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bestbabync -> RE: Palins church. (9/9/2008 6:04:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lronitulstahp quote: ORIGINAL: bestbabync quote: ORIGINAL: lronitulstahp So suffice it to say you wouldn't vote for a candidate that supported the death penalty, or who was opposed to stricter gun laws....right? if i had my preference i rather the federal government not legislate, right. give our rights back to the states, yes. So are you saying you support the death penalty on the state level? i am trying to get a clear picture here. i'm not sure where the disconnect between "gasping babies", and sometimes "gasping innocent, or mentally ill or retarded person" happens. If people think life begins at conception, where does it become less valuable...18? life is always valuable. taking a life is not the same as giving ones life for a cause they believe in.

lronitulstahp -> RE: Palins church. (9/9/2008 6:05:11 PM)
Or, why would a politician want to force an unprepared woman to have a child, but not want to pass legislation that would enable the child to have medical, food, and financial assistance provided by tax dollars that seemingly have no limit when funding wars or bankruptcy help for failed businesses with billionaire CEO's?

SummerWind -> RE: Palins church. (9/9/2008 6:08:04 PM)
Yawwwnn.....I couldn't give a shit less if/how anyone chooses to believe in a higher power. If I determine that any politician is truly for shrinking government, spending less of my money and not support laws limiting my freedom than I usually vote for them. Whatever invisible power they believe in and how they choose to worship that power is irrelevant to me.....

bestbabync -> RE: Palins church. (9/9/2008 6:08:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lronitulstahp Or, why would a politician want to force an unprepared woman to have a child, but not want to pass legislation that would enable the child to have medical, food, and financial assistance provided by tax dollars that seemingly have no limit when funding wars or bankruptcy help for failed businesses with billionaire CEO's? i am not saying that a woman should be forced to have a child she is not prepared for. we are right back to where we started.

Thadius -> RE: Palins church. (9/9/2008 6:08:30 PM)
Or why would politicians take away those funds from a low income household if the husband is still living in the house with his wife and the child?

lronitulstahp -> RE: Palins church. (9/9/2008 6:08:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bestbabync quote: ORIGINAL: lronitulstahp quote: ORIGINAL: bestbabync quote: ORIGINAL: lronitulstahp So suffice it to say you wouldn't vote for a candidate that supported the death penalty, or who was opposed to stricter gun laws....right? if i had my preference i rather the federal government not legislate, right. give our rights back to the states, yes. So are you saying you support the death penalty on the state level? i am trying to get a clear picture here. i'm not sure where the disconnect between "gasping babies", and sometimes "gasping innocent, or mentally ill or retarded person" happens. If people think life begins at conception, where does it become less valuable...18? life is always valuable. taking a life is not the same as giving ones life for a cause they believe in. Huh? Please re-read my post, i think you thought i was talking about innocent, menatlly, ill and retarded "soldiers"... But speaking of 'causes', most servicemen i know in Iraq and Afgahnistan believed in the cause of "putting food on the table, and perhaps earning a college degree someday". This however has nothing to do with the Pentocostal Palin thread, so i'll leave that alone. Back to topic....

lronitulstahp -> RE: Palins church. (9/9/2008 6:11:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Thadius Or why would politicians take away those funds from a low income household if the husband is still living in the house with his wife and the child? child? We're talking about abortion, and usually single women in bad circumstances. Though Your point is a valid one.

bestbabync -> RE: Palins church. (9/9/2008 6:15:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lronitulstahp quote: ORIGINAL: bestbabync quote: ORIGINAL: lronitulstahp quote: ORIGINAL: bestbabync quote: ORIGINAL: lronitulstahp So suffice it to say you wouldn't vote for a candidate that supported the death penalty, or who was opposed to stricter gun laws....right? if i had my preference i rather the federal government not legislate, right. give our rights back to the states, yes. So are you saying you support the death penalty on the state level? i am trying to get a clear picture here. i'm not sure where the disconnect between "gasping babies", and sometimes "gasping innocent, or mentally ill or retarded person" happens. If people think life begins at conception, where does it become less valuable...18? life is always valuable. taking a life is not the same as giving ones life for a cause they believe in. Huh? Please re-read my post, i think you thought i was talking about innocent, menatlly, ill and retarded "soldiers"... But speaking of 'causes', most servicemen i know in Iraq and Afgahnistan believed in the cause of "putting food on the table, and perhaps earning a college degree someday". This however has nothing to do with the Pentocostal Palin thread, so i'll leave that alone. Back to topic.... no i read ur post right. i do not compare abortion to war. this is just my opinion.

kittinSol -> RE: Palins church. (9/9/2008 6:17:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bethnai Fuck Ron Paul. Just saying. Well said.

