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RE: what do you look for - 9/7/2008 8:41:25 AM   
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What do you look for exactly in a Dom/me? I think that's a fair question but let Me take it one step farther and ask what is a hard limit must not do?
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RE: what do you look for - 9/7/2008 9:24:36 AM   
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My hard limits in a dom?   -  bad hygiene,
bad social skills,
extremely over or under-weight,
chronic illnesses (don't want to deal with it),
long distance relationships- i want my dom to be able to hug or spank me daily if wanted
minor children
stupidity/ignorance
and
chickens.

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RE: what do you look for - 9/7/2008 10:08:20 AM   
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chickens? - is it all that pecking and scratching they do or do you just have a thing about chickens generally.  i have a thing about turkeys myself, its the gobbling..

as for Doms, probably getting assumptive way too soon, sends me in the opposite direction.



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what do you look for ( long post ) - 9/7/2008 10:09:25 AM   
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The List of Ten
Character Traits I strive to live by and how they are manifested in the person I seek to submit to.   
(originally written 2001, not in any set order, not specific to any gender)

1. Secure with self.
He has be comfortable with who He is, His dominance, and His position. He should not be worried, jealous or fearful of my friends, past relationships, or vanilla life. He should be able to admit His faults, shortcomings, and ignorance of given things. He should be secure enough in his self to say He is sorry if He has made a mistake, and then move past it. He should be able to laugh at his self and appreciate when the laugh is on Him.  He should be secure enough to live his life his way, not worried about image or what other think, but without the need to ‘prove a point’ or feel his needs supersedes the needs of others.

2. Integrity
The Master i seek to serve needs to be of high standards. i seek to live a life of quality and desire guidance and control from a Master who has standards even above my level. i seek a Master whose word is trusted and accepted by family, friends, and co-workers. He should follow the adage of “say what you mean and mean what you say.” He is reliable and you know you can depend on him. He should seek to always do right by His fellow man and live to the highest standards possible. His description should read like the Boy Scout code: Honesty, trustworthiness, helpful, kind, considerate, and so on.  Integrity is also being honorable and doing the right thing. Standing up for your convictions and for those close to you and being willing to protect and defend your point of view, your self, your love ones, your household, your property. i seek a Master who will expect and demand a high standard of integrity from their submissive(s).
 
3. Honesty
This should be a given and is closely connected to integrity. Without honesty there will be no trust. If a Master is not honest about little daily things in His dealings with the slave or with others in His life, He will not be trusted in larger things. Honesty is the base from which a relationship grows and flourishes and trust is established. To extend a relationship to incorporate a Master/slave bond - trust is paramount. To extend the Master/slave relationship to include BDSM (especially any edge play) - trust is absolutely essential. If a Master is currently in a relationship they must be open and honest with their partner concerning my involvement, if they dishonest to their current partner, then I can only conclude they will be dishonest with me at some point also.
 
4. Self-management and stable
There is a song with a verse,” If he can’t run his own life, i’ll be damn if he’ll run mine!” This fits this trait so well. For me to feel confident in turning over control of all aspect of my life to someone, there needs to be a level of security and the knowledge He can manage my life in addition to His own. The Master should also be emotionally stable. There are times we all deal with issues in our lives and i am a very supportive person, but would want to at least start out knowing the one in charge of my life has dealt with His past, His issues and His needs and He is a stable person. He should not be burdened with a need for drugs or alcohol.
 
5. Experience and seriousness
This lifestyle is not a choice, or a game, a fling, or a curiosity for me. i view this lifestyle as more of an orientation then a choice. The Master should have at least a base level of experience so that He also is sure that this is the lifestyle He wants. i am not looking for a ‘bedroom’ Dom, but for the Total Power Exchange, the Master who can, and will, control all (total) areas of the relationship. This is not to be taken lightly. This is in reference to the M/s relationship itself and not to BDSM techniques. Techniques are learned, developed and improved on throughout the Master’s life. This is about knowing and embracing the lifestyle in general and being confident this is a lifestyle orientation that will endure.  TPE, for me, does not mean micro-managed in ever little area but that the authority will be theirs, so they need to understand what that will involve, the time and effort it takes to be a Master full time, and not just be dominant only during play or sex.
 
