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RE: Why Does Money Make a Lifestyle Domme "Not Rea... - 11/29/2005 5:44:34 PM

mnottertail

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Dear LordO,

I agree. That was well said. Now, I don't wanna make anyone say you would agree with this. But it landed on your post.

Into everybodies life a little rain must fall.

Some will bad mouth your product. Some will sing its praises. Somewhere in the bell curve lies the 80% and money.

It's all good.....

Ron

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RE: Why Does Money Make a Lifestyle Domme "Not Rea... - 11/29/2005 6:07:31 PM

LadySonelle

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I will tell you all what occasioned the original post. Perhaps it will add background.

I was on Yahoo IM. Now that's a mistale right there! The instant I am on IM, I am avalanched with slaves wnating to chat. Fine, I shall chat quit3e happily, but having four or five windows open at a time is rather stressful. I had three open at that time so I could handle it pretty well. Window #1 was a slave wanting to know if he could view My camera. When I told him I was very busy at the moment, he pouted saying "But that's what Mistresses should DO, watch me wearing a diaper!" OK, whatever... So I'm *his* servant? I don't think so... Window #2 the slave is asking Me if I would dominate him. Would I use a strap on? Would I whip him? Would I humiliate him. he sounds intersting so I'm engaging in some light fantasizing with him and enjoying it. Window #3 is asking me "Can I come live in your house and be your dog?"

What will he do to become My dog? "Oh, I'd lick you whenever you wanted it? You could take my pictures!" Would he work for a living? "Oh, no mistress, I would beg for table scrtaps and sleep on yor floor. I can tell how long THAT would last!

Now mind, I've been on IM with these three for about 90 minutes, giving and receiving enjoyment! Baby in Window #1 has a nice fantasy, finally does show Me his cam and gets off and I enjoy the glow as well. Slave in Window #2 asks Me "So, what kinds of slaves are you looking for?" (He is angling to be a 24 /7 house slave as well!) Without thinking of *him* I reply I need a driver, a maid and I am also looking for financial slaves if I can find them." and he (this after an ahour and a half of fun) says "Then you aren't real! Bye!" Puppy in Window #3 is still asking Me "Will you take care of me in return for oral service?"

And when the fellow in Window #1 finds out that usually I do camwork on a commercial site (Ite-nay Irt-flay) he asks "Can you do cam for Me again for free?" and when I tell him, sorry, but callers have priority over freebies, he says "I can't afford it! I only make 70K a year!" and leaves! After a full (and free!) 90 minute cam session!

When Window #2 calls Me a fake he leaves also. Window #3 is still angling "Please Ma'am, I make a really good dog! I'm out of work now and I can stay with you as long as you want!"

Do most online slaves thing we mistresses just loll around our pools spending magical millions and keeping a stable of slaves just for the sheer kicks of it all?

Do slaves and subs NEVER consider that a live in is *expensive* and ought to at least pull his own weight? Do they think we Mistresses are all heiresses? And the instant we even *mention* the hideous sordid topic of money, that we might like an *occasional* financial slave (not even all slaves! I hadn't asked that guy for a thin dime! I'd just done a free session with him!!) we're all fakes?

So fopr those who think I'm a pro-domme, forget it! I'm not! I do telephone work to put food on the table, but I've been a Domme for 25 years! I love BDSM and I live the lifestyle, but I can't keep a doggie or a housepet or spend My working hours doing nothing but sessioning for free ALL the time!

By the way, none of the three thanked Me for the time, either.
Yes, I enjoyed it and thanked THEM! *sigh*

So what is it I do want from slaves? I want love, time, devotion, effort, improvement, play... I want slaves to be themselves, to show their talents to Me, to learn under My hand, to grow and develop as slaves... and if there IS a financial slave out there, yes, I want that, too! But one or two slaves, that isn;t by any means ALL slaves! And if I state that I AM seeking a financial... that does NOT mean I'm a fake!

