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bestbabync -> RE: It`s Official...Palin will NOT cooperate w/ Troopergate investigator. (9/16/2008 8:42:06 PM)

unfortunately the trooper was a member of the Governor's family, by marriage.  since she had direct knowledge of the troopers insanity, i feel she had an obligation to protect the citizens of Alaska by getting his crazy ass off the road.  he is a threat to everyone he encounters.  Governor Palin is to be commended for doing her job.




Sanity -> RE: It`s Official...Palin will NOT cooperate w/ Troopergate investigator. (9/16/2008 9:29:04 PM)

No, if she knows that a relative of hers is driving drunk in his police car, tasering innocent youngsters, illegally shooting wildlife and openly threatening to shoot people it's her duty as Governor to look the other way.

Otherwise she'd be corrupt, don't you know. [8|]




slvemike4u -> RE: It`s Official...Palin will NOT cooperate w/ Troopergate investigator. (9/16/2008 9:34:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bestbabync

unfortunately the trooper was a member of the Governor's family, by marriage.  since she had direct knowledge of the troopers insanity, i feel she had an obligation to protect the citizens of Alaska by getting his crazy ass off the road.  he is a threat to everyone he encounters.  Governor Palin is to be commended for doing her job.
No her duty as Governor precludes her from subverting the proper authority's in place to evaluate this troopers fitness for duty.Anything else and we are discussing(as it was pointed out to me,thanks Thadius)her alleged misuse of power.Powerful people are not allowed to circumnavigate the system just because they have a ring side seat or as in this case a vested interest...and is it not possible that vested interest colored her interpatation of his offences...would she be the best and most subjective judge of his fitness?




Vendaval -> RE: It`s Official...Palin will NOT cooperate w/ Troopergate investigator. (9/16/2008 9:44:46 PM)

You are correct, mike.  The Alaskan Governor and her husband needed to stay out of the process.  The appearance of a conflict of interest can lead to an investigation like we see here.  If is for this same reason that say a member of a city or county council should not contribute to legislation that directly concerns their property or business.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
There is a process in place for terminating this troopers employment,as Gov. if she tried to unduly influence or exerted pressure to subvert or bypass that process that is by definition Abuse of power.Whether or not the trooper in question is an asshole is irrelevant..hence the investigation!Of course the fact that her ex brother in law was involved in a custody batte with Palin's sister was all the more reason for her to keep her distance.....The appearence of impropriety and all!!!




MasterShake69 -> RE: It`s Official...Palin will NOT cooperate w/ Troopergate investigator. (9/16/2008 9:47:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: bestbabync

unfortunately the trooper was a member of the Governor's family, by marriage.  since she had direct knowledge of the troopers insanity, i feel she had an obligation to protect the citizens of Alaska by getting his crazy ass off the road.  he is a threat to everyone he encounters.  Governor Palin is to be commended for doing her job.
No her duty as Governor precludes her from subverting the proper authority's in place to evaluate this troopers fitness for duty.Anything else and we are discussing(as it was pointed out to me,thanks Thadius)her alleged misuse of power.Powerful people are not allowed to circumnavigate the system just because they have a ring side seat or as in this case a vested interest...and is it not possible that vested interest colored her interpatation of his offences...would she be the best and most subjective judge of his fitness?


This all you need to know about the investigation.  Why don't they replace the investigator?


Elton this week rebuffed a Republican attempt to have Sen. Hollis French, an Anchorage Democrat, replaced as head of the investigation. Van Flein wrote that both French and Branchflower are friends of Monegan but apparently failed to disclose those relationships to the Legislature. He did not say what he was basing those statements on or how he became aware of the tip line.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/10/AR2008091003202.html





Thadius -> RE: It`s Official...Palin will NOT cooperate w/ Troopergate investigator. (9/16/2008 9:50:41 PM)

Just one more little tid bit before I head to bed.

You do realize that there is an actual procedure and proper place to conduct this investigation, which is not in the state congress?  However that being said, I would suggest that you do a search for the emails that were released.  If there was something to shoot her down, I suggest that certain folks would have already leaked it to take all of the air out of the ticket.  Especially considering the impact of the last couple of weeks.

I will await the process and see where it leads before making a judgement on this one.

