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Turn-ons that ethically terrify you - 9/5/2008 7:04:24 PM   
Ialdabaoth


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Status: offline 		So, I keep mulling over in my head what my system of ethics should be. The thing is, anything I do to be a "good" person, will not satisfy my kinks - they are mutually exclusive. I'm willing to entertain the idea that they aren't, but so far, the probability has been experimentally verified to be very, very low.

I think double/quadruple amputees are hot - especially when they're helpless and begging to be let go. I think consent is a huge turn-off. I think things that the ToS policy regarding age of consent does not permit me to mention. I think that most super-pretty preppy girls walk around deliberately marketing themselves as sexual objects, and they need to be reminded that objects don't get to make choices on how they're used. I want to rape people nearly to death; I want to cut off the extremities of girls who are most proud of their own bodies and feed them to them. I want to

And then I think that everyone should be treated with respect; that every person must be negotiated with; that everyone has the right to be happy. And so I've found myself involved in BDSM over the past 15 years, because it's the closest thing to what I actually emotionally need that I can allow myself to partake of. But when my actual happiness is directly contingent on the real and soul-deep unhappiness of my victims, where does that put me, ethically?
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RE: Turn-ons that ethically terrify you - 9/5/2008 7:07:59 PM   
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RE: Turn-ons that ethically terrify you - 9/5/2008 7:09:52 PM   
Ialdabaoth


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Status: offline 		I have. They are both horrifyingly pretend, which makes the whole thing disgusting enough to push me into a blind rage.

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RE: Turn-ons that ethically terrify you - 9/5/2008 7:18:31 PM   
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And then I think that everyone should be treated with respect; that every person must be negotiated with; that everyone has the right to be happy. And so I've found myself involved in BDSM over the past 15 years, because it's the closest thing to what I actually emotionally need that I can allow myself to partake of. But when my actual happiness is directly contingent on the real and soul-deep unhappiness of my victims, where does that put me, ethically?



And that is one of the issues which a person has to struggle with; caving in to one's baser desires or try to ignore these desires or struggle to find a satisfactory medium between the two. I think many of us at one point or another acknowledge that we want to indulge in baser desires which are against TOS and/or what the general population finds acceptable activities.
I really can't hazard an opinion on your own ethics as that is something which only you can determine where you stand. Myself I struggle with my own moral ethics at times as they do get conflicted in many activities I engage in. This is so apparent when my morals are fairly lenient and I do have a greater tolerance towards people who think and live outside convention.


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RE: Turn-ons that ethically terrify you - 9/5/2008 7:25:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I don't quite share THOSE turn-ons, but you're not the only person with illegal and presumably immoral fantasies.  (I'm pretty sure that if slavery were legal in our society, I'd be a freaking marketeer.)  But thoughts and fantasies don't matter much; people are judged by how they act.  Yeah, I know, that's not a very Christian point of view, but I'm not a Christian.

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I think double/quadruple amputees are hot - especially when they're helpless and begging to be let go. I think consent is a huge turn-off. I think things that the ToS policy regarding age of consent does not permit me to mention. I think that most super-pretty preppy girls walk around deliberately marketing themselves as sexual objects, and they need to be reminded that objects don't get to make choices on how they're used. I want to rape people nearly to death; I want to cut off the extremities of girls who are most proud of their own bodies and feed them to them.

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RE: Turn-ons that ethically terrify you - 9/5/2008 7:29:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Have you heard the term, or perhaps I have made it up along the way, consentual nonconsent?  My looks around have found these folks hard to come by.  Basically, as I understand it, this would be a M/s situation in which consent is given up front knowing full well what will be expected and subsequently having no further withdraw of consent granted, except that of ending the relationship.  It is legally volitile, and I personally would not do this on either end of the agreement. Finding such a person, however, may allow you to live within your ethics and honestly deal with your own desires.

I am sure others can fill in the blanks of my understanding of such a dynamic.  I truly am not that familiar with it.  Like I said, it is a HUGE legal gamble, not to mention the small pool of candidates I would suspect that could actually handle what you are asking.  I don't know if this is at all helpful, but best wishes on your search.

