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thishereboi -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/15/2008 4:41:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I believe leaving is far more safe than, ohhhh sayyyyyyyyyyy, putting out a hit. Although the hit would be service to the country.


While you are probibly right, I really doubt any of them will actually leave. They just seem to think it sounds good.




kittinSol -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/15/2008 6:00:14 AM)

Unsubstantiated?! You have got to be kidding, right? The article is as researched as anything you can read. You just can't be arsed reading because you don't like the gist it. Or else you're too lazy? Either way, this isn't a slime attack: this is a serious piece of information about the potential president of this country. MzMia is correct: this is a form of public service. Nobody forces you to believe it, if you like your head in the sand, but something tells me you're just trying to discredit an article you find bothersome :-) .

Heretic - Alaska has the highest rate of sexual assault in the nation, especially in rural areas. http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-01-29-alaska-sexualassaults_N.htm. Good luck justifying Palin's initiative.

Here's what's happening now:

"McCain defiant in lies storm - 3 hours ago
WASHINGTON (AFP) — Republicans John McCain and Sarah Palin stand accused Monday of trying to "lie" their way into the White House with discredited claims and advertising -- and it's not just outgunned Democrats crying foul.
Non-partisan fact-check operations, newspapers and opinion columnists are also charging McCain, once a darling of the press, of cloaking the election in sleaze and unfairly smearing Democrat Barack Obama."

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hjO6YPkd2LcstrGwzE3p9bRY7k0g

As usual, the sleaze comes mostly from one direction - and the specialists of sleaze, the Republican McCain campaign organisors, are getting caught with their hands in the cookie jar. They don't like that their candidates are being held accountable for real fuckups, so they try and spin this yet again against the Democratic party. But guess what? It's not working anymore. Ouch. Karl Rove Sultan of Sleaze himself claimed McCain 'went one step too far'  in his campaign against Obama. http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/14/campaign.wrap/index.html The cracks are turning into geological faults [8D] .




TheHeretic -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/15/2008 6:07:56 AM)

         Well, Kitten, then you can certainly vote for the other side...  Oh wait...  Nevermind




kittinSol -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/15/2008 6:15:56 AM)

I don't mind that I can't vote; but careful, it's starting to look like you mind that I can talk.  [:)] .




TheHeretic -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/15/2008 6:32:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

I don't mind that I can't vote; but careful, it's starting to look like you mind that I can talk.  [:)] .



        Then you are misunderstanding me badly.  Keep quoting Huff Post to your hearts content.  I don't know if Arianna ever became a citizen either.

         Oh.  And for those of you that are talking about leaving, don't expect me to pack if Obama wins.  I am an American, regardless of the party in power.




Sanity -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/15/2008 6:36:33 AM)


So it's "Palin's initiative" now?

Do you have any way of proving that this isn't just another Huffington slime attack?

You haven't even provided a credible link to the underlining story yet, much less that it's "Palin's initiative".

The Huffington post is equivalent to Rushlimbaugh.com by the way...

And the USA Today article doesn't say anything other than there is some law on the books with no real details. Did they pass it because they have some drunken whore there who falsely screams rape twice per week?

What's the real story...

You do realize that the USA Today is in the tank for Obama, don't you. It's as bad as the New York Times, they'll print lies and sleaze all day long if they think it'll help Obama.

You need to do better than that.








kittinSol -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/15/2008 6:48:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Do you have any way of proving that this isn't just another Huffington slime attack?



How about reading the article, instead of draping yourself in your offended dignity?

For a man who quotes Fox News willy nilly, your present indignation is coming across as a brilliantly timed piece of comic masterpiece.




Sanity -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/15/2008 6:56:29 AM)

Read what article.  Huffington Post?

Do you not realize that you linked to the Wasilla home page and Huffington post?

You've yet to provide us with a credible link to this story!!!






Sanity -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/15/2008 7:07:12 AM)


I'll tell you what. Here's proof that the Huffington Post is a "wacko leftist" website:

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/tools/search.guest.html (search "Huffington)

By your own standards, that should be proof enough.

Case closed.









meatcleaver -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/15/2008 7:11:03 AM)

OK I'm struggling to find anything that is leftist on the website, never mind wacko leftist.




subtee -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/15/2008 7:16:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Read what article.  Huffington Post?

Do you not realize that you linked to the Wasilla home page and Huffington post?

You've yet to provide us with a credible link to this story!!!





Is the AP credible to you? http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jfTm-bOoREGlDJnQXYG9I2CDN-wQD934SK0G0




kittinSol -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/15/2008 7:20:30 AM)

Ah, I see! When a journalist doesn't go your way, you demand to have his entire investigation redone! I hope that for the sake of truth, you go through the same process with every single piece of journalistic research you come across. Interesting.