Night ya'll,
Thadius




MrRodgers -> RE: It`s Official...Palin will NOT cooperate w/ Troopergate investigator. (9/16/2008 9:51:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Palin in the end will be the death knell of McCain's candidacy....The sheer irresponsibility of choosing this 'hockey mom" to be a heart beat away...should give anyone pause,no matter what side of the aisle they stand on."I can see Russia from my house" ....Her "moose in the headlights" moment concerning the Bush Doctrine...her repetitive response to the one bullet point they had crammed down her throat concerning Israel....How can anyone in good conscious vote for McCain after he chose her ,in what appears to have been the singularly most cynical ,pandering and politically expedient manner...God Help The Republic if these people win!!!

I don't often say this mike but you have it cold and we need not change a word.




Vendaval -> RE: It`s Official...Palin will NOT cooperate w/ Troopergate investigator. (9/16/2008 9:51:47 PM)

Rest well, Thadius.




bestbabync -> RE: It`s Official...Palin will NOT cooperate w/ Troopergate investigator. (9/16/2008 9:52:24 PM)

i tell ya what!  if i knew that the Governor had knowledge that this crazy cop was tazing 10 year old kids, threatening to kill people and drinking alcohol while in his patrol vehicle.  The day after the Governor knows about all this,  the trooper runs a red light/driving while impaired and hits my car killing my children, i will sue and hold the Governor responsible!
come on.....Palin had to do something...she could not just sit back and ignore what this crazy man did to her family!




sweetnurseBBW -> RE: It`s Official...Palin will NOT cooperate w/ Troopergate investigator. (9/16/2008 9:55:35 PM)

Another link from another source to the story.

http://www.adn.com/palin/story/528049.html

http://www.adn.com/news/politics/story/528320.html




MrRodgers -> RE: It`s Official...Palin will NOT cooperate w/ Troopergate investigator. (9/16/2008 10:00:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

No, if she knows that a relative of hers is driving drunk in his police car, tasering innocent youngsters, illegally shooting wildlife and openly threatening to shoot people it's her duty as Governor to look the other way.

Otherwise she'd be corrupt, don't you know. [8|]

Hardly, any governor with such knowledge (if she knows it...others do too) would still then be required to pursue the case through channels obviously available to her...as governor. If she had done so in that manner...the whole episode would have stood her in good stead with respect to the law and in the public eye.

Look, I give every politician the benefit of the doubt when first approaching the job. It is up to them once there to prove they are diligent in their duties and according to the state requirements and the law.




Vendaval -> RE: It`s Official...Palin will NOT cooperate w/ Troopergate investigator. (9/16/2008 10:00:51 PM)

Thank you for the link, sweetnurse.  What I find very revealing is that the council is predominately Republican.  (bolded for emphasis)

"The Legislative Council, made up of four Democrats and eight Republicans, voted unanimously to investigate the circumstances of Monegan's dismissal. Although Monegan was an at-will employee who could be fired for almost any reason, lawmakers wanted to see whether Palin tried to use her office to settle a personal score with Wooten."




farglebargle -> RE: It`s Official...Palin will NOT cooperate w/ Troopergate investigator. (9/16/2008 10:01:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity

No, if she knows that a relative of hers is driving drunk in his police car, tasering innocent youngsters, illegally shooting wildlife and openly threatening to shoot people it's her duty as Governor to look the other way.

Otherwise she'd be corrupt, don't you know. [8|]


If she's aware of CRIMINAL ACTS, then it's her duty to report those CRIMINAL ACTS to the prosecutor with jurisdiction over those CRIMINAL ACTS.





slvemike4u -> RE: It`s Official...Palin will NOT cooperate w/ Troopergate investigator. (9/16/2008 10:11:50 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: bestbabync

i tell ya what!  if i knew that the Governor had knowledge that this crazy cop was tazing 10 year old kids, threatening to kill people and drinking alcohol while in his patrol vehicle.  The day after the Governor knows about all this,  the trooper runs a red light/driving while impaired and hits my car killing my children, i will sue and hold the Governor responsible!
come on.....Palin had to do something...she could not just sit back and ignore what this crazy man did to her family!
Well if we are going to take this into the realm of hypotheticals...would you be as unperturbed by the whole episode if the Governors sister was happily married and the Governor used her considerable influence to help retain this troopers job,despite his obvious shortcomings.....You do realise that is the other side of the coin don't you...If elected officials are allowed to use undue influence when you think it is wise and expediant ...please don't bitch when they use it for venal and malignant reasons...




Vendaval -> RE: It`s Official...Palin will NOT cooperate w/ Troopergate investigator. (9/17/2008 1:59:01 AM)

Thank you for stating the obvious, FB. 


