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ORIGINAL: Thadius

PALIN: In what respect, Charlie?

I know some folks only see the Bush doctrine as his declaration of what was it called again... oh yeah "The Doctrine of PreEmption", says more about the knowledge of those that think that way than it does about hers.  You want to keep ignoring that even the document you claim he was referring to also speaks about using all of the tools of the country, diplomatic, financial, and political in concert with the nations of the world. 

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

PALIN: In what respect, Charlie?

I know some folks only see the Bush doctrine as his declaration of what was it called again... oh yeah "The Doctrine of PreEmption", says more about the knowledge of those that think that way than it does about hers.  You want to keep ignoring that even the document you claim he was referring to also speaks about using all of the tools of the country, diplomatic, financial, and political in concert with the nations of the world. 

You know, if she said ANYTHING remotely like your extensions of her remark, right there, she wouldn't have come off as a nitwit.

He gave her an open ended question about a broad topic.

And the broad FAILED to take the opportunity to present HER OPINION about the topic. She could have recited the Party Line, but chose not to. She could have babbled some other canned bullshit. ( She should have HAD canned bullshit. That's the difference between an amateur bullshitter like her, and a real Queen of Bullshit like Hitlery.. Hilary could have hit that softball out of the park. )

That shit might play in the boonies of Alaska, but she ain't ready to be called up to the Big Leagues, is she?

WTF was wrong with Kay Bailey Hutchenson, anyway? She's got a vagina AND Real Credibility. Is it that KBH isn't a Pretty Nitwit?

Man, do I miss Mario Cuomo. He's well out of all this crap, but would have made a great Emperor.

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife


The document is the policy paper Gibson referred to in the interview when he talks about the doctrine being enunciated in September 2002.  When this was originally issued there was a large controversy over it if you recall, because the preemptive action concept was a radical departure from long-standing U.S. policy.  The policy paper was referred to as the Bush Doctrine but the most critical part of it, that we can invade based on a presumption of threat, is what most people think of when the term is used.  I realize that Wikipedia and some other sources have broadened that definition over the years, but I still think that concept is considered the core. 

Regardless of how you want to define it, my thoughts when I was watching her answers was she didn't have a clue what he was referring to.  Which is why I wanted to get other people's perceptions of it. 

My thoughts then, and now after seeing it replayed numerous times, was that she was trying to bluff her way through it.  The thing that comes to my mind is, if she really did understand the reference but wanted clarification, why the huh?, what?, "deer-in-the-headlights" stalling tactics?  Would she not have come across better by asking a pointed question, referencing specific parts of the policy, for clarification?   

PALIN: In what respect, Charlie?

I know some folks only see the Bush doctrine as his declaration of what was it called again... oh yeah "The Doctrine of PreEmption", says more about the knowledge of those that think that way than it does about hers.  You want to keep ignoring that even the document you claim he was referring to also speaks about using all of the tools of the country, diplomatic, financial, and political in concert with the nations of the world. 

I have no problem with you forming your opinions however you wish, but if you are going to present this as an error or confusion, at least present it in full context of what it is that you are claiming documents the "Bush Doctrine".

To answer your other suggested questions, if she asked a "pointed" question she would have been accused of being combative or trying to steer the interview.  She gently nudged him, allowed for him to clarify his specific question, and answered it.

Since we are discussing such nuances, I think it would be a good chance for me to start a new thread, I don't want to hijack this one, thanks for the inspiration.

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

You know, if she said ANYTHING remotely like your extensions of her remark, right there, she wouldn't have come off as a nitwit.

He gave her an open ended question about a broad topic.

And the broad FAILED to take the opportunity to present HER OPINION about the topic. She could have recited the Party Line, but chose not to. She could have babbled some other canned bullshit. ( She should have HAD canned bullshit. That's the difference between an amateur bullshitter like her, and a real Queen of Bullshit like Hitlery.. Hilary could have hit that softball out of the park. )

That shit might play in the boonies of Alaska, but she ain't ready to be called up to the Big Leagues, is she?

WTF was wrong with Kay Bailey Hutchenson, anyway? She's got a vagina AND Real Credibility. Is it that KBH isn't a Pretty Nitwit?

Man, do I miss Mario Cuomo. He's well out of all this crap, but would have made a great Emperor.

Open ended?  He asked a yes or no question.  "Do you agree with the Bush Doctrine?"

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

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Bush doctrine

I would have been impressed had Palin simply replied, "O, you mean war-mongering & cutting taxes? Well, my thought on that policy is...."

