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RE: Hadron Collider - 9/10/2008 2:37:28 AM

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Hey scooter you look different.
Have you been approaching the speed of light on your Harley ?

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RE: Hadron Collider - 9/10/2008 5:37:57 AM

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Well, they switched it on a few hours ago.... we're still here...

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RE: Hadron Collider - 9/10/2008 5:39:10 AM

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Well, they switched it on a few hours ago.... we're still here...

(eye roll)

No, we just think we're still here. I could have swore I saw Elvis this morning!

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RE: Hadron Collider - 9/10/2008 5:55:38 AM

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With potential catastrophic possibilities with these experiments, perhaps it would be better for all of us if they were kept secret. If they work, then reveal the results after the fact. If things go apeshit and no one knows what experiment is going on, then at least then we can blame the military for it, as it is with them they keep their projects secret.

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RE: Hadron Collider - 9/10/2008 6:14:20 AM

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Well, that is the story they tell. I am not sure how many folks believe it. Those things are white, not like any deer I have seen anywhere.

See, I believe the govt. covers stuff up. This is one of those cases. In my opinion.

There is a farm that has a large herd of white deer, its somewhere around Barrington (I think thats the towns name?) close to Mt Pleasant. I've a friend that lives down the road from the farm and he has told me about how stupid kids try and sneak in to shoot them at night because they're so easy to see.

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RE: Hadron Collider - 9/10/2008 6:18:16 AM

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Actually...I think they only ran one proton beam this morning just to see if they could get it up to speed. They will run two at a later date, in opposite directions to collide them. That's when the fun may start.
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RE: Hadron Collider - 9/10/2008 6:42:31 AM

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Oh wow! We studied this project a bit my final year of college when discussing String theory. This could change the world!

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That's what they always say before they get *our money* for it.
But, it won't.
It won't change the world.
They'll be saying TEN YEARS from now, "we're still studying it!"
"Nothing yet!"
"We need *more* of "your money!"
"We *think* we *saw something!*
If we only had another $6 Billion of *your money*."
"Results look *promising*"
Scientists will have secure 30 year careers looking for,.....something that they'll never find.
"We're *still* looking at it, more money please!

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RE: Hadron Collider - 9/10/2008 7:00:10 AM

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RE: Hadron Collider - 9/10/2008 7:11:59 AM

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That should be amended to ' Not Yet '

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RE: Hadron Collider - 9/10/2008 7:13:00 AM

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Actually...I think they only ran one proton beam this morning just to see if they could get it up to speed. They will run two at a later date, in opposite directions to collide them. That's when the fun may start.
(eye roll)

So, I suppose that third breast would be the result of Pilates then hmmm?

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RE: Hadron Collider - 9/10/2008 8:18:14 AM

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Update;
Large Hadron Collider is activated By Roger Highfield, Science Editor

Last Updated: 9:01am BST 10/09/2008

Scientists have switched on the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), the device they hope will unravel some of the remaining mysteries of the universe.
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For those who have yet to see it, Google has changed their logo to mark this occasion.

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RE: Hadron Collider - 9/10/2008 8:21:34 AM

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They'll be milking this for 30 years.

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RE: Hadron Collider - 9/10/2008 8:23:34 AM

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That's probably how long it'll take before a measurable collision takes place. ;-)

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RE: Hadron Collider - 9/10/2008 8:26:27 AM

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Update;
Large Hadron Collider is activated By Roger Highfield, Science Editor

Last Updated: 9:01am BST 10/09/2008

Scientists have switched on the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), the device they hope will unravel some of the remaining mysteries of the universe.
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For those who have yet to see it, Google has changed their logo to mark this occasion.

thats cool :)

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RE: Hadron Collider - 9/10/2008 8:48:52 AM

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Ok, I got this joke sent to me the other day by a friend who is a scientist ;

Suicide bombers have stormed the new CERN particle accelerator. If demands are not met they will be forced to let the experiment proceed !

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RE: Hadron Collider - 9/10/2008 8:50:41 AM

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some people are worried about how much money this will cost. well i have to pay taxes regardless so i would much rather see my money going to science than the military industrial complex. this way man learns something instead of making the ceos of boeing and brown and root richer.

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RE: Hadron Collider - 9/10/2008 10:37:33 AM

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The experiment doesnt get up to full power for about 18 months.
What we are getting now is typical media bullshit.