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ORIGINAL: farglebargle
If she's aware of CRIMINAL ACTS, then it's her duty to report those CRIMINAL ACTS to the prosecutor with jurisdiction over those CRIMINAL ACTS.




SilverMark -> RE: It`s Official...Palin will NOT cooperate w/ Troopergate investigator. (9/17/2008 2:59:22 AM)

The brother in law is an ass...We all know that....the appearance of impropriety is the issue...The e-mails not withstanding the investigation was on-going prior to any of us really ever hearing of her.  If there is nothing to hide than there will be nothing found. The investigation is being conducted by the legislature of Alaska and I don't believe the ones involved in the investigation have changed. I would bet there are no laws broken but, the state legislature has the right to finish their job and as Governor she should co-operate or face the same sanctions any citizen of the state of Alaska would face. I see this thread as they all do concerning her has taken everyone off course once again. She has the right to answer the investigation, the legislature has the right to investigate. The leader of the state senate who seems to dislike her so much...just as an aside....is a Republican...
just an observation....





bestbabync -> RE: It`s Official...Palin will NOT cooperate w/ Troopergate investigator. (9/17/2008 7:33:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

quote:

ORIGINAL: bestbabync

i tell ya what!  if i knew that the Governor had knowledge that this crazy cop was tazing 10 year old kids, threatening to kill people and drinking alcohol while in his patrol vehicle.  The day after the Governor knows about all this,  the trooper runs a red light/driving while impaired and hits my car killing my children, i will sue and hold the Governor responsible!
come on.....Palin had to do something...she could not just sit back and ignore what this crazy man did to her family!
Well if we are going to take this into the realm of hypotheticals...would you be as unperturbed by the whole episode if the Governors sister was happily married and the Governor used her considerable influence to help retain this troopers job,despite his obvious shortcomings.....You do realise that is the other side of the coin don't you...If elected officials are allowed to use undue influence when you think it is wise and expediant ...please don't bitch when they use it for venal and malignant reasons...


slvemike4u,
i would not stand behind any politician that did not have the publics safety as their #1 priority.  no way would i agree if a politician tried to save his job because of personal interest.  but i feel that this man (carries a gun, drives a police car & has the power of arrest)  has problems and could be a threat to innocent people.  the Governor knew this firsthand and she acted on it.
i have heard the emails & the firing was not even related to Troopergate anyway.  just as SilverMark just stated.  we all have gotten off track.




subrob1967 -> RE: It`s Official...Palin will NOT cooperate w/ Troopergate investigator. (9/17/2008 8:24:39 AM)

Ok, as I understand it, Palin didn't have Wooten fired, in fact, he's still a Trooper.

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Palin fired public safety commissioner Walt Monegan in July. Weeks later, it emerged that Palin, her husband, Todd, and several high-level staffers had contacted Monegan about state trooper Mike Wooten, who had gone through a nasty divorce from Palin's sister before Palin became governor. While Monegan says no one from the administration ever told him directly to fire Wooten, he says their repeated contacts made it clear they wanted Wooten gone 

Palin maintains that she fired Monegan over budget disagreements, not because he wouldn't dismiss her ex-brother-in-law. Still, she said in July that she'd welcome and cooperate with the investigation ordered by the Legislative Council. McCain campaign spokesman Ed O'Callaghan now calls the investigation "tainted.". 

http://www.adn.com/palin/story/528049.html

Now, what laws did Palin break again?

same source
quote:


O'Callaghan said Monday that Sarah Palin, who was not subpoenaed, was unlikely to speak to Branchflower and that he didn't know if Todd Palin would challenge his subpoena. At the same time, the campaign released e-mails it claimed supported Sarah Palin's assertion that disagreements over budget were behind Monegan's firing.

Among the e-mails released was a farewell note by Monegan. In it, he suggested the governor had reason to believe she had lost his support, and he urged his former colleagues to communicate better with her.

"For anyone to lead effectively they must have the support of their team, and I had waited too long outside her door for her to believe that I supported her," he wrote. "Please, choose a different path."


In case you missed it when Thadius posted it.

More smoke and mirrors from the left...Hope-Change-barf




slvemike4u -> RE: It`s Official...Palin will NOT cooperate w/ Troopergate investigator. (9/17/2008 8:39:06 AM)

SubRob from the tenor and content of your post's pictures of Sarah with a smoking gun would mean nothing to you.If misuse of authority,if circumventing the review process if applying undue pressure to achieve a desired effect and than firing the official