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What is the true cost of your issues? - 9/9/2008 6:54:33 PM   
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I'm not talking financial costs, but emotional costs.

Issues here could mean anything from the effects of abuse to emotional issues and baggage - something we have all had to deal with to varying degrees as a result of living and dealing with other people.

I've reached a point in my transition, my third attempt to transition in a process which last month passed the 10 year mark. This time round I guess started four years ago from suicide attempts and the crumbling and collapse of the 'me' in my former gender role. I knew back then to get away from that low point in my life there was no going back.

But to get where I am now I realised that I had to put everything that I had back then on the line, to put it all at risk, and win or lose deal with the consequences. Water under the bridge, I lost, and I lost everything and almost everyone.. but this in a way proved to be my own catharsis. At that time there was too much anger and resentment within me to perhaps achieve what I wanted any other way and I admit to enjoying going into freefall, letting everything go, living as free as a bird, and starting all over again from nothing.

Coming back hasn't been easy, but in itself it's been a learning experience in itself. I tried and I worked on myself and worked to overcome my issues and looking back there has been progress, but there have also been mistakes and things which maybe I could have done but didn't. Spending much of last year expecting to relocate and living in the future didn't help and this is one of the lessons I learned at the start of the year.

One of the most consistent features of all these ten years or so has been my constant contact and support with the BDSM community and learning the lessons of my own submission. One of the most important lessons was that through submission and serving dommes I learned to reach out to serve and help others. Looking at it from this angle you can see how I came to work with the homeless in that it was something which affected me, but I was also applying knowledge and experience gained from the BDSM community to reach out to help others, and through this help myself. This is basically how it all came about.

I'm sitting here writing this standing at a point where everything is starting to fall into place, I have a small theatre, developing charity and numerous projects. It's not the same as it was before and it never will be. I walked away from an acting career through all this, agreeing to appear in a few commercials, a couple of films, and doing voice over work for animated computer and cellphone games but I turned down roles in films such as Notting Hill, and Polish films such as Shrek, Quo Vadis and Vinci. I have no regrets for today I am 'me' and have a much better sense of self, but realise that even though I've made a lot of progress I still have some work to do and some way to go.

I still get the lows and the frustration. There were no suicide attempts, not even anywhere close but at one stage I did almost decide to delete my profile and leave CM. But somehow common sense prevailed and I 'got over myself' and realised that I would only be cutting off my nose to spite my face and this is when things turned round. But now I am gathering the confidence and faith in myself to move forward and carry on, realizing that it is all now in my own hands and that I am capable.

I know I am not alone in having to deal with issues and there are many of us here who are going through similar struggles with a wide variety of issues, some who have faced far worse for much longer and who have come through having lost much more. I realise that many may have no concept of the significance of what I have written above just I cannot imagine for example what it is like to lose a UM, to experience possible financial ruin from years of a bitter struggle in a divorce court, from being in an abusive relationship or any one of a number of personal crises or tragedies that can befall any one of us. Many may be struggling just to keep body and soul together and a few may not know if they are going to be online next month.

Many things go to make up a life, and such things can bring out or even exacerbate issues.

But what has been the true cost of your issues? And having paid the price, what have you gained in return?

Are some issues just too expensive to keep?

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RE: What is the true cost of your issues? - 9/9/2008 7:03:25 PM   
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Stella, I'm so glad to hear that your professional life is coming back into place.

Me? Depression starting with puberty at a time when there was no diagnosis for pediatric or adolescent depression, nor any treatment besides ECT which I lobbied for, but was denied. I've been in and out of therapy over 30odd years. My oldest with multiple mood disorders, one of them so severe that at the time of her diagnosis it was a death sentence. She is the first with this to graduate high school, to not become a drug addict, to compete nationally in her sport, go to college etc.

The cost was marriage to a man who would not recognize or face his own demons, economic difficulties. But the payoff is that I know myself really well and am happy with myself. And my daughter has a future, something unimaginable nearly ten years ago. It's all worth it. The icing on the cake? A good relationship with a man who can deal with my bad days, loves my daughter like his own, and is not only my companion in crime, but the closest friend I've ever had. Now if he'd only finish up what he's working on, and come home for a couple of days before the next round.