I am old enough to remember ZETA.
It was going to solve the worlds energy needs by harnessing thermonuclear reactions, ie fusion, in a plasma donut.

One minor problem cropped up.....it didnt work....oops.
The plasma could not be stabilised/contained within the magnetic fields designed to contain it.

I make a prediction and it will save zillions.
Science will NEVER unravel the ultimate mysteries of the origin of the Universe or Life.

What we need is more technologists able to create useful things and fewer dreamy scientists willing to waste billions of dollars/pounds/francs and marks.

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RE: Hadron Collider - 9/10/2008 10:39:05 AM

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Oh wow! We studied this project a bit my final year of college when discussing String theory. This could change the world!

Daddy's Ballerina, e

That's what they always say before they get *our money* for it.
But, it won't.
It won't change the world.
They'll be saying TEN YEARS from now, "we're still studying it!"
"Nothing yet!"
"We need *more* of "your money!"
"We *think* we *saw something!*
If we only had another $6 Billion of *your money*."
"Results look *promising*"
Scientists will have secure 30 year careers looking for,.....something that they'll never find.
"We're *still* looking at it, more money please!

.....do you really see no value at all in pure research?

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RE: Hadron Collider - 9/10/2008 11:02:27 AM

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The experiment doesnt get up to full power for about 18 months.
What we are getting now is typical media bullshit.

I am old enough to remember ZETA.
It was going to solve the worlds energy needs by harnessing thermonuclear reactions, ie fusion, in a plasma donut.

One minor problem cropped up.....it didnt work....oops.
The plasma could not be stabilised/contained within the magnetic fields designed to contain it.

I make a prediction and it will save zillions.
Science will NEVER unravel the ultimate mysteries of the origin of the Universe or Life.

What we need is more technologists able to create useful things and fewer dreamy scientists willing to waste billions of dollars/pounds/francs and marks.

Um, ZETA (Zero Energy Thermonuclear Assembly) was a test facility for creating fusion using an electric current in a plasma to create a magnetic field for confinement. It actually worked very well and similar devices (now commonly referred to as "pinch" devices [and prominently featured in the Ocean's Eleven remake]) are used today at places like Sandia Laboratories. In fact there are a wide variety of devices that create nuclear fusion. The goal that has yet to be realized is a net positive energy fusion device, that is a process that outputs more energy than is input so that fusion can be used to generate power.

I'd say your assertion that your prediction will save zillions is rather poorly supported. Why should we believe you? What evidence do you provide? Is there a test that would falsify your prediction and therefore allow us to perform an experiment to increase our confidence in it?

The idea that technology can move forward without pure science is crazy. The formulas engineers learn at engineering school don't come from nowhere. Science has to be done to know how nature is going to behave so the engineers can reliably design technology. But in the end saying that science for its own sake is worthless is tantamount to saying life is worthless. Do you only exist to do things to perpetuate your own existence? Or do you have some other purpose?

As to wasting money, the LHC's total cost is equal to about a month of the war in Iraq. Which do you think is more likely to have a lasting positive impact on the world? Let us imagine that four hundred years ago Newton had turned away from investigating the totally impractical nature of motion spawned by his interests in planetary motion and done something more practical, where would we be? If Newton had not had his annus mirabilis in 1666 what would the world look like? Of course, far more was spent that year on the Second Anglo-Dutch war... that was a lasting battle for good, right? I mean it had a lot of lasting effects like ... nothing!

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RE: Hadron Collider - 9/10/2008 11:04:01 AM

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Phil, there's nothing "wrong" with research.
I just don't think the Taxpayers should be fleeced for it is all.
Every uni in the country is getting Taxpayer dollars for some type of "research".
How about they go into the "D.P.S." (dreaded private sector) and look for money.
At what point does it become "not government's business" to be spending our money? There has to be limits!
Just because someone says; "it's for science" doesn't mean they should rubber stamp it!
There has to be a threshold!
You're from Europe so this may seem "foreign" to you but in the U.S. "the government" has no money!
Not one penny!
Everything they appropriate comes from "The People's Money."
And if they budget *our money* the way they should be doing then any money leftover should be returned to,...The People to whom it rightfully belongs!
But, that never seems to happen because there's thousands of "programs" to suck that money up!
And if someone wants to do "research" then go right ahead!
But, they shouldn't expect a blank check provided to them by "The People."
So remember, "The U.S. govt. has no money."

P.S. I'd like to conduct some "experiments" and get paid for it too!
What do you think (my) chances are?

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