Guys... we Dominant Women are NOT millionairesses who sip cnampagne and flick riding crops at backsides for the fun of it! We are teachers, instructresses, we are sadists or Dominas, we are girlfriends, wives, some are mothers, we are WOMEN who care enough to play with slaves who love our craft and who *sometimes* are NOT wealthy! You need not even give us money, but an occasional offer of lunch, or to build a toy for us, or fix our cars, or walk the dog or..... Would it kill you?

For the most part, we are NOT fakes or chippies or hookers or whatever the term du jour is... we are simply Women.

Lady Sonelle

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RE: Why Does Money Make a Lifestyle Domme "Not Rea... - 11/29/2005 6:16:41 PM

RosaB

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Because, these are your typical horny, (kinky or otherwise), guys that are, usually, trying to turn the fact that we enjoy kink around on us to mean that we are loose women ready to get it on with just about any guy for any reason at the drop of a hat. All he has to do is say Mistress, Goddess, Ma'am, Ma'Lady, etc. at your service and we're there.

No need to court us, no need to show you think of us as a person beyond bdsm. Why really find out what's at the heart of the woman. Open the wallet? Now that would really be giving up power for SOME. No way, no how. That's real control to SOME. Don't you know that a woman's dominance is nothing more than a man's fantasy and his fantasy cannot go where it really would count for SOME. He must draw some bonderies he must maintain real control. M O N E Y honey is where he is most powerful on planet earth amongst his fellow man, (at least in his on mind), so, he won't ever, without one hell of a hissy fit, relinquish that area or he'd have true earthly feelings of being emasculated. Women to are only a temporary vessel for release to SOME. Maybe????

Now if only I can get this darn cursor to work I can go watch "MyName Is Earl".

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RE: Why Does Money Make a Lifestyle Domme "Not Rea... - 11/29/2005 6:22:44 PM

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So is that the riff? (% % free and 5% pay makes Me a fake? After 25 years it's a bit of a shock. he was getting EVERYTHING free! Everything. I hadn't even ASKED him to be a financial slave! But the instant I mentioned that I am seeking SOME financial slaves, he fled!

I've said this before and I'll say it again :

For many, money only represents freedom; the more money you have the more free you become. When someone takes away or controls your money, you loose freedom. Anyone who tells you different, has either never had any money in the past or doesn't have any now.

Now.... my message to the gents : You may not know it or understand it, but in all actuality, you are in total control.

If the money aspect bothers you or plays too big a part in the dynamic for you, you need to get up and politely walk away. If you don't have the balls or necessary will-power to walk away at this point, you will be forever consumed by self-loathing.

- The Ranger

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RE: Why Does Money Make a Lifestyle Domme "Not Rea... - 11/29/2005 6:36:35 PM

mnottertail

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Range,

Loan me a 50 till tuesday, somethings come up!

Ron

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RE: Why Does Money Make a Lifestyle Domme "Not Rea... - 11/29/2005 6:39:34 PM

B1gbear

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As a true Dominant (male or female), the nature of the role we take with submissives and slaves is to take responsibility for them. Now does that mean that we don't often ask them to get a job or be financially self sufficient? No, of course not. Especially when it is in the best interest for them or the home in general when talking about 24/7 arrangements. What happens however when we tell them we want them to support us? We immediately put ourselves in the catagory of preditor. After all, do Dominants need to be taken care of or do the submissives? Do either? That changes from person to person on both sides. There are tons of subs out there looking for a sugar daddy to take care of them and make it so they never have to work or worry about money. There are male subs out there who throw their money as Dominants to take them on. But do either make it okay for a real Dominant, (who calls this lifestyle their lifestyle, not just a job), to make financial support from a sub a requirement of service? Does it matter to your subs if you ask only one of them to support you? They all immediately see you in the same light. Most here look for someone to build an intimate relationship with. They don't want to hire a Dominant.

There are lots of opinions on the topic.....and we all know that opinions are like ass holes. Bottom line in my book....if I were a sub and I found a Dominant that told me I was wanted and "oh btw.....one of the positions I am accepting is my financial support" I would feel like I had just met a woman I could really fall for then she stopped me right before the bed and said. "That'll be $300 bucks before we get started."