6. Family/friends/Vanilla/lifestyle balance
In this lifestyle we live in a dual world. The mindset and bond of the Master and slave is presence at all time, however, behavior and functions are often vanilla in appearance. This is not easily done and takes dedication and a strong desire to balance these together. Establishing an environment that integrates community activities, social contacts, vocational obligations, faith observance, and family time assure that the whole person is healthy and functioning. Having friends in the lifestyle also enhances the relationship. Theses all need to be balanced under the primary acceptance of the Master/slave relationship. These outside factors are indeed needed and part of our whole being, but should never hinder nor interfere with the basic Master/slave unity.
 
 
7. Intellectual
i value the education of the mind and improvement of the intellect on an on going base. i seek to continue my intellectual improvement though reading, programs, education, and cultural exposure. The Master i seek should likewise value education and self-improvement. i do believe that a relationship functions better when there is a shared level of intelligence and education. Education comes in many forms, from the formal academic to life experiences, but the results are the improvement of the mind and the ability to relate to a variety of subjects and situations.

8. Adventuresome/Active
i am an active person, i love an adventure and there is little hesitation to try new things. Life is an adventure and i enjoy all it has to offer. i would rather be out playing a sport then watching it. The Master i seek should also be active and appreciate life’s offerings. It is important to have common activities but also for each to have their own pursuits, hobbies and vanilla activities. These outside activities helps to make each a well rounded persons and therefore more intriguing and interesting to the other person.  The Master I seek should value, encourage and facilitate my participation in common interests and in my own.

9. Sexual attraction
With the desire to spend my life with someone and wanting to give my entirety to the Master i need to include the sexual/physical attraction. There should be sexual chemistry between the Master and slave. Having the physical/sexual attraction to the Master, and vice a versa, means the difference between having an intimate and loving aspect to sexual activities or a duty and chore to be endured. There should be an attraction and desire toward the other person, an excitement felt from being with the other person.
10. Humor
Life can be downright funny at time. There are too many things in life to enjoy and laughter fills my life. i do not want that aspect of my life to change, nor do i think i could change that part of myself. A quick wit, ability to spin a yarn, puns needing to be punished, satire and parodies allow for a mental break from the daily seriousness we live and function in. Humor is large part of my life and i seek the Master who appreciates my ability to see the lighter side of life and understands the difference between humor and disrespect.

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RE: what do you look for - 9/7/2008 10:24:52 AM   
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Is that absolutely NO chickens?  Not even little cute ones? ;-)

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My hard limits in a dom?  
........................    chickens.

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RE: what do you look for - 9/7/2008 10:44:24 AM   
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  What I looked for:
  Honesty, someone I would date in a non-bdsm context, someone local, about my age, and cute.

What were deal-breakers: liars, smokers, people who were crazy, men who were just looking to satisfy their fetishes (yes, even us submissives are afflicted with them).

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RE: what do you look for ( long post ) - 9/7/2008 11:32:05 AM   
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goodpet ... kudos ... that's one of the best write-ups I've ever seen.  I guess, if orig written in 2001, you've had time to tweak it tightly.  I've been saying (and endeavoring to live up to) similar aspirations over the last 3 decades but you've put it succinctly. 

I can only argue, (I have no doubt you will disagree) that, though many subs & slaves might agree with you in theory ... they don't usually choose such Doms.  Because as soon as you choose a Dom with a steady job, not an alkie or druggie, one with integrity & not telling you lies or cheating on you, and one that lets you keep in touch w/ other friends & family ... you've completely eliminated the "bad boys" & abusers that women actually choose.  If it weren't the case, the jerks & assholes on this board wouldn't still be here because they wouldn't be succeeding.

So ... it's easy to SAY you want these things in a Dom ... but if it were generally true, the few such Doms here who have these qualities should be swarmed with subs and slaves clamoring for attention ... just as the female subs/slaves complain about.  It just ain't so.

Even the subs I've parted with, would all agree that I embody 99.4375% of these qualities (I ain't perfect.) ... but though I endeavor to always act with integrity & high standards, it doesn't interest anyone. 

