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FatDomDaddy -> Does Lipstick on a Pig Now Equal Hockey Mom? (9/9/2008 5:59:16 PM)

Maybe statements like this are why McCain/Palin now hold a lead in the white female vote.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/obama-says-mc-1.html



Thadius -> RE: Does Lipstick on a Pig Now Equal Hockey Mom? (9/9/2008 6:01:59 PM)

I saw that today.  I figured I would just ignore the comment.  Just like the cheap shot about special needs kids. 




celticlord2112 -> RE: Does Lipstick on a Pig Now Equal Hockey Mom? (9/9/2008 6:03:22 PM)

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UPDATE: Obama senior adviser Robert Gibbs insists the senator was not referring to Palin. "That's an old expression," Gibbs says.

Robert Gibbs is correct....it is an old expression.

And so soon after Sarah Palin's speech at the RNC is definitely the wrong time to use that old expression.

Add one more to the Obama gaffe list (aka, John McCain's arsenal of soundbites)



Sanity -> RE: Does Lipstick on a Pig Now Equal Hockey Mom? (9/9/2008 6:07:11 PM)

He's sounding desperate.



FirmhandKY -> RE: Does Lipstick on a Pig Now Equal Hockey Mom? (9/9/2008 6:10:18 PM)


Personally, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt and not assume he was talking about Palin. If that was his intent, it's just dumb, and I don't think he is that dumb.

However, if such comments continue, I'd be willing to change my mind.

Firm



Sanity -> RE: Does Lipstick on a Pig Now Equal Hockey Mom? (9/9/2008 6:15:59 PM)

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"You can put lipstick on a pig," he said to an outbreak of laughter, shouts and raucous applause from his audience, clearly drawing a connection to Palin's joke. "It's still a pig. You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change. It's still going to stink after eight years."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080910/ap_on_el_pr/obama_lipstick_4


You would think the "raucous applause and laughter" would have clued him in after a while though



lronitulstahp -> RE: Does Lipstick on a Pig Now Equal Hockey Mom? (9/9/2008 6:16:33 PM)

You're right Firm,

It's sort of like that judge that went up in arms about the "black hole" comment.  Hyper-sensitivity and bad timing can lead to anyone taking an innocent statement as a dig. 

Or perhaps, anyone can make a statement sound personal just to start a shit storm....but here on the boards?!?!?!   Never!!!!



Thadius -> RE: Does Lipstick on a Pig Now Equal Hockey Mom? (9/9/2008 6:21:24 PM)

At Biden's campaign stop, there was another mention to not being able to dress it up with lipstick.



FatDomDaddy -> RE: Does Lipstick on a Pig Now Equal Hockey Mom? (9/9/2008 6:25:48 PM)

I am sure that too was designed to stir it up on a BDSM board...lol

Its clear they have lipstick on the talking points if both Biden and Obama are using it. But it also sounds like it backfired.



kittinSol -> RE: Does Lipstick on a Pig Now Equal Hockey Mom? (9/9/2008 6:26:14 PM)

Didn't Palin boast during her nomination speech that hockey mums were like pit-bulls, with lipstick added [;)] ? Just rememberin'... memories, memories.



celticlord2112 -> RE: Does Lipstick on a Pig Now Equal Hockey Mom? (9/9/2008 6:26:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

He's sounding desperate.

He is....and the amazing thing is....I don't see why he should be desperate.

If he had ignored Palin from the get go, instructed his campaign to ignore McCain's VP pick no matter who it was, other than to send the obligatory "We wish you well" courtesies, if he had worked instead on putting some meat on his skeleton pitch of "Change."--he would be trouncing McCain right now.

Instead, he let McCain play him.  I do not for one moment believe that McCain picked Palin entirely at the last minute.   More likely he reduced the choices to Lieberman (if Obama picked Clinton) or Palin (if Obama snubbed Clinton).  Either way, McCain baited Obama by needling him on his celebrity status, which Obama obligingly reacted to when the proper response would have been "And?"  Even before the DNC, Obama was ceding ground to McCain for no good reason.  Long before the DNC, McCain had the stage set to seize the "change" theme from Obama right after--and Obama let him do it.

Then when McCain announced Sarah Palin, Obama's campaign staff rushed to top each other with sneering contempt for Palin, setting off the Palin feeding frenzy in the media, producing what should have been an easily predictable backlash in favor of Palin.  Palin looks good simply because of the oversized efforts to make her look bad.

