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ORIGINAL: SoulPiercer

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ORIGINAL: kiwisub12

One way or the other - we are going to have a person in the white house who is there because -not of their experience in politics or qualifications - but because of their gender or race.

I would be considered an Independent - Sarah Palin while a great woman, and probably as well qualified as Biden for the office of the vp, is there because she is a woman.  Senator Obama is there because he is black - tell me any other name in the democratic party with as little political experience in Washingtom as Obama that could have been backed for president, that is white and male.

And there are way more people who are going to vote of Obama because of his skin colour than will vote for Palin because of her genital arrangement.
Actually, i sometimes think that we as a country need to just suck it up , take our 4 years, and get this gender/race hurdle out of the way. Either way, there will be one less hurdle to jump come January.                   And who knows, maybe being a black/woman won't mean complete disaster for the country. [8|]

Obama is the democratic candidate for President BECAUSE he is black? So all around the country, people were screaming - "Finally!! A black guy is running for President .. let's all vote for him!"

Obama is there because the people who voted for him equate this "experience" everyone is going on about with the problems in our government right now. "Experience". All that "experience" at doing the same thing over and over again. The people who voted for him are hoping for change and out all of the candidates, he did the best job hammering that message home.

I do agree that McCain picked Palin because she's a woman. The pick wasn't necessarily made because he expects to gain ALL women voters, he just wants the Hillary supporters who have gone on record saying they will not vote for Obama since he didn't pick Hillary as his VP.

I seriously doubt there are more people who will vote for Obama because of his race. In fact, I suspect we will see the highest number of democrats ever to vote republican in this election. I personally know several life long democrats who all said nearly the same thing:

I'm not racist or anything like that, but I'm going to vote republican because things really aren't all that bad.

Really?

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ORIGINAL: lronitulstahp

[8|]Yes...all those blacks in large urban based states like IOWA really turned out and "hooked a brother up".  And let's not forget how less than 13% of the total population of this country is black...with about 32% of  blacks NOT being registered to vote...it's amazing they pulled off such a coup.



~disingenuous slut

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ORIGINAL: Racquelle

It seems odd to me that when we discuss issues I see as central to the well-being of human beings - we call them "Women's Issues".

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ORIGINAL: Horne
Given that Obama cornered the vast majority of the black vote in every state. I'd say it's a fairly accurate assessment to say that one reason Obama is the Democratic candidate is because he is black. To insist otherwise is to simply ignore the numbers.

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ORIGINAL: lronitulstahp

[8|]Yes...all those blacks in large urban based states like IOWA really turned out and "hooked a brother up".  And let's not forget how less than 13% of the total population of this country is black...with about 32% of  blacks NOT being registered to vote...it's amazing they pulled off such a coup.

~disingenuous slut

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I will make myself a little more clear. I don't believe in making an issue of women's issues within some of the context it is being presented. To be honest, I have no fear that birth control will be banned, I mean really now.

As far as abortion, I am personally against it, it is a moral issue to me. I also feel that it should not be legislated at a federal level. I believe that our federal government and court system should not be bogged down with things that belong in the state governments/courts. Specifically, it is a life and death issue (to ME) which except for law officials etc murders and suspicious deaths, are state court issues.

In addition, I feel that the far right has gone way too far to try and legislate morality. I think there is a great deal of danger in that. The scariest thing is that they do it in baby steps, and all too often either make it a black and white battle of good versus evil, and/or, a patriotic issue.When in reality it is neither.

Not to leave the far left out, I am just as uneasy with them. They want to babysit everyone through the hard knocks of life. We can't do that either. It creates excuses rather than promoting personal responsibility. It promotes too much reliance on big brother to take care, rather than self reliance. I feel they, all too often, want to create too many special rules to save and protect anyone with an issue or some personal difference that makes them unique rather than simply enforcing the laws of equality we already have.


So, those two things being said, I certainly do not want anyone in power at a federal level that has extreme views, one way or another. Extreme enough to motivate them to attempt to use their power to change policy that should be handled elsewhere. The people in our government, at that level, have other things they need to focus on.

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ORIGINAL: candystripper
Not every woman is a friend to Womankind.

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I will make myself a little more clear. I don't believe in making an issue of women's issues within some of the context it is being presented. To be honest, I have no fear that birth control will be banned, I mean really now.

As far as abortion, I am personally against it, it is a moral issue to me. I also feel that it should not be legislated at a federal level. I believe that our federal government and court system should not be bogged down with things that belong in the state governments/courts. Specifically, it is a life and death issue (to ME) which except for law officials etc murders and suspicious deaths, are state court issues.

In addition, I feel that the far right has gone way too far to try and legislate morality. I think there is a great deal of danger in that. The scariest thing is that they do it in baby steps, and all too often either make it a black and white battle of good versus evil, and/or, a patriotic issue.When in reality it is neither.

Not to leave the far left out, I am just as uneasy with them. They want to babysit everyone through the hard knocks of life. We can't do that either. It creates excuses rather than promoting personal responsibility. It promotes too much reliance on big brother to take care, rather than self reliance. I feel they, all too often, want to create too many special rules to save and protect anyone with an issue or some personal difference that makes them unique rather than simply enforcing the laws of equality we already have.


So, those two things being said, I certainly do not want anyone in power at a federal level that has extreme views, one way or another. Extreme enough to motivate them to attempt to use their power to change policy that should be handled elsewhere. The people in our government, at that level, have other things they need to focus on.