As an alternative to your write-up ... this is what I have seen to be more in line with reality ... more in line with what women actually choose:

1. Secure with self.
He has the appearance ... the braggadocio ... of being confident & in control but this is merely a facade for his insecurity and self-doubt evidenced by his jealousy and capricious demands for service and attention.  In a semi-public 'play' scene, he thinks more of how he appears to other Doms (or potential additions to his harem) than to the condition or state of the sub he is actually playing.  He won't admit to mistakes and blames any failures on his sub, co-workers, boss, the bad cup of coffee his sub made this morning, the clouds, the dog, that large fly over there ... etc.

2. Integrity
He makes a lot of promises but might be hard to pin down on specifics.  He says what he means, and means what he says, unless an alternative comes along.  You can depend on him to come home ... eventually.  He can be depended upon to 'do the right thing' if it's in his interest and it's convenient and he's in the mood.  He'll defend your point of view, as long as it agrees with his.  He'll expect his sub to maintain a higher level of integrity than he aspires to ... he has to depend on somebody!
 
3. Honesty
He will be as honest as he can get away with.  If you aren't comfortable with his seeing other women, then that's the sub's deficiency, she IS the sub afterall.  It's perfectly alright for the Dom to get to know other subs & slaves, whereas any sub who talks to another Dom obviously can't be trusted.  Get me another beer ... and put an ad on Collarme for a sister slave while you are at it (& give my your password so I can read all the responses).
 
4. Self-management and stable
The sub should either have a steady job, have an inheritance or start hooking to raise some money when the Dom is between jobs, or can't hold a job due to drinking, drugs or when he just doesn't feel like working.
 
5. Experience and seriousness
It is important for the Dom to learn the jargon of BdSm so he can put up the appearance of knowing what he is doing.  He is not expected to actually know the physiological limits of body tissues, first aid, CPR, quick ways to get out of bondage, etc.
What he doesn't know, he'll learn by trial and error method after you are properly trussed up.  And if he makes a "mistake", it's just because the sub isn't relaxed enough.  She should figure out how to elevate her own endorphins so she can get into subspace to endure what he's read about in his latest porn.
 
6. Family/friends/Vanilla/lifestyle balance
Every Dominant knows that he is right ... so he doesn't want his sub to talk to anyone who might put wrong ideas into her head.  The relatives, friends & coworkers are the real troublemakers that break up a happy BdSm home and they should not be allowed.  The only exceptions are cute children the sub has ... who really need to be trained as proper subs as well.
 
7. Intellectual
The Dom should always be 1) the smartest person in the household or 2) should be deferred to as if he were the smartest person in the household.  The intelligent sub is not appreciated and should either keep her big yap shut, or the true superiority of the Dom should be beaten into her.

8. Adventuresome/Active
The sub should be active and energetic ... whether that be cutting the lawn, getting a cold beer, or making the meals.  Furthermore, she should keep the brats quiet, or somebody's gonna get hit.

9. Sexual attraction
There are 2 variations here:
A) The Dom should comb his hair, wear a nice aftershave & clean clothes & court the sub with flowers & chocolate & fun dates til she accepts 1) his collar, 2) marriage, 3) she's stuck w/ their kid.  Thereafter, she should suck his dick and take it up the ass whenever he says.  And do my buddy here, too.
B) IF the sub clearly prefers the 'bad boy' ... then none of the above applies ... til the word 'thereafter'
Furthermore, it's the SUB who should be attractive ... attractive enough to attract more bi subs into the harem ... attractive enough for both of them ... because it's perfectly fine for the Dom to get fat(ter).

10. Humor
It's funny if the Dom thinks it's funny.  If it could be inferred (he won't know that word) that a joke is at his expense, that he looks foolish, that he has made a silly error, that is NOT funny & I'll slap that silly grin right off of your face.

So ... that's what I've SEEN women choosing ... and research shows MANY women make exactly those choices ... especially when menstruating.  The only time they think they want the 'nice guys' is when they are not menstruating ... but they don't act on impulses as much then.




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RE: what do you look for ( long post ) - 9/7/2008 1:24:41 PM   
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Compatibility was important.

Lack of compatibility was a hard limit.

