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bestbabync -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/18/2008 11:38:31 AM)

my post was about Palin & fact or non-fact the latter post was not



bestbabync -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/18/2008 11:45:09 AM)

thank goodness we have something to laugh at.  because the economy is in the shitter and our military  is so strained, that we are sorta like sitting ducks to the rest of the world that hates us.

just as you would not enjoy a thread stating obama is a horrible person.  matter of fact that thread would get deleted so fast my head would spin![image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m28.gif[/image]



Lucylastic -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/18/2008 11:48:08 AM)

hmmm I think not, your post in "Obama-Two words" stating he is a baby killer is still there for everyone to read
sorry, I just passin thru





slvemike4u -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/18/2008 12:07:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bestbabync

this thread is about Palin and why she is such an awful person.  i have supported my opinion of Palin by stating that her politics and record should be the reason to vote or not vote for her.  this thread title like many others was based on a partial untruth which is used as a scare tactic.  that is what my statements here have been.  i posted a thread with a not so popular title and i was called out on it.  fair is fair.  IMO
BestBaby the problem with Palin isn't that she's an awful person(I don't know her personally so I will not make that assumption)it is that she is a True believer...and as such believes she knows the way.For myself I don't mind people who believe....I do get very afraid when those same people believe they know what god wants,and feel empowered to advise the rest of us on His desires.Palin's beliefs would not be an issue were she not running for high office and already shown a disposition to cram those beliefs down others throats.
Her experience was the first Palin debate,now those of us who treasure our freedoms have learned more about her experience and it scares us...Book banning ,even in a theoretical discussion has no place in a free society,small town pettiness,as opposed to small town values,has no place in national poitics.Imposition of values should not and can not come from Washington D.C. or government at all.She puts the lie so completely to McCains claims of "Coutry First",if this is his pick for VP how far will he bend to the social conservatives for his picks for the Court.Her selection was irresponsible and grossly pandering ,the man wants the office too much to live up to his own litmus test.Let me ask you this if McCain doesn't select her d you or anyone else here believe for a minute ,on her own merits she could run for President...that the Republican party would nominate this car wreck of a politician as thier standard bearer...I can see it now we could call her ..."The Accidental Candidate" foisted on the National stage by a desperate man,and the religous right>



bestbabync -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/18/2008 12:15:27 PM)

i so see your point!  but the same arguement rings true for the democratic party.  like many have posted here in these forums before me and i agree whole-heartedly with them, the democratic party has changed over the years.  i do not like scare tatics about loosing a woman's right to choose.  i personally do not believe that the federal gov should give me  or take away that right.  each state should legislate these issues based on local opinion.  these decisions should be more local, not coming down to us from a federal high horse. 



slvemike4u -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/18/2008 12:32:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bestbabync

i so see your point!  but the same arguement rings true for the democratic party.  like many have posted here in these forums before me and i agree whole-heartedly with them, the democratic party has changed over the years.  i do not like scare tatics about loosing a woman's right to choose.  i personally do not believe that the federal gov should give me  or take away that right.  each state should legislate these issues based on local opinion.  these decisions should be more local, not coming down to us from a federal high horse. 
See this is where your wrong,in your scenario a woman's right to make her own reproductive choices would depend on which state she lives in?The federal government does not give you the right,the supreme court has upheld an enunciated a right it and many believe is YOURS to begin with.The right to make your own choice(and btw baby's aren't aborted ,fetus's are aborted)Roe v Wade is the law of the land...it is the same law that allows the McCain campaign and the social conservative movement to celebrate and trumpet little Brisol's life affirming choice to have her baby.But give McCain and Palin half a chance and the future Bristol's won't be so celebrated for making the right choice ...they won't have one!!!!!



bestbabync -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/18/2008 12:47:31 PM)

that is where you are wrong.  i am not voting for the rep or the dem ticket. this thread states that Palin is against womens rights because she made rape victims pay for rape kits.  i do not believe that is good enough reason not to vote for McCain/Palin and i stated why i am of that opininon in my previous post.  most do not believe my opinion or reasoning is valid.  that is ok.   noone will convince me that a vote for obama will give me more freedom, just as anyone will convince me that a vote for McCain will take away my freedom. 

if u read my previous post about victims rights, i attempted to stay with the thread subject. 



Sequence -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/18/2008 12:52:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bestbabync

this thread states that Palin is against womens rights because she made rape victims pay for rape kits. 



Where does it 'state' this?



slvemike4u -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/18/2008 12:54:23 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: bestbabync

that is where you are wrong.  i am not voting for the rep or the dem ticket. this thread states that Palin is against womens rights because she made rape victims pay for rape kits.  i do not believe that is good enough reason not to vote for McCain/Palin and i stated why i am of that opininon in my previous post.  most do not believe my opinion or reasoning is valid.  that is ok.   noone will convince me that a vote for obama will give me more freedom, just as anyone will not convince me that a vote for McCain will take away my freedom. 

if u read my previous post about victims rights, i attempted to stay with the thread subject. 
My apologies Bestbaby I have niether the time nor the inclination to follow all the threads that deal with the many,many reasons not to vote for Palin.After the first 2 dozen or so you sort of get the feeling you know enough about this "hockey mom".Paying for rape kit's would just be icing on the cake as far as Palin's policies are concerned.



DomKen -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/18/2008 2:01:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bestbabync

i am an advocate for rape victims, not a counselor.  i am pro-life in my heart.  but in my job i am objective.  it is not my place to make the decision for a victim.
the link i supplied was an article that states knowles signed a victim's right bill in alaska, i think.  that is the article i meant to refer to, because it had the nurse in texas quote on it.  i intended to also post the link to the SART in alaska.  SART like in most states as in my state, pays for the rape kit & SANE exam if the victim reports the crime to the police. 

See here's where you keep getting in trouble SART (Sexual Abuse Response Team(s)) isn't some sort of national organization able to pay for anything. SART is a method where when a person reports a sexual assault a SART member acts as an advocate and couselor for the victim.

As has been stated repeatedly in this thread for quite a few years a federal law has mandated that the state governments will pay for rape exams and rape kits. This law and the preceeding state laws across much of the country was prompted by the occasions like Wasilla under Palin where the local municpalities were charging the victim for the exam and kit.

As a matter of fact starting very soon states will be required to pay for anonymous rape exams and kits so that a victim may get the exam immediately after the assault even if the victim isn't ready to go to the police about the incident.

As to your claims here, the article you linked to was about a victim rights bill but expressly about Alaska's law forcing municpalities to pay for rape exams and rape kits. Wherein we all can read Palin's hand picked police chief complaining that it might cost his department upwards of $14,000 a year. With a population of about 5500 at the time that works out to a tax burden of $2.55 per person per year at worst. IOW one less cheap cup of coffee per person per year. Or maybe they only get the regular instead of the large capuccino once a year.



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