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HeavansKeeper -> RE: Obama doesn't get it. (9/15/2008 8:03:52 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
HK, you have to realize a few things. Nobody is intellectually dishonest. Your post borders on being a personal attack, at least with that accusation. The fact is, if someone takes the time to type something out on a forum like this, they do believe it. They may be mistaken, and I agree, I think CL is wrong. The point is he believes he is right.
He sees the McCain statement as something demonstrative of leadership qualities and the Obama statement as something lame. I do not see the distinction.
It took me forty eight years to learn to argue effectively. I am still not perfect at it, but anything that could be construed as a personal attack is counterproductive. In a verbal argument I've learned tactics like lowering my voice. Let the opponent ramble and lowly say for example "What about this". (this could be anything). Say it again, make yourself hard to hear. As they ramble they see your lips moving and eventually run out of wind. Then they will ask "What about what ?". That's when you got them.
Basically anything can be taken as proof for something else, which it does not prove at all. It happens all the time. If scientific investigation and research was done that way we would still be riding around on horses. I don't know where these traits come from, but they exist and are a very strong influence. I also agree that religion is a big factor, and has done alot more harm than good.
The bottom line is, Obama doesn't get it, but neither does McCain. Those people don't need your prayers, they need a place to live. They need food and water. They also need jobs, and the disaster of free trade has destroyed the latter, and it was bipartisan. None of these people "get it" because they were raised in a different environment.
It's important to note I snipped a few points from the above post.
1) I do not see my post as a personal attack in any regard. In addition to throwing out the times of the press releases, I wanted to make clear why the time difference was important. In fact, I stifled the bulk of my opinion to try and be unbiased and based on fact. Which brings me to point two.
2) "Anything can be taken as proof for something else." While this may be true in the here-say, paraphrase, dirty trick, media cut world of politics, it is not true in physics. Specifically regarding time. The order of events, and time between them is irrefutable. It is simply beyond contestation. The fact that McCain had the knowledge of how bad the storm was allowed him to make a more "understanding" response. It is not an unfair advantage, by any means, but it is unfair to compare the two press releases. More accurate would be to say "Obama released this message, urging people, pleading with them to get out of the area. I couldn't find anything from McCain on the subject." Same exact info as the OP, different way of saying it.
3) "The fact is, if someone takes the time to type something out on a forum like this, they do believe it." True, usually. But this is a public forum. Everything posted here is open to scrutiny and debate, whether welcomed or not.
CelticLord is a pretty cool guy in my experience. We clearly differ on political stances, and I do feel badly for what he's had to go through - I had it during Wilma - It's horrible.
And you're right, Termyn8or. The people affected by Ike don't need kind words and prayers. They need 10% of the RNC's (And DNC's [Do Democrats call it the Democratic National Convention?]) campaign budget spent on those crappy FEMA homes.
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