(I'm only being halfway flippant)

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RE: what do you look for - 9/7/2008 1:34:08 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: CuddlySadist

Is that absolutely NO chickens?  Not even little cute ones? ;-)

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ORIGINAL: kiwisub12
My hard limits in a dom?  
........................    chickens.




cute little ones may be ok - but they have a tendancy to grow up into stupid birds.  I don't want to take care of them, i don't want to feed them, i don't want to clean up after them -
i don't want them in a box
i don't want them with a fox
i don't want them unless they are dressed , ready to roast!
*kiwi ,who had to feed chickens as a kid*

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RE: what do you look for - 9/7/2008 2:03:49 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: NazjamRa

What do you look for exactly in a Dom/me? I think that's a fair question but let Me take it one step farther and ask what is a hard limit must not do?


Initially?
 
He must display wit -- from that I can infer many good things about him.
 
He must not lie.  Ditto, in reverse.
 
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RE: what do you look for - 9/7/2008 3:41:54 PM   
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Live chickens are disgusting. Horrible things that never go easily back into the roost, and they attack when you try to collect eggs. Another person scarred by chicken encounters in her youth.

Hard limits: bloodletting, forced body mods, duct tape on skin (don't ask), not being there for his minors. I absolutely despise men who have no relation with their minors, don't pay support, and do nothing but complain about how their ex turned them against them. No such thing, they can tell themselves lip service from caring. Caring parents show up for games, know who their best friends are, go to parent-teacher conferences.

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RE: what do you look for - 9/7/2008 3:49:24 PM   
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Live chickens are disgusting. Horrible things that never go easily back into the roost, and they attack when you try to collect eggs. Another person scarred by chicken encounters in her youth.



Dead chickens are no aesthetically pleasing vista of wildebeest sweeping majestically over the plain, neither.

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RE: what do you look for - 9/7/2008 4:09:17 PM   
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He has to be hot.  He has to have nasty kinks that mesh with mine.  He has to have a sense of humor and has to understand my sarcastic nature.  He has to be successful, confident and cocky.  He has to want to like me and has to be interested in what's in my head...what makes me tick.  He has to allow me the ability to try to figure out what makes him tick.  A plus if he smokes cuban cigars and likes Jack and Cokes.  He has to be tall.  Cheap bastards are a turn off.  He has to be able to turn me on mentally just as well as physically.  He can't be all mushy and romantic, but he has to care about me on some level.  He has to be someone that I enjoy on a friend level also. 



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RE: what do you look for ( long post ) - 9/7/2008 6:47:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: CuddlySadist
goodpet ... kudos ... that's one of the best write-ups I've ever seen.  I guess, if orig written in 2001, you've had time to tweak it tightly. 

Thank you, and yes i have tweaked it slightly in the last 7 years.

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I can only argue, (I have no doubt you will disagree) that, though many subs & slaves might agree with you in theory ... they don't usually choose such Doms... 
Sadly many don't hold out,  as for me.. Well it took a long time, but i held to my own standard and waited, prepared myself, and waited.. I lived in SC and there are many, very many, Doms of this standard... however.... they all seemed to be taken. So 4 years ago i moved to the DC area to be in a larger market, yes i was on the market for a Master.  As of now, i have been collared for 2 1/2 years to a Master who embodies all of these qualities. We have bought a house together and i am very happy. Perfect person or Dom?  no.. neither am I of course..  So some of us do wait and look until we do find the ones with standards.. 

I do agree with you that too many have the newbie urge and jump right in to the first Dominant relationship they find.. and it seldom lasts long.  It is hard for most to wait years looking for the right one.

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... but if it were generally true, the few such Doms here who have these qualities should be swarmed with subs and slaves clamoring for attention ... just as the female subs/slaves complain about.  It just ain't so.
   there is more to the search then being on here. meeting face to face, having  a real life reputation, and finding someone through networking seems to value high standards.

quote:

Even the subs I've parted with, would all agree that I embody 99.4375% of these qualities (I ain't perfect.) ... but though I endeavor to always act with integrity & high standards, it doesn't interest anyone. 

Well it does take more then JUST integrity and high standards.. common interests, activity level, intelligence, sexual attraction, humor... and it's true that you may have those but your kind or style or level might not be what she (or he) wants..