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RE: What is the true cost of your issues? - 9/9/2008 7:28:01 PM   
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I have to admit, Stella, for as often as we disagree, it's a nice thought to know  that you and I are thinking the same thing at the same time.  Excellent post and question, if you don't mind Me saying so.

While our issues are indeed different, I've been wondering about the cost, or potential cost of some of My own just now.  I think this happens for Me whenever I start looking at someone new.  There are things about Me that I feel any potential has a right to know, to some degree, even if that means a generalization of why I have certain habits.  Depending on who's on the other side of the kneel, I may be able to be more open, or I might be more reserved.  To Me, this is a hard process, and I have to admit that it is one I go through up front.  I have always said that I want to be served because of the person that I am, not just because I'm a Dominant.  That means a submissive has to accept the whole Me, scars and all.

I have to admit that in My recent endeavors, I've rushed that a bit this time around.  I also have to admit that I'm not doing the best job at it.  Even though I'm the one pushing for it, I also seem to be the one who wants to retreat.  Why I'm doing this self destructive thing, I'm not quite sure.  From some of the things I've written today, I'm seeing it and I'm owning it.  I'm also very aware of an apology that I owe.  Yes, I'm sure that statement is bound to have some wanting to take away My membership card to the D club, but I'd rather be of the mind that when I make mistakes <gasp> I need to correct them.

From what I've observed, I honestly think that there are more of us with less than a perfect bowl of cherries for a background.  There are quite a few folks around who have had less than perfect childhoods, financial ruin, bitter divorces, struggles with who they are, and a whole list of other things that have helped to shape the person that they are today.  I don't necessarily terms these things as baggage.  Sure, they can be, if a person allows it.  Still, I think there is a way to recognize the past without it adversely affecting the present.  It takes some of us more work to be able to do that than others, but it is possible.

So, that's My bit of rambling on the subject.  I'm sure it doesn't make any sense to anyone but Me, but sometimes, self analyzing seems to come out in the unlikeliest of places.


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RE: What is the true cost of your issues? - 9/9/2008 7:50:01 PM   
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After a lot of abuse in life, at eighteen a counselor said something to me that I can now see, helped me through all of life’s issues or challenges or personal ones.  He said to me that I needed to learn to be alone.  At the time I didn’t like hearing that…lol… but I did think upon his words and found my peace with it.  The next step was in learning to be alone.  To be alone and happy, I had to learn myself and see deep inside, to who I was, what I was and what I enjoyed about myself.  I had to like myself to be comfortable sitting with myself for days at a time, rather than seeking out the company of others and the distraction they would offer me to ignore many things.

I found personal strength alone, listening to music and examining myself and all things I could think of.  I found myself laughing a lot and found that a lot of the things I would normally stress about meant very little in the big picture of things.  I learned to be free, to live free and to enjoy being alone.  This helped me when I lost my son when he was one and a half.  I wanted to become an alcoholic to forget my pain, but the strength I had gained in learning to be alone saved me.  Then because I had gained myself, I had to lose my family and I mean my whole family, because I couldn’t be allowed to be strong and not dependant as a woman should be, according to the sick perv’s I had in a father and brother.  Because I was not afraid to be alone, I could manage this loss too.  Then there was the brain damage of my son and I am still working through that one, but I live mostly alone and am okay with that.

Throughout the years and in times of weakness or serious life challenges, I wasn’t always comfortable being alone because sometimes it is just so overwhelming to know you are alone and there isn’t anyone there from blood family and knowing you are alone totally.  At times I wanted and did cling to someone or something, but I was always able to shortly get my balance and find my way through.

All because a counselor told me I had to learn to be alone.  It cost me my family and a lot of hours when I would have preferred not to be alone, but it gave me a life tool… many of them, that sustain me to this day.  It was worth the cost.

Stella… you are an amazing person and I thank you for your post and bringing this topic up.  You reflect and think of others so much and your willingness to share yourself and your struggles and helping others through their own is very admirable.  It brings things back and you have to think about it and in that, who knows… we might see something we might have missed or forgotten.  I know it made me stop and think. lol

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RE: What is the true cost of your issues? - 9/9/2008 8:47:42 PM   
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Well, since one of my issues is being highly avoidant, so far the cost has only been my happiness. More and more I think that I'm approaching that tipping point of throwing away everything I've worked for and starting over, at which point the cost will probably be my happiness plus everything else... 

