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ORIGINAL: windchymes

Very true, Lady A....I was only directly quoting my father, who really thought he was preparing his daughters for the big bad world. He wouldn't let us drive the car until we could change a tire by ourselves, too. I can beat the AAA every time!

chymes

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Yesterday was very taxing for me. Physically and elsewise, i needed to burrow down in bed and listen to drivel on tv...try to zone out and wait for a better day tomorrow. i'm sure everyone knows what i mean -- it was "one of those days".

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

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ORIGINAL: windchymes

Very true, Lady A....I was only directly quoting my father, who really thought he was preparing his daughters for the big bad world. He wouldn't let us drive the car until we could change a tire by ourselves, too. I can beat the AAA every time!

chymes

I know. I wasn't criticizing your father. Though yanno, lot of good his advice would have been had you turned out a lesbian! ;-)

- LA

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We could also get away from the gender stigma by saying "believe what someone does, not what someone says". I know many women that say one thing and do another. This isn't a gender issue, it's a human issue.

- LA/LadyAngelika

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I was gullty of something like that once. I inserted D/s into a situation when it was entirely inappropriate. She was concerned about the death of someone and I stupidly thought that I could break her mood. All I can say is that, thankfully, the she saw enough in me to forgive the inappropriate action on my part.

ExSteel

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Original: Quiver
"seems to me the Moral of the story is that old line of "action's speak louder then words"

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ORIGINAL: MsIncognito

I think you hit the bullseye, LadyAngelika. I met a "Dominant" that I really liked. The IM and phone conversations were great. We really clicked. He knew to say all the right things at exactly the right time. He had it all down pat - in his head. When the rubber hit the road it was more like this:

Him: Ready to go out to dinner?
Me: You bet, I'm starved.
Him: Where do you want to go?
Me: Hmmm, I'm not feeling particular, just about anything will do. (Note: I am the type of person who if I *am* feeling particular will just say "How about Thai food?")
Him: Well, give me an idea.
Me: I'm easy. You pick
Him: How can I pick if you won't give me an idea?
Me (getting rather annoyed): Because I don't care where we go. Pick whatever you want.

You get the idea. This type of thing happened all the bloody time in just about any imagineable situation. He was a classic example of saying one thing but doing something entirely different. How on earth am I supposed to submit to someone who can't even pick a restaurant? My motto is "I hear what you say, but I listen to what you do."

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
Darling, we dominant women go through that all the time. They start off by saying "I want to be devoted and obedient and cater to your every wish" and then when they don't get what they want, they bail.

And I'm sure this happens with all sorts of submissive/dominant combos on either side of the equation. I'm sure this happens in non-kinky relationships too.

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ORIGINAL: OscarHargraves

Wow! Considering you said you didn't give a hoot what people thought about how you handled this, you sure got a lot of replies.

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Next time you want some privacy and comfort just turn on the electric blanket, the TV and then open a chocolate bar.

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ORIGINAL: IronBear

This posts interests me in as much as I know people who are usually in control of themselves and things about them and yet at times are incapable of making basic decisions. Were the situations different, yes I have no doubt that they would take charge yet at times the basics are too much to decide on. Does this devalue them as a Dominant? In the eyes of some yes and those people would in all probability request or demand their Dominant’s ID card be returned. I’ve yet to met a person who is in absolute control (as far as it is possible) of themselves or their surrounding 100% of the time or who does not have that one “weak” chink in their controlling armour. From my point of view, and yes I am one of those who on occasions am incapable of making such decisions as to what we are going to eat other than saying with all pomp and circumstance an intelligible “Food!” I’ve been pondering on this and even discussed it with various professional friends after PTSD Conferences. It seems that people who have and still suffer from stress disorders are likely to do this more frequently because parts of the mental system shuts down when it perceives an overload. Mostly it occurs in not essential situations where the full cognisant abilities are required or due to the adrenaline rush under perceived life threatening situations. It matters where the mind recognises that the subject under discussion is not vital for the survival of the person, just decides to “Leave the building” leaving behind a somewhat bewildered and confused person who consciously has no idea how to come up with answers to what is being asked (Such as “What are we having for dinner”). I have developed a defence mechanism for this, which my family know well. All I’ll do when it appears that everything has got a tad too much is to tell Neets: I don’t have a decision in my brain right now. You make the decisions and let me relax, rest or sleep.” Usually after I’ve had some RnR I’m ok for the next period of time…. Sometimes you just have to shut down or shatter.

Taking the thread heading, I’m used to the situation of “Do as I say and not as I do.” Life isn’t an even playing field and just sometimes some one in a leadership position, through training or experience is able to do something different and have others doing exactly what he or she has instructed them to do even if it is the opposite of what they (the leader) does.

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ORIGINAL: MsIncognito
How on earth am I supposed to submit to someone who can't even pick a restaurant? My motto is "I hear what you say, but I listen to what you do."

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ORIGINAL: LadiesBladewing
I have to admit that, when I really don't care where we eat, and I tell my servant to "pick a place", I'll be doggoned, I don't want the run-around -- just pick a place and let's go. I don't necessarily think that whether or not I am willing to choose a restaurant determines whether or not I am dominant. I think that whether or not my servant knows that when I say "choose", I mean for her to make a selection and she -does- marks whether or not I have made it clear that I am the dominant.

Frankly, my issue with this was the debate. At the point at which he said "Well, give me an idea". I would have either expected an idea in return (a -real- one.. not just "I don't know") OR I would have phrased it as "I'm not feeling particular at the moment, either -- you choose a place, I'll approve it or not."

If I tell my servant to make a choice or handle a situation or whatever, who is in charge? Is the submissive automatically in charge, just because xhe is doing what was delegated to hir? I don't think so.

Lady Zephyr

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Posts: 819
Joined: 11/1/2005
Status: offline Let me begin with some hard-won wisdom: when a Man's behavior does not match His speech, use behavior as a guide.

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ORIGINAL: plantlady64
Hello All,
I'd just like to say for all men or women out there that their actions speak louder than words.
I don't think one sex or another has more or less people that are out there with very good lip service and nothing to back it up.

For all people in my life integrity is key to me having the ability to relax around you and trust what's coming out of your mouth. It's a shame we can't take people at face value & that people don't feel accepted enough to be forthright with their words and honorable in their actions.

Funny thing is even though I'm familliar with this concept I find myself falling short of living up to it some days myself.
Sincerely,
sub suzanne