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RE: what do you look for - 9/7/2008 6:54:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NumberSix


Dead chickens are no aesthetically pleasing vista of wildebeest sweeping majestically over the plain, neither.

6  


Coq au vin is a very aesthetically pleasing vista. As is a perfectly fried one served with biscuits. Or grilled in a lemon and olive oil marinade. Dead chickens in a good recipe are very attractive to look at.

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RE: what do you look for - 9/8/2008 11:12:53 AM   
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In a Dom I look for:
Honesty
Integrity
Intellegence
Sense of humor
Non Sadistic
non judgmental

Hard limits the ones that match with mine.  Kids, scat, animals, fire/needle play, blood.watersports.

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RE: what do you look for - 9/8/2008 12:35:55 PM   
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Chemistry! And i loved the chickens i used to feed as a kid i'd love some now but not allowed any.

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RE: what do you look for ( long post ) - 9/8/2008 2:45:58 PM   
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there is more to the search then being on here. meeting face to face, having  a real life reputation, and finding someone through networking seems to value high standards.

No argument there.  I was very active in the public scene w/ the last several subs and slave.  But upon parting on exellent terms, I've been high & dry w/o a slave since.  WHEN I had 1 slave & 2 subs, I had more wanting to join us all the time.  But I don't go to play parties stag.  Why should I?  I'm not gonna stand around & watch others play, and I certainly won't hit on someone else's sub.  And I'm not going to join a gaggle of Doms fawning over the only sub under 450#.

10 yrs ago the local & area play clubs had good leadership but they've fallen to stage-struck control freaks with half the experience and less integrity.  I won't support such groups.  And though I've been prompted to take control of a couple, my ego doesn't need the constant massage of a group.  I've started 2 groups over the years, but I certainly wouldn't presume to do so as a single Dom ... that's just trolling!  Besides, this town already has 20+ groups ... all fragmented off of earlier groups by folks pissed off at other groups.  There is no sense in creating another group and the local leaders prefer to be rivals rather than unifiers.

And, over the years, few of the folks who know of my reputation are still in the public scene.

I'd be pleased to have a referral ... but when was the last time you met a Dom/me who would refer a sub or slave to another?  I had one Dom say he had found the perfect sub for me ... but he was gonna filter her over his dick first to make sure she was good enough.  Invariably, every one of his relationships ended in pissed off subs ... he never had any who would talk to him, let alone take his referral suggestions.  Folks are shocked when I refer a sub to someone with whom she'd be more compatible.  And subs don't refer subs for pretty much the same reason. 

One sub who remembers knowing me and my subs (from club parties) invited me to speak to a group of 45 subs/slaves in January ... but she had a falling out with them, didn't tell 'em I was coming, didn't tell me, and I drove 300 miles to be told they already had a full program. 

It's impossible to mix BdSm with my work, and I don't hang out in bars.  And, I recognize that many subs (fairly or unfairly) are uninterested in someone of my age.  But there's certainly nothing wrong with having that personal preference. 

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Well it does take more then JUST integrity and high standards.. common interests, activity level, intelligence, sexual attraction, humor... and it's true that you may have those but your kind or style or level might not be what she (or he) wants..

Absolutely, and it's amazing how few subs actually try to get to know the Dom ... more are interested in what type of BdSm play they do, what toys they have, etc.  Most naive Doms & subs decide on a match based upon groin energy rather than what will matter 24/7/365/20 yrs ... common interests & compatibility.  But trying to find out about mutual interests is like pulling teeth.  Without a doubt, I play at a much heavier level, without being an abuser, than many Doms.  That's why I'm up-front & endeavor to be as forthright as I can about what is important in a relationship & what I'm like ... on all levels.

OTOH, I've had several of the foremost subs & slaves over my years ... better than most Doms could hope for.  Maybe I've had more than my share ... ain't no more for me :-)  I can live with that ... better than lowering my standards and regretting it.

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RE: what do you look for - 9/8/2008 2:54:07 PM   
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Chemistry! And i loved the chickens i used to feed as a kid i'd love some now but not allowed any.



ok - michelle - you are officially a sick puppy.  chickens

now, ducks on the other hand, i would go for.

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RE: what do you look for - 9/8/2008 6:21:25 PM   
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They are both good grilled, baked or fried.


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