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RE: What is the true cost of your issues? - 9/9/2008 10:26:23 PM   
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Being true to yourself is the hardest thing to be.

It's also the only thing worth being.

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RE: What is the true cost of your issues? - 9/9/2008 10:39:21 PM   
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First. You are an amazing person. And if I wasn't completely bowled over by you and your art,  I would send you some playwriting I've done, including a play that was produced...one of the proudest moments of my life.

Secondly, I would resist the word "cost." It's symbiotic, love. The valleys that bring us to our knees make the peaks that let us soar higher. I believe that if we are worthy of the blessings we are worthy of the challenges. They are the same. They are the same.


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RE: What is the true cost of your issues? - 9/10/2008 6:57:11 AM   
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"issues".... *stops to think*

When I think of an "issue" inside myself, I see it as a little broken piece... a piece that is not consistent with the rest of me. To use a safe example, I am afraid of sharks. Don't ask me why. I know the statistics. I know the biological facts. And, in general, I'm not afraid of things that aren't actually likely to hurt me. I call that an issue. It's a bit of unexplained and unhelpful thinking inside myself. Even such a simple thing as fear of sharks though carries with it some nasty price tags. When issues like that become more complex, such as my own sexual hangups, they tend to spread their rotten little feelers all throughout my thoughts and dreams. I think of such things as having an extremely high cost to me and those around me. I can't always work on them effectively, but I will absolutely take any opportunity that comes my way to fix one. While I acknowledge that all of those issues are a valid part of me.... parts of what got me to where I am now... that doesn't mean I have to think they are productive going forward.

In my own experience, everyone has issues. Some have the strength to face theirs head on which is never an easy thing to do. I respect those people a great deal.

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RE: What is the true cost of your issues? - 9/10/2008 7:03:35 AM   
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Issues have cost me dearly, but has also introduced me to the power within me to rise above. Remaining in the victim mode was what cost me the most. Seeing everything and everybody doing this or that to me gave me a safe haven to become sicker in my mind, body and soul..literally. i still battle with the victim mentality when life throws me a curve ball, but now have the knowledge to not let it drag me back down in the pit.

My past is over and nothing i can do will change it to a happier time. Yes i been hurt so deeply that the pain lasted for decades. This pain even caused illness in me. It had total control of me and i had set it free. i do not choose people or events of my past being Master of me. It was a very long journey for me, but now i am medicene free, able to support myself and live by myself.  i bless those who walked beside me on my journey as well as those that made me fall down on my knees in total dispare, and for some who managed both. i am grateful suicide never was accomplished, but instead the desire to fight the monsters, which claimed me at a very young age, i do believe in the power of the phoenix, because i have rose out of my ashes many times throughout this lifetime.

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RE: What is the true cost of your issues? - 9/10/2008 7:09:19 AM   
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I'm not afraid of what I know and recognize...but in my life, I've had long periods of stupidity, in which I tried everything to fix a problem...except the one thing that would work.  I am a 'linear' thinker and if it's not in front of my nose, I tend not to see it.  If I do, I will wrestle it to the ground...but I have to learn to look around more.  Both inside and outside.
 
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RE: What is the true cost of your issues? - 9/10/2008 7:35:55 AM   
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You are the sum of all your experiences...and a classy lady I think!  Thank you for sharing that great post with us!   :)

Our issues are opportunities for "experiences" that will help shape who we are today.   It is the people who have taken the time to sort through their baggage and understand what is there, and how it affects them that I want to be around.  That process of facing your fears, your issues, and your history is a HUGE part of being a whole being.

But you have to turn to face them, and it sounds like that is exactly what you did.  I applaud you.  :)

There is a cost of facing your issues for certain - but the cost of not facing them is far greater.