As good as Obama's acceptance speech was, tactically it was also a mistake.  Biden should have been the attack dog roasting McCain the night before, and Obama should have been the one pontificating on all the wonderful changes he was going to bring to Washington.  In other words, Biden and Obama should have traded speeches with Palin and McCain, respectively.

Now Obama has reduced himself to comparisons between himself and Palin--comparing the Democratic Presidential candidate to the Republican Vice-Presidential candidate.

Obama is executing a strategy of defeat.  Unless he can find a way to seize the rhetorical high ground once more, he will get trounced in November.  As it is, the pressure is building on him to overperform in the debates, which are his next big opportunities to shift momentum.  With every passing day and every new gaffe, the bar is raised for Obama and lowered for McCain.

I don't like Obama's politics, but, politics aside, any politician executing this clumsily this early in the general election can count on coming up short in November.



lronitulstahp -> RE: Does Lipstick on a Pig Now Equal Hockey Mom? (9/9/2008 6:27:15 PM)

*sigh* i'm nothing, if not subtle.



Owner59 -> RE: Does Lipstick on a Pig Now Equal Hockey Mom? (9/9/2008 6:29:20 PM)

Or a pit bull ....with lipstick?

She brought the "lipstick" thing up 1st.

Didn`t the cons claim that Gore 1st mentioned Willie Horton, to excuse their ugly racist ad?.

Goose - gander?





FatDomDaddy -> RE: Does Lipstick on a Pig Now Equal Hockey Mom? (9/9/2008 6:31:35 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Didn't Palin boast during her nomination speech that hockey mums were like pit-bulls, with lipstick added [;)] ? Just rememberin'... memories, memories.


Isn't that the point?

Of course words mean things.

Pig... well... I guess you haven't come that long a way...baby.



Sanity -> RE: Does Lipstick on a Pig Now Equal Hockey Mom? (9/9/2008 6:35:50 PM)

I guess it's not quite clear to some. Put bluntly, every woman here should take offense at Obama's latest gaffe.

"Women are pigs."



Mercnbeth -> RE: Does Lipstick on a Pig Now Equal Hockey Mom? (9/9/2008 6:36:53 PM)

~ Fast Reply ~
 
Maybe we need a new PC dictionary for this campaign as the desperation grows. In NY State, per Governor Paterson 'community organizer' is Republican for 'black'. (BTW - Is black a bad thing?)

quote:

"I think the Republican Party is too smart to call Barack Obama 'black' in a sense that it would be a negative. But you can take something about his life, which I noticed they did at the Republican Convention – a 'community organizer.' They kept saying it, they kept laughing," he said.

Paterson referred to McCain's running mate Sarah Palin who compared her work experience to Obama's.

"So I suppose a small town mayor is sort of like a community organizer, except with real responsibilities," she said at the convention.

Paterson sees the repeated use of the words "community organizer" as Republican code for "black".

"I think where there are overtones is when there are uses of language that are designed to inhibit other people's progress with a subtle reference to their race," he said.

Source: http://wcbstv.com/politics/paterson.mccain.palin.2.813646.html 


This is going beyond desperation and bordering on farce.



camille65 -> RE: Does Lipstick on a Pig Now Equal Hockey Mom? (9/9/2008 6:39:58 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Didn't Palin boast during her nomination speech that hockey mums were like pit-bulls, with lipstick added [;)] ? Just rememberin'... memories, memories.


“So Sambo beat the bitch!”
This is how Republican Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin described Barack Obama’s win over Hillary Clinton to political colleagues in a restaurant a few days after Obama locked up the Democratic Party presidential nomination.

http://www.laprogressive.com/2008/09/05/alaskans-speak-in-a-frightened-whisper-palin-is-%E2%80%9Cracist-sexist-vindictive-and-mean%E2%80%9D/




FatDomDaddy -> RE: Does Lipstick on a Pig Now Equal Hockey Mom? (9/9/2008 6:42:50 PM)

Well... if "Lucille, the waitress" says so it must be true! 



Thadius -> RE: Does Lipstick on a Pig Now Equal Hockey Mom? (9/9/2008 6:43:29 PM)

One must wonder why this waitress didn't bring that up before this... Know what I mean?  If you hear the Gov say something like that, why would you not report it to at least the media?

Then again, I would not expect anything else from a hit piece like this.



Aynne88 -> RE: Does Lipstick on a Pig Now Equal Hockey Mom? (9/9/2008 6:45:03 PM)

Are you quite serious? You are here starting a thread about poor little crazy insulted by the boys Sarah Palin and you throw out an elitist sexist snobby bullshit comment like that? Wow what a double standard.  



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