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RE: Turn-ons that ethically terrify you - 9/5/2008 7:29:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, the problem is that these aren't so much fantasies as obsessions - and they're the kinds of obsessions that tends to lead to having one's self-agency taken away if one seeks help regarding them, even if one has never actually acted on any of them.

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RE: Turn-ons that ethically terrify you - 9/5/2008 7:32:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		That's hard.  Have you talked to a shrink?

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RE: Turn-ons that ethically terrify you - 9/5/2008 7:37:31 PM   
Ialdabaoth


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Status: offline 		Once or twice. I stopped once I realized that if I kept going, I might likely be placed under involuntary observation - for nothing more than desires.


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RE: Turn-ons that ethically terrify you - 9/5/2008 7:43:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		In order to have you involuntarily committed the therapist would have to believe you intend to do immediate harm to yourself or someone else.  You are free to have all the so called "messed up" desires you want with no fear of such measures.  First of all, your therapist should definately be kink aware.  Second, know your mental health law beforehand.  Know your rights and keep your boundaries to protect said rights even in therapeutic sessions.

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RE: Turn-ons that ethically terrify you - 9/5/2008 8:00:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		i sympathize with your dark desires, and completely understand where you are coming from.

your best bet is, as stated above, a woman who can practice "consentual non-consent" with you....and make it seem real enough to be exciting. it IS possible. i've had it.

also, one who looks extremely young for her age might do the trick (think cute, petite asian).


feel free to message me on the other side. i get it.

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RE: Turn-ons that ethically terrify you - 9/5/2008 8:06:42 PM   
Ialdabaoth


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Status: offline 		Consentual non-consent has been a HUGE area of exploration for me. Unfortunately, I've come to realize that consent of any kind can be revoked at any time, and the other party has nothing they can do about it - at which point, it becomes truly unethical behavior. And sometimes, there's no way to tell.

All the same, I desperately wish I could simply hold up all my artwork, and say "I need raw materials to build this out of. Care to be this center part here? I promise it'll be sterile, as medically safe as possible, and utterly, totally terrifying."

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RE: Turn-ons that ethically terrify you - 9/5/2008 8:12:37 PM   
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you should have been a surgeon.

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RE: Turn-ons that ethically terrify you - 9/5/2008 8:14:35 PM   
Ialdabaoth


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Status: offline 		Well, I'm back in school now - I'm currently doing Philosophy, but I have many directions I could go. I actually do intend to acquire the skills to perform such procedures properly, if not the licensing.

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RE: Turn-ons that ethically terrify you - 9/5/2008 8:16:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		i think you are venturing into the wrong field.....

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RE: Turn-ons that ethically terrify you - 9/5/2008 8:17:03 PM   
Ialdabaoth


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Status: offline 		entirely possible - but I have to get the ethics out of the way before I can concentrate on pragmatics. As people have said in other threads, I think too damn much. ;)



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RE: Turn-ons that ethically terrify you - 9/5/2008 8:21:21 PM   
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Well, the problem is that these aren't so much fantasies as obsessions



That's even worse - I second Lam. You need to talk to a specialist.

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RE: Turn-ons that ethically terrify you - 9/5/2008 8:23:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry dude.. there is no way to get around the ethics. Keep a reign on it because if you act on what turns you on, without consent, it makes you a monster, not a master.

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RE: Turn-ons that ethically terrify you - 9/5/2008 8:25:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sublimation is the term for a coping mechanism in which a certain "dark" or "inappropriate" desire is redirected into a more socially and morally acceptable arena.  Many who experience such desires as yours go into intensive medical fields.  Some of the most common are surgery and psychiatry oddly enough.

As for consentual nonconsent, the partner would have to be just right.  A good fit is not going to fall in your lap overnight.  This would be a person who is not letigious, for one, and can live with there only being one out available.  That being the end of the relationship.  Most people want to be able to call it quits somewhere between all and nothing, but it sounds like that is exactly what you need.  Do not settle because it is not going to satisfy.

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RE: Turn-ons that ethically terrify you - 9/5/2008 8:28:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's not much of a consolation but you're not the only one who wants these kinds of things.  Many of which are not open for discussion here.  One post I made with a semi-joking refrence to some of my interests disappeared within an hour.

It is however good to see someone else at least bring up these kinds of things.

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