Thadius -> RE: Palins church. (9/9/2008 6:18:09 PM)
Even though she left that church in 2002 she is still going to be hung up for the things said at that church? Sounds fair to me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M-kD0QdRJk

Roselaure -> RE: Palins church. (9/9/2008 6:28:02 PM)
Politics. Abortion. If we can work fat people into this thread, we'll have a CM trifecta!

MistressNew -> RE: Palins church. (9/9/2008 6:28:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Thadius Even though she left that church in 2002 she is still going to be hung up for the things said at that church? Sounds fair to me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M-kD0QdRJk Perhaps, but she was baptized there at the age of 12 and attended the church for most of her adult life. When Palin was inaugurated as governor, the founding pastor of the church delivered the invocation. More to the point, she was in the audience two weeks ago when the preacher announced that some of the jewish people killed on 9/11 would have survived if they'd converted to Christianity. So, I guess when you say that she isn't a member there, you mean she is a very active member there. Slip of the tongue, I guess.

bestbabync -> RE: Palins church. (9/9/2008 6:30:08 PM)
oh we have a CM trifecta without fat people, Politic, Abortion & Religion

bestbabync -> RE: Palins church. (9/9/2008 6:32:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MistressNew quote: ORIGINAL: Thadius Even though she left that church in 2002 she is still going to be hung up for the things said at that church? Sounds fair to me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M-kD0QdRJk Perhaps, but she was baptized there at the age of 12 and attended the church for most of her adult life. When Palin was inaugurated as governor, the founding pastor of the church delivered the invocation. More to the point, she was in the audience two weeks ago when the preacher announced that some of the jewish people killed on 9/11 would have survived if they'd converted to Christianity. So, I guess when you say that she isn't a member there, you mean she is a very active member there. Slip of the tongue, I guess. back to Rev Wright & "my muslim faith".....they both have to answer for their faith, right?

Thadius -> RE: Palins church. (9/9/2008 6:36:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MistressNew quote: ORIGINAL: Thadius Even though she left that church in 2002 she is still going to be hung up for the things said at that church? Sounds fair to me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M-kD0QdRJk Perhaps, but she was baptized there at the age of 12 and attended the church for most of her adult life. When Palin was inaugurated as governor, the founding pastor of the church delivered the invocation. More to the point, she was in the audience two weeks ago when the preacher announced that some of the jewish people killed on 9/11 would have survived if they'd converted to Christianity. So, I guess when you say that she isn't a member there, you mean she is a very active member there. Slip of the tongue, I guess. Obama was brought to Christianity by this man, married by him, had both of his daughters baptized by him, and continued attending and defending until this summer when Wright made it impossible to do so anymore. Should I play some of the Louis stuff... nah, look up calypso Louis Wolcott, he is a popular man at Obama's old church, even given awards and praised by the Senator. To your second point, actually that speaker (a visitor) from "Jews for Jesus" spoke at her non denominational church. So, I guess when you have a slip of the tongue you are just trying to stir shit with it...

lronitulstahp -> RE: Palins church. (9/9/2008 6:37:29 PM)
Actually...i don't get into squabbles about church. Being a Christian myself, i would find that pretty hypocritical. i do believe strongly, however, in seperation of church and state, in keeping religion and politics as far from each other as possible, in not holding memebers of a church responsible for the actions of the priests, pastors, deacon, or organist. No matter if i agree with their politics, or not. i referred to this as the Pentocostal Palin thread, mainly because i like alliteration. i could see how someone could misconstrue me as somehow anti-Christian because of it. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Thadius -> RE: Palins church. (9/9/2008 6:39:57 PM)
Fair enough. I think it is handy to know if a politician has a faith or not. It is when we get into attacking a person because of that faith or because they don't follow a faith that we all get into troubles.

Roselaure -> RE: Palins church. (9/9/2008 6:44:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Thadius Fair enough. I think it is handy to know if a politician has a faith or not. It is when we get into attacking a person because of that faith or because they don't follow a faith that we all get into troubles. I agree. I am not, absolutely not a religious person, but I have no issue with the religious beliefs of others, as long as they don't involve the imposition of their religious beliefs on public policy.

kittinSol -> RE: Palins church. (9/9/2008 6:45:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Thadius To your second point, actually that speaker (a visitor) from "Jews for Jesus" spoke at her non denominational church. This just takes the biscuit.

bestbabync -> RE: Palins church. (9/9/2008 6:46:17 PM)
i never believed u to be anti Christian. really i didn't. i did take ur mention of age(18) in one of ur last post as referring to the soldiers. i also wanted to say that i certainly hope that America's youth do not join the military for the salary & benefits. that is for sure gambling with your own destiny. nough said about that.....

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