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RE: What is the true cost of your issues? - 9/10/2008 7:53:47 AM   
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9 years ago, when I left the home I shared with my wife and ums, I went to the counselor I had been seeing and asked him plainly "Now what?".  Like Lockit's counselor, he advised me to learn to be alone.  I misinterpreted that and began living on my own but I kept my life filled with family, work, friends and my first submissive.  I didn't give myself the chance to be alone.  What I ended up doing is now interesting to look back on for while having a submissive gave me and her a chance to learn and grow in D/s and BDSM and having friends and family supported me emotionally and having patients supported me financially and kept the daytime hours filled, I wasn't finding the time to deal with issues from the rational and objective view that comes from taking the "alone" time.  During this time, my emotional outbursts...while less frequent...took more of a toll on me.

Three years later, my first submissive and I had parted and I had gone into a D/s relationship with my second one.  I was getting better though...I actually waited 4 months between my first and second submissive. During this second three-year phase, I was still seeing my counselor and he continued to help with many issues though he still advised that I was going to have to make alone time to do some work on my own.  I spent less time with family and friends and, since my submissive lived in Canada, saw her less often than I had my first one.  Now, when I felt my emotions overwhelming me, I reached out for help BEFORE they took me over.  It helped a hell of a lot to be able to have him to guide me, make me use my own insight while nurturing it along.  Then my second submissive moved in with me toward the end of three years together.  We spent 6 months living together and I found that I had changed in many respects...I took on the responsibility of nurturing and caring for her emotionally as she dealt with the rejection from her ums for not going back to their father, I lifted her up as she took on a job and encouraged her.  I led and she followed but still...often, there was a heavy vanilla flavor to our dynamic and the fact that she was perfectly happy receiving a check from the Canadian govt. as the wife of a soldier even though she had not been living with him for three years puzzled and hurt me.  I spoke to friends within the life about it and to my counselor (if you haven't guessed by now, yes...he IS kink-aware).  They could see that my way of living, of doing things, had changed from the vanilla days and from the first D/s dynamic but that I still had too much of a tendency to let things slide that bothered me because I let the love relationship overrule the D/s dynamic.  Finally, I came to a point where I could not let it go on and I did one of the hardest things I had done in my life:  I sat her down and told her that I could no longer go on living with a woman who was married to another...that I would not live my life in front of my family, my friends, my patients with the spouse of another who had no interest in leaving that spouse for me.  She argued that she had left him for me but could not see giving up the money.  I noted...truthfully...that part of the reason her ums had rejected her was because she, and to be fair he also, had not finished things up.  I packed her bags and told her to go home and either clean up her life, leave him and come back, clean up her life and try anew with him, or clean up her life and move on to another dominant.  6 months later I received my collar back in the mail along with a note telling me that it had all been my fault, that things could have been beautiful if I hadn't been so "uptight and moralistic" and that she'd found a dominant who didn't care about taking money from her husband...in fact she enjoyed it.  By now, I had grown enough that I could only shake my head at the incongruity of those statements instead of being floored by them and going into the "what-ifs" and "see, CD?  you dummy".

I waited another four months before hooking up with my last submissive.  10 months.  For me, a long time.  I went into this last D/s dynamic with most, though not all, of the rules in place that I follow now.  I tended to still be a bit more understanding than what was wise when it came to her reasons for not being home when she said she would and for all the time she spent on the computer.  Turned out, as I have said before, that she was still involved with her prior dominant and when relocation came to the forefront, she chose to go back with him. 

