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Thadius -> RE: Ignorance or Spinning Fear? (9/14/2008 2:52:56 PM)
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ORIGINAL: subtee
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ORIGINAL: Thadius
1. Al Qaeda planned and attacked targets in the US on 9/11.
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2. Iraq had nothing to do with those attacks or the planning. Two for two. Very important point which has been inappropriately spun for years by those who know better but had no trouble lying to us. It's so disrespectful and yet, sadly there are many Americans who still believe this.
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3. Al Qaeda is now(and has been) in Iraq fighing US and Iraqi troops. Not exactly. Quote: "It is true that there are terrorists in Iraq, including many associated with a branch of al Qaida. But the Iraq-based al Qaida has no operational connection to the al Qaida that planned and carried out the 9-11 attacks." [http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/52350.html] (Same article.)
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4. Those going to Iraq and Afghanistan will be fighting against members of Al Qaeda. Not the ones she meant, if indeed that is what she meant. Which to me is a leap.
Okay so we are 2 out of 4.
As to point number 3, I present...
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htiw/articles/20080527.aspx
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Al Qaeda Discusses Losing Iraq
May 27, 2008: Al Qaeda web sites are making a lot of noise about "why we lost in Iraq." Western intelligence agencies are fascinated by the statistics being posted in several of these Arab language sites. Not the kind of stuff you read about in the Western media. According to al Qaeda, their collapse in Iraq was steep and catastrophic. According to their stats, in late 2006, al Qaeda was responsible for 60 percent of the terrorist attacks, and nearly all the ones that involved killing a lot of civilians. The rest of the violence was carried out by Iraqi Sunni Arab groups, who were trying in vain to scare the Americans out of the country.
Today, al Qaeda has been shattered, with most of its leadership and foot soldiers dead, captured or moved from Iraq. As a result, al Qaeda attacks have declined more than 90 percent. Worse, most of their Iraqi Sunni Arab allies have turned on them, or simply quit. This "betrayal" is handled carefully on the terrorist web sites, for it is seen as both shameful, and perhaps recoverable.
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http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/07/20070724-9.html
- The Al Qaeda Terrorists We Face In Iraq Are Part Of The Same Enemy That Attacked The United States On 9/11, And They Still Intend To Attack Us At Home. While there is a debate in Washington about al Qaeda’s role in Iraq, the facts are that al Qaeda in Iraq is an organization founded by foreign terrorists, led largely by foreign terrorists, and loyal to Osama bin Laden.
Al Qaeda In Iraq’s Founder And His Successor Were Foreign Terrorists, Not Iraqis
Al Qaeda In Iraq Was Founded By Foreign Terrorists Linked To Senior Al Qaeda Leadership. Al Qaeda in Iraq founder Abu Musab al Zarqawi was not an Iraqi and neither is his successor Abu Ayyub al-Masri.
- Jordanian Terrorist Abu Musab Al Zarqawi Founded Al Qaeda In Iraq And Pledged Allegiance To Osama Bin Laden.
- Before 9/11, Zarqawi ran a terrorist camp in Afghanistan.
- According to our intelligence community, Zarqawi had longstanding relations with senior al Qaeda leaders and had met with Osama bin Laden and Ayman Zawahiri.
- In 2001, Zaraqawi left Afghanistan and eventually went to Iraq to set up operations with terrorist associates after Coalition forces destroyed his Afghan training camp.
- In 2004, Zarqawi and his terrorist group formally joined al Qaeda, pledged allegiance to Osama bin Laden, and promised to “follow his orders in jihad.”
- Bin Laden publicly declared Zarqawi the “Prince of Al Qaeda in Iraq” and instructed terrorists in Iraq to “listen to him and obey him.”
Thus making point 4 a valid point.
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