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RE: Latest on Merrill Lynch and Lehman Brothers - 9/15/2008 7:09:08 PM   
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"Privatizing" Social Security,... ie. giving all that money to Wall Street,doesn`t seem like such a good idea anymore.

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RE: Latest on Merrill Lynch and Lehman Brothers - 9/15/2008 7:21:00 PM   
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Anyway, I'm happy LEH died, old money, needs to die off from time to time, its natural. I'm just saddened that the biggest crooks will be allowed to live.


Now that's the one thing you *can* bank on!

Weird how all those billions of dollars just vanish into thin air, ain't it? *poof* Like they never even existed in the first place...



I don't understand.  What "old money" is it that died?  None of the senior management of Lehman are "Lehmans".
Bobby Lehman died decades ago and donated 3,000 pieces,  most of his rare art of Monet, Manet, Rembrandts, and his particular focus on Italian Renaissance,  to the Metropolitan Museum for the enjoyment of the public. 

How could anyone be "happy" that about 25,000 people, most just hard working people paying bills, raising kids, and paying the rent...not "old money...are now out of work, and in an industry where the odds are pretty poor that more than a relative few wil find work in the financial sector. 

Have we lost our humanity?  You know...some people look at a corporation like Lehman Brothers dying the way they look at a war movie and planes being shot out of the sky.  All they see is the flaming structure of the plane hitting the ground and don't see the man in the cockpit, burning up, feeling his pain, knowing he has seconds to live. We never think that at that very instant there might be a mom, a wife, children, a lover,  thinking of him and praying for him.  Instead we root for the "good guys" whomever they might be.  In America these days, tens of thousands of people are seeing their lives, their dreams,  going down in flames.  Can't we take a second to try to feel some human emotion towards them...and than get on with the dirty business of blame, casting stones at each other, and politics at its worst.

There is so much bitterness and hatred of each other in our country, and it's being fed by a press bent on opening every wound, detailing every wart, every deficiency and pitting rich against poor, black against white, male against female, and just putting all of us in one box or another, and than watching gleefully as we all fight it out.   And that slice and dice, "de-humanization" of our society is more of a problem than the cyclic moves in the economy and,  in my view, will be what ultimately destroys our young democracy.

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RE: Latest on Merrill Lynch and Lehman Brothers - 9/15/2008 7:23:36 PM   
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There is so much bitterness and hatred of each other in our country, and it's being fed by a press bent on opening every wound <snip>



Ah yes, the press. What a convenient scapegoat it makes.

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RE: Latest on Merrill Lynch and Lehman Brothers - 9/15/2008 7:32:56 PM   
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There is so much bitterness and hatred of each other in our country, and it's being fed by a press bent on opening every wound <snip>



Ah yes, the press. What a convenient scapegoat it makes.


Convenient...I think not. I think "justified scapgoat" would be how the majority of americans would view papers like the dying New York Times, a paper that can't wait to find some secret program designed to protect us and expose it and the people involved to our enemies, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, networks that literally chose the democrat party nominee for president by demolishing Hillary Clinton in the primary debates and follow-up stories. The unfair treatment of Hillary, who was probaby the best candidate versus Obama or McCain.   It was so severe that it became a comedy skit as we all know on SNL. It was all press propaganda, looking for a historic moment that would sell advertising.  Geraldine Ferrara said it better than I ever could.

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RE: Latest on Merrill Lynch and Lehman Brothers - 9/15/2008 7:40:07 PM   
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Some people's retirement funds are looking smaller and smaller every day.......



Is that really a tragedy?  Since the generation approaching retirement right now has done all they can to artificially inflate their holdings, at your expense of course.

Karma is a bitch.

http://hardchoices.blogspot.com/2005/05/crime-of-century.html


And here's the history of the Dow.  The great investment bubble required to shift the bulk of boomer retirement into private hands began about 1995, where each 1000 point advancement started happening rather quickly. Basically they NAFTA'd the place, at the expense of future generations, to produce the corporate returns today that were needed to beef up 401Ks that will privatize the bulk of what the boomers will need in their wheelchair years. Like fattening up that chicken before it ends up on the store shelf.

http://www.mdleasing.com/djia.htm


And on this day of a 504 point drop, here's a little history from only 22 years ago. Oh the tragedy.

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history.do?action=Article&id=6079




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RE: Latest on Merrill Lynch and Lehman Brothers - 9/15/2008 7:44:26 PM   
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The stock market has has huge drops in the past. It always recovers, (look at history). It is not the end of the world. There will be a big advance in the market after the election, who ever is elected. Buy now... 

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RE: Latest on Merrill Lynch and Lehman Brothers - 9/15/2008 11:46:10 PM   
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Corysub, the Dems will wish they nominated Hillary in November when Obama is defeated by McCain.