This was the shortest of my relationships and it ended two years ago.  I have spent the last two years involved with my family and friends again, building my practice and being FRIENDS with submissives and dominants.  I have looked within myself and found those things that fit me and those things from past relationships that did not fit me.  I have become harsher in some ways, less bending in some ways and yet, have found new patience and understanding for things that go wrong along with an improved ability to discern B.S. from careless-though-not-intentionally-hurtful mistakes.  As someone noted, it would be quite possible to let the baggage be just that...baggage...but I studiously avoid that while knowing that my past, along with finally facing everything in my life including the issues with my parents and ums that I have spoken of, has shaped me into what I am.  There are people I care for deeply, including a very sweet person who struggles with many issues in their life including whether or not to let me or anyone else outside of family care for them...but I put myself out there and try not to throw up a guard against hurt.  Hurt is part of life and that is something that has to be understood.  It is highly unlikely that those you love will die at a time convenient for you or that you will die at a time convenient for them.  It is unlikely that your submissive/dominant will always do the right thing or always be pleasing or always be nurturing but if they love you and care about you, they'll do their damndest.  Someone hurting you because they are protecting themselves or trying to figure things out should be given the leeway for you to step back and look at their actions with as much DISpassion as possible so that you can discern if their actions are deliberate or thoughtless or the result of their own tumultuous world.  I won't let someone keep hurting me deliberately but I will not dismiss someone from my life summarily.  I have standards but they are standards tempered by my life experience which has taught me that though many things can be broken down into black and white, many more things have shades of gray to them.  Even so, if you want to hold me to a certain standard, then I expect you to follow that same standard.  There is room for two partners in my D/s dynamic but only one leader...and it ain't you.  If you cannot accept that, that is fine...you may be submissive but you are not the submissive for me.  I want someone to love and someone to love me...but since we find each other through D/s and that comes first, I will not love overrule the D/s dynamic anymore.  At the same time, I will not be so rigid in my D/s dynamic that all the love is shunted aside whenever there is a conflict.  Hopefully, we can interweave the fabric of the two to make a fuller tapestry.

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RE: What is the true cost of your issues? - 9/10/2008 8:15:04 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: oceanwynds

Issues have cost me dearly, but has also introduced me to the power within me to rise above. Remaining in the victim mode was what cost me the most. Seeing everything and everybody doing this or that to me gave me a safe haven to become sicker in my mind, body and soul..literally. i still battle with the victim mentality when life throws me a curve ball, but now have the knowledge to not let it drag me back down in the pit.

My past is over and nothing i can do will change it to a happier time. Yes i been hurt so deeply that the pain lasted for decades. This pain even caused illness in me. It had total control of me and i had set it free. i do not choose people or events of my past being Master of me. It was a very long journey for me, but now i am medicene free, able to support myself and live by myself.  i bless those who walked beside me on my journey as well as those that made me fall down on my knees in total dispare, and for some who managed both. i am grateful suicide never was accomplished, but instead the desire to fight the monsters, which claimed me at a very young age, i do believe in the power of the phoenix, because i have rose out of my ashes many times throughout this lifetime.

blessings
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I could not have stated my own experience any more eloquently.  So "what she said" goes ditto for me!

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RE: What is the true cost of your issues? - 9/10/2008 9:03:32 AM   
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Thank you DelightnDevotion

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RE: What is the true cost of your issues? - 9/10/2008 11:56:02 AM   
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My 'issues' have cost me three vanilla marriages, three deep loves, three dominants/masters and endless fucks.
My issues have cost me two wonderful houses and forced me to flee across Europe, smuggled into Britain by the British Consulate carrying hand baggage only and supporting two babies single- handedly.
My issues have almost cost me my life on at least two occassions.
HOWEVER: my issues forced me onto a spiritual path, resulted in paintings and writing as a means to stay sane. My issues have bought me some of the most amazing, trustworthy and intimate friends any woman could be blessed with. My issues lead me to learning and qualifications that take up the best of a complete line across a letter head.
My resolutions have enabled me to sit and be with hundreds, possibly thousands of others whom i have had the pleasure of teaching, supporting and counselling.
But above all my issues keep me bound for life to a perfect man whom i have the honour to call Master.



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RE: What is the true cost of your issues? - 9/10/2008 4:09:09 PM   
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I figure you never really know until the last moment.  Either my gender roles are nicely segregated, and I'm beating the system...or I've a touch of schizophrenia. 

There's a difference in the cost to oneself, and a cost to not being mainstream.  The more lifestyle we become, the more mainstream opportunities close off, even if it's just potential partners and even friends.  That's the system cost in return for the gain one gets oneself.  I'd say for independent, stoic types that isn't a big cost.  For a social type, that cost is too high.


What is too high differs from person to person, and I can't answer for you.  I figure that so many choices are taken from us in life, the true cost is any time you're doing something you'd rather not...if you don't have to.

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RE: What is the true cost of your issues? - 9/10/2008 4:19:42 PM   
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My issues cost me a marriage, and 10 lonely years while i worked through said issues. Now i wish i had done this work 30 years ago.  Of course i hadn't hit the bottom then, so wasn't where i needed to be to do the work.