Guess you should decide if this is a profession or your lifestyle before you get upset at the response you got. Can it be both?.....sure. Does it cheapen the lifestyle by making it your profession too when it comes to your personal subs/slaves? You betcha! I know lots of ProDommes who live this lifestyle 24/7 and are very respected by me and lots of others, but as far as I know they don't mix business and pleasure. One is a service on an hourly basis, the other is there personal relationships.

Food for thought, eh?

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RE: Why Does Money Make a Lifestyle Domme "Not Rea... - 11/29/2005 6:40:58 PM

LadyAngelika

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quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Range,

Loan me a 50 till tuesday, somethings come up!

Ron

The questions is now Ron... what exactly will you do for that 50? <weg>

- LA

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RE: Why Does Money Make a Lifestyle Domme "Not Rea... - 11/29/2005 6:42:01 PM

mistresskatie

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Honey read my thread you will find it interesting xx

Hooray for pro dommes xxxxxxxx

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RE: Why Does Money Make a Lifestyle Domme "Not Rea... - 11/29/2005 6:48:28 PM

mnottertail

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Now, there is the issue. What is happiness and longing and needing and having wholesomeness met.

Does money solve it?....prolly not.
Does love solve it? ..prolly not.
Does life get you thru times of no love better than no love gets you thru times of no life?.....prolly not.

So, why are we here.. Madamoiselle Lady Angelika has skills and desires all her own, as we all have.

For the 50, I will leave it unsaid, Madame.

You are indeed wicked and wonderful,
Ron

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RE: Why Does Money Make a Lifestyle Domme "Not Rea... - 11/29/2005 9:34:20 PM

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quote:

Range,

Loan me a 50 till tuesday, somethings come up!

Ron

So you're the board's cheap trick? I'll lend you that for some teaching sometime! You won't even have to be my whore or bitch, unless you'd like to be...

M

Sorry LA, I didn't see you were already bargaining (or do I mean bartering?) for the $50. Would never try and step on another lady's toes. M

< Message edited by BlkTallFullfig -- 11/29/2005 9:38:14 PM >

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RE: Why Does Money Make a Lifestyle Domme "Not Rea... - 11/29/2005 9:47:20 PM

mnottertail

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Yes, Ladies, I am a whore.

But I hope you see my failings and will consider me your friend; overall.

Ron

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RE: Why Does Money Make a Lifestyle Domme "Not Rea... - 11/29/2005 10:45:04 PM

slavejali

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You werent real for him, thats all.

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RE: Why Does Money Make a Lifestyle Domme "Not Rea... - 11/29/2005 10:57:22 PM

Misstoyou

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha

Because most sub men don't know how to even talk to a woman let alone court her.

"Most"?!... I don't know... That hasn't been my experience at all. I can agree with the "a lot of", but then again, those aren't the ones I become involved with.

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RE: Why Does Money Make a Lifestyle Domme "Not Rea... - 11/29/2005 11:00:27 PM

imtempting

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

quote:

Guess what guys? A classy vanilla gentleman does this stuff automatically; it's what keeps the women swooning. It's not the cash, it's the attention to detail.

I agree and this needs to be repeated until it sinks into people's heads!

- LA

Well guess what people. A classy girl would not ask well demand the guy buy her these things but let him buy them when he thinks the mood is right.

Perhaps people could be more open in their profiles about what they want.

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RE: Why Does Money Make a Lifestyle Domme "Not Rea... - 11/29/2005 11:03:03 PM

GoddessDustyGold

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ORIGINAL: B1gbear

There are tons of subs out there looking for a sugar daddy to take care of them and make it so they never have to work or worry about money.

There are tons of subs looking for a sugar momma, too. I was just approached today by one wanting to be put on the payroll for My business ( I don't have a job available, but that doesn't seem to matter to him) so he could be put on My insurance plan so that it would be cheaper for Me to pay for his hormones and surgeries. And he honestly believes that this is what the Mistress should do. After all he is willing to come live with Me and maybe even do a few dishes. I wonder what My problem is?

quote:

There are male subs out there who throw their money as Dominants to take them on.