"Palin, as mayor, fired police chief Irl Stambaugh and replaced him with Charlie Fannon, who with Palin's knowledge, slashed the budget for the exams and began charging the city's victims of sexual assault. The city budget documents demonstrate Palin read and signed off on the new budget. A year later, alarmed Alaska lawmakers passed legislation outlawing the practice.

News of the controversial policy has leaked slowly into the press this week as the presidential campaign has heated up and Palin's record has been subject to increasing scrutiny. The practice of charging rape victims has called into question Palin's stated commitment to women's issues, her judgment as an executive and her honesty about her record."

Here, I'll help: from this bastion of neo-communist thinking, USA Today:
 
"WASILLA, Alaska — In 2000, Alaska lawmakers learned that rural police agencies had been billing rape victims or their insurance companies $500 to $1,200 for the costs of the forensic medical examinations used to gather evidence. They quickly passed a law prohibiting the practice. According to the sponsor, Democrat Eric Croft, the law was aimed in part at Wasilla, where now-Gov. Sarah Palin was mayor. When it was signed, Wasilla's police chief expressed displeasure.

 
"In the past, we've charged the cost of exams to the victims' insurance company when possible," then-chief Charlie Fannon told the Mat-Su Valley Frontiersman, the local newspaper. "I just don't want to see any more burden put on the taxpayer."

Now that Palin is the Republican nominee for vice president, Democrats such as former Alaska governor Tony Knowles — who signed the rape-kit bill into law and was defeated by Palin in 2006 — are raising the issue to question Palin's commitment to women's issues and crime victims. Palin appointed Fannon after firing his predecessor shortly after she took office in 1996."

And the cherry on the cake:

"
It is not known how many rape victims in Wasilla were required to pay for some or all of the medical exams, but a legislative staffer who worked on the bill for Croft said it happened. "It was more than a couple of cases, and it was standard practice in Wasilla," Peggy Wilcox said, who now works for the Alaska Public Employees Association. "If you were raped in Wasilla, this was going to happen to you."

After calling Wasilla Mayor Dianne Keller for comment Tuesday, USA TODAY was instructed to submit a public records request, under which the city has 10 days to respond. As of Wednesday, the city had not responded to a request for records reflecting Wasilla's prior policy, including when it took effect and the cost to sexual assault victims."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-09-10-rape-exams_N.htm




Lucylastic -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/15/2008 7:34:56 AM)

Its in the boston herald and ermmmmm alaska daily news tooo
as well as a few others





LaTigresse -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/15/2008 7:35:48 AM)

All I have to say is that the if the democrats want the white house they better get off their asses and quit being so nice. Get this information to the voting masses. Lord knows the republicans would.




kittinSol -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/15/2008 7:45:04 AM)

I agree with you, and yet part of me hopes that the Democrats can win and yet remain civilised. Who said I was an idealist [&:] ?




Sanity -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/15/2008 8:09:15 AM)


Thank you, subtee! The AP is far more credible than the Huffington Post:

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Maria Comella, a McCain-Palin campaign spokeswoman, said Palin "does not believe, nor has she ever believed, that rape victims should have to pay for an evidence-gathering test." To suggest otherwise, she said, is a "misrepresentation of her commitment to supporting victims and bringing violent criminals to justice."

As governor, Palin has worked in a variety of ways to tackle the problem of sexual assault and rape, including making domestic violence a priority of her administration, Comella said. Alaska routinely has the nation's highest rate of sexual assault.


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ORIGINAL: subtee

Is the AP credible to you? http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jfTm-bOoREGlDJnQXYG9I2CDN-wQD934SK0G0




kittinSol -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/15/2008 8:15:29 AM)

We all have access to the whole article, so selective quoting will get you nowhere - that was a pathetic exercise. Next!




Sanity -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/15/2008 8:21:37 AM)


You only posted one side of the story. Nothing wrong with a little bit of balance.

It can't really upset you that much, can it?


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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

We all have access to the whole article, so selective quoting will get you nowhere - that was a pathetic exercise. Next!




MrRodgers -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/15/2008 8:24:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: scottishdove

just so you know, it isn't easy to relocate to Canada or for Canadians to relocate to the US. The residency requirements are quite extensive.


Then these requirements have changed or are unecessary. I have a friend in Canada, born in the US, moved to Canada and by showing a passport and birth certificate established enough to obtain 'landed immigrant' status.

Don't know that anymore than landed-immigrant is necessary as she has...as far as I know and as she has told me...ALL the benefits of living in Canada that a Canadian citizen enjoys except in employment and for the various levels in govt. Most of any benefits she does enjoy...comes from her city...ThunderBay and province...Ontario.




kittinSol -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/15/2008 8:31:58 AM)

I guess it's impossible to make a die-hard Republican understand the concept of journalistic integrity... but I'll try anyway: you didn't post a counter-story: you posted a selected extract that was actually refuted in the very article from whence it was quoted.

Good luck with trying to convince everybody else :-) .




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