She might have also replied, "I'm a firm believer in, Do as we say, not as we do! I don't want other nations waging preemptive wars or torturing foreign nationals, and I certainly don't want the US dragged into the International Court."

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And if she had answered yes or no from the start and then elaborated we wouldn't be having this discussion.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Why all the "gotcha" bullshit, what's wrong with someone from outside of politics as usual. She's not supposed to be a Washington insider, that's the beauty of the pick...

Besides, as has already been explained as nauseum, there is no actual 'Bush Doctrine' per se.

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife
So you're saying that if she is really this ignorant of our foreign policy that's a good thing?   

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


You have a real person from Alaska in the running... I say that's a plus. Nothing wrong with that. She'll surround herself with smart people and fill in whatever gaps of knowledge  she may have quite marvelously.

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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ORIGINAL: Thadius
PALIN: In what respect, Charlie?
I know some folks only see the Bush doctrine as his declaration of what was it called again... oh yeah "The Doctrine of PreEmption", says more about the knowledge of those that think that way than it does about hers.  You want to keep ignoring that even the document you claim he was referring to also speaks about using all of the tools of the country, diplomatic, financial, and political in concert with the nations of the world. 

You know, if she said ANYTHING remotely like your extensions of her remark, right there, she wouldn't have come off as a nitwit.

He gave her an open ended question about a broad topic.

And the broad FAILED to take the opportunity to present HER OPINION about the topic. She could have recited the Party Line, but chose not to. She could have babbled some other canned bullshit. ( She should have HAD canned bullshit. That's the difference between an amateur bullshitter like her, and a real Queen of Bullshit like Hitlery.. Hilary could have hit that softball out of the park. )

That shit might play in the boonies of Alaska, but she ain't ready to be called up to the Big Leagues, is she?

WTF was wrong with Kay Bailey Hutchenson, anyway? She's got a vagina AND Real Credibility. Is it that KBH isn't a Pretty Nitwit?

Man, do I miss Mario Cuomo. He's well out of all this crap, but would have made a great Emperor.

Open ended?  He asked a yes or no question.  "Do you agree with the Bush Doctrine?"

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Bush doctrine

I would have been impressed had Palin simply replied, "O, you mean war-mongering & cutting taxes? Well, my thought on that policy is...."

She might have also replied, "I'm a firm believer in, Do as we say, not as we do! I don't want other nations waging preemptive wars or torturing foreign nationals, and I certainly don't want the US dragged into the International Court."

I would have preferred her saying, "Charlie, I  don't give a damn about the Bush Doctrine, or Obama Doctrine, a McCain/Palin Presidency would bring back and strengthen the "Monroe Doctrine"!  ANYONE, from any quarter who threatens our country, our way of life, our freedom, WILL BE ELIMINATED"!  As far as torture, whatever happens in Gitmo should stay in Gitmo.  The Bush Doctrine!  Anyone who challanges the United States on the basis of our "torture" of prisoners is insane, Charlie. The video of americans having their heads slowly sliced off Charlie...do you think that is the same as waterboard?   Why don't these same people agahast at American intterogation methods stand strong against the killing of innocent woman and children shopping in a market in Bagdhad...or is "waterboarding" so much more severe than being blown into little pieces of bloody flesh.  I don't think the NY Times, for example ever does a "back story" on those poor people, their familes who suffered the loss of loved ones.  "Fuck you Charlie, Fuck Chris Matthews and Keith Ubarman, fuck the 200,000 German socialists who turned out for sex, lies, rock and roll and an Obama speech, and all your liberal friends.  CHANGE IS COMING...and America is back..!"

Well..that's what I would have liked Sarah to say...and I hope she was at least thinking about it... 

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Only Republicans seem to see a virtue in the ignorance of the ignorant.

I can understand one's cynism with professional politicians but the alternative doesn't have to be someone who appears to wallow in her own ignorance.

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Palin hasn't had much time to become a dirty bag career politician, but she's on a crash course, and she's getting there fast ;-) .

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
You have a real person from Alaska in the running... I say that's a plus.

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So screw the career politicians, vote for hope and change...

Vote Palin / McCain!

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

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Only Republicans seem to see a virtue in the ignorance of the ignorant.

I can understand one's cynism with professional politicians but the alternative doesn't have to be someone who appears to wallow in her own ignorance.

I don't mean to side track this thread, but, what is Obama being sold as again?  And who are his more die hard supporters?