There are some...mostly married businessmen who may also travel. Most of them don't pass muster with Me

quote:

Food for thought, eh?

I thought about it. No. We are mostly treated like freebie fetish life support. After a while it gets kind of disgusting. Throwing money into the mix will make most of them run for the hills. Good riddance to bad rubbish. And if it makes them feel more manly to bad-mouth Me in the process, it's no skin off My nose.
The few boys who offer Me respect and treat Me like a real person, never hear the word money come out of My mouth. Time enough for that negotiation if the relationship progresses far enough to warrant it.
I do appreciate your take on this, but most Dominant Males don't receive the same treatment as FemDoms.
If I am wrong, please feel free to correct Me.

< Message edited by GoddessDustyGold -- 11/29/2005 11:04:40 PM >

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RE: Why Does Money Make a Lifestyle Domme "Not Rea... - 11/29/2005 11:03:22 PM

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ORIGINAL: EmoDragon

but what if she wants to be a pro with some subs
and not with others others that she has personal feelings for, for example?

Her first post states she expects to be paid for Domming somone.

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RE: Why Does Money Make a Lifestyle Domme "Not Rea... - 11/29/2005 11:06:02 PM

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Well guess what people. A classy girl would not ask well demand the guy buy her these things but let him buy them when he thinks the mood is right.

Would you like her to drop you because you're an insensitive cheapskate before or after she tells you that is the reason? That is what it comes down to! She either asks and is called a money grubbing ho, or she doesn't and drops you because she becomes so resentful of feeling unapreciated and used. M

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RE: Why Does Money Make a Lifestyle Domme "Not Rea... - 11/29/2005 11:16:46 PM

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So are we talking about Lady Sonelle which states she requests money or vanilla relationships in which case are you saying gals want gifts everyday to keep happy?

If thats the case im glad I have met no gal that only loves me for my wallet.

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RE: Why Does Money Make a Lifestyle Domme "Not Rea... - 11/29/2005 11:23:34 PM

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ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig

quote:

Well guess what people. A classy girl would not ask well demand the guy buy her these things but let him buy them when he thinks the mood is right.
Would you like her to drop you because you're an insensitive cheapskate before or after she tells you that is the reason? That is what it comes down to! She either asks and is called a money grubbing ho, or she doesn't and drops you because she becomes so resentful of feeling unapreciated and used. M

M....

I think you may be misinterpreting Imtempting's post. I think what he is saying is : ''Try not to paint with such a broad brush, all of us are not Do-Me types. Have some confidence in us and know that we will do the right thing'' He's telling you that some have become just a little bit too cynical.

- The Ranger

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RE: Why Does Money Make a Lifestyle Domme "Not Rea... - 11/29/2005 11:31:17 PM

GoddessDustyGold

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ORIGINAL: imtempting

So are we talking about Lady Sonelle which states she requests money or vanilla relationships in which case are you saying gals want gifts everyday to keep happy?

I'm not sure what you have been reading here, imtempting. LadySonelle said:

quote:

Now mind, I've been on IM with these three for about 90 minutes, giving and receiving enjoyment! Baby in Window #1 has a nice fantasy, finally does show Me his cam and gets off and I enjoy the glow as well. Slave in Window #2 asks Me "So, what kinds of slaves are you looking for?" (He is angling to be a 24 /7 house slave as well!) Without thinking of *him* I reply I need a driver, a maid and I am also looking for financial slaves if I can find them." and he (this after an ahour and a half of fun) says "Then you aren't real! Bye!" Puppy in Window #3 is still asking Me "Will you take care of me in return for oral service?"

Who said that if this boy did not become 24/7 live-in he would have a strictly vanilla relationship? Methinks you jump to a quick conclusion. However, if he was to live-in, he should also contribute to the household. The boy asked what kind of slaves, he got a reply, including financial slaves, and he immediately cried "fake" and took off.
Sounds pretty simple and straightforward to Me.
Where are you getting the "gifts everyday" theme here? Please reread the description of the generous and free 90 minutes she gave to these boys and what she got in return. Unfortunately, this is very typical and exactly why I refuse to chat, except with that rare exception.

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