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RE: Latest on Merrill Lynch and Lehman Brothers - 9/16/2008 12:17:22 AM   
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Anyway, I'm happy LEH died, old money, needs to die off from time to time, its natural. I'm just saddened that the biggest crooks will be allowed to live.


Now that's the one thing you *can* bank on!

Weird how all those billions of dollars just vanish into thin air, ain't it? *poof* Like they never even existed in the first place...


How could anyone be "happy" that about 25,000 people, most just hard working people paying bills, raising kids, and paying the rent...not "old money...are now out of work, and in an industry where the odds are pretty poor that more than a relative few wil find work in the financial sector. 


I don't know, but I'm not.  We seem to have reached a place in our society where we all strive to do well for ourselves, but once there, everyone wants to bring us down.  I'm certainly not happy, given the news reported in the OP, that the money my mother is living on might go away. Hers is not "old money."  Hers is the result of carefully handling money and making sacrifices so she wouldn't have to ask for financial help in her elder years.

Nor am I happy about the idea of tens of thousands of people out of work and the ripple effect that might have.

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RE: Latest on Merrill Lynch and Lehman Brothers - 9/16/2008 1:46:22 AM   
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Anyway, I'm happy LEH died, old money, needs to die off from time to time, its natural. I'm just saddened that the biggest crooks will be allowed to live.


Now that's the one thing you *can* bank on!

Weird how all those billions of dollars just vanish into thin air, ain't it? *poof* Like they never even existed in the first place...



I don't understand.  What "old money" is it that died?  None of the senior management of Lehman are "Lehmans".
Bobby Lehman died decades ago and donated 3,000 pieces,  most of his rare art of Monet, Manet, Rembrandts, and his particular focus on Italian Renaissance,  to the Metropolitan Museum for the enjoyment of the public. 

How could anyone be "happy" that about 25,000 people, most just hard working people paying bills, raising kids, and paying the rent...not "old money...are now out of work, and in an industry where the odds are pretty poor that more than a relative few wil find work in the financial sector. 

Have we lost our humanity?  You know...some people look at a corporation like Lehman Brothers dying the way they look at a war movie and planes being shot out of the sky.  All they see is the flaming structure of the plane hitting the ground and don't see the man in the cockpit, burning up, feeling his pain, knowing he has seconds to live. We never think that at that very instant there might be a mom, a wife, children, a lover,  thinking of him and praying for him.  Instead we root for the "good guys" whomever they might be.  In America these days, tens of thousands of people are seeing their lives, their dreams,  going down in flames.  Can't we take a second to try to feel some human emotion towards them...and than get on with the dirty business of blame, casting stones at each other, and politics at its worst.

There is so much bitterness and hatred of each other in our country, and it's being fed by a press bent on opening every wound, detailing every wart, every deficiency and pitting rich against poor, black against white, male against female, and just putting all of us in one box or another, and than watching gleefully as we all fight it out.   And that slice and dice, "de-humanization" of our society is more of a problem than the cyclic moves in the economy and,  in my view, will be what ultimately destroys our young democracy.


No, I don't feel bad when over leveraged investments go bad. Sorry. They deserve it. They gambled they lost. They knew exactly the risks they were taking and the possible outcome they wagered they would make good profit, they were wrong. What's to feel bad about. You must think they were working for the public good or something. They were working to enrich themselves, which is not bad, but they got in over their heads, and drowned. If it had worked out they certainly would be sending anymore money than was forced to be given to the government coffers. It's their risk, their failure, for once. Good.

What? Should I approve of the Fed printing another 50 billion so their dreams can happen, at the expense of millions of other americans. NO. I applaud because failure wasn't rewarded, and they had to eat it for once. Countrywide was absorded using a diversion of risk to the Fed which is essentially a transfer of risk to anyone holding US dollars. Same with Bear Stearns. I'm happy because those that took the risk took the loss. A rarity in modern day America.

Anyway, you can feel sorry for them if you like, knock yourself out. You can still buy LEH shares if you want last I looked it was trading at .21 cents. You might be able to give an opportunity for one of them to sell there stock to you and keep a bit of there  money to feed their starving children.

Actually, I'm hoping a couple more fail, and a bank run happens, maybe that will shake things up enough for some needed changes to take place. IMO.

OH, I'M SO EVIL.

Whatever

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RE: Latest on Merrill Lynch and Lehman Brothers - 9/16/2008 5:20:18 AM   
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"Privatizing" Social Security,... ie. giving all that money to Wall Street,doesn`t seem like such a good idea anymore.


Well, it depends on your age bracket. You can keep a pyramid scheme running indefinitely as long as you keep pulling in more suckers than you're losing. Privatizing SS could give the stock market another decade or so.

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