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RE: What is the true cost of your issues? - 9/10/2008 4:56:14 PM   
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Quite the question Stella though a very thought provoking one too! As I age I have found that periodically I either face an issue I have or life throws one of her famous curve balls and I have no choice but to face an issue at that time.

When I faced the issue regarding my sexuality and all the repercussions of my coming out, I took baby steps and that process spanned 10-15 years. Some of the fears I had about rejection of family, friends, relatives were largely unfounded. I did have one childhood friendship (25 yrs in length) quickly fade away. This experience helped shape the core person I am, one who is confident in my convictions and knows that I am still a valid person no matter who my bed mate happens to be.
    Throughout my childhood it was drilled into me to be independent and to stand up for myself. Coming from a dysfunctional family and having a relative molest me at 12 yrs old had shown me first hand that life is not always fair and a person has to either cave in or do what is necessary to surpass the hardships. I choose to do whatever I had to do to overcome these "bumps." Granted for awhile I did take that concept to the extreme through burning the candle at both ends with partying 4-5 mights a week, holding down 2 jobs at the same time. Yet a point was reached where I woke up and realized that I wanted more for myself then boozing and drugging and struggling to make ends meet. Looking back, I can see that for the most part, I was self deluding myself and actually hadn't dealt with the issues of a lousy childhood, the abuse, unemotional parents and serious flirting with alcohol and/or drug addiction. That cost was way too high for me. The cost I did pay is was having no real friends and living a lonely lonely life.

Now that I'm on the tail end of my 40's, I look back and see that all the experiences I put myself through and what I was made to endure was meant to be. It was necessary to create the person who I am today. That is a fairly well rounded and mature individual which many are proud to call friend and/or lover. I have a couple nieces who adore their uncle and think he's nutty yet funny. When I look in the mirror and I like the person staring back at me, I can honestly say that for all the trials and bullshit I experienced, it was worth it since it shaped who I am.


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RE: What is the true cost of your issues? - 9/10/2008 5:23:48 PM   
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But what has been the true cost of your issues? And having paid the price, what have you gained in return?

The true cost of my issues is the inability to trust anyone properly. I honestly do not believe i will ever trust anyone 100% again when it comes to giving my heart. I gained nothing in return for this there is no upside to it.
The true cost of my issues is i will never be able to ride on a motorbike, or look at one without feeling scared and sick to the bottom of my stomach. Again i gained nothing from this issue.
Through many joint issues i have gained the ability to be independent, comfortable with myself and know myself pretty well. I have learnt they are my issues to deal with and that i need to share them but still pretty much deal with the negativity alone. Noone can solve my issues for me, i probably cant solve them myself. But i can learn to live with them and keep them as grounded as possible.


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RE: What is the true cost of your issues? - 9/10/2008 6:00:58 PM   
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I try not to think of where I've been, just know that if I hadn't been there, I would not be here, and there are lots of things about here that I treasure.  That is not to say there aren't many things I want to change... still working on the issues atm.

I have flashbacks, I have triggers, I have dissociative episodes, I have ill health, I have anxiety, I'm bad in social situations, I'm still not wholly comfortable with my sexual orientation/choices/lifestyle, I rarely feel safe, I don't trust very well, I rarely find inner peace/sub space/inner calm, I lost my uni place, I lost most of the friends, I'm bipolar, I have a poor relationship with most of my family.

Issues in a nut shell, I guess.

They stem from being abused, being hurt, over and over.  From not being listened to, from being ignored, over and over.  From being pushed in directions I don't want to go/didn't want to go in.  From not being confident enough to make my own choices and stick with them.

I also have; a collection of poetry and writings I treasure, a trail of people who aren't dead, yet, because they met me, some wonderful new friends who don't care about the dysfunctional mess that is my headspace, a chance to start over, properly, in a new city, on my own, a chance to do some work to get ready to do that, a wealth of experience that belies my age, safety in music, maybe a possible relationship possibly...

I have good things, I can trace them directly from bad things.  It's like I've finally turned a karma turn, and I get good things now, or better things.

I know what I want now, so, I'm figuring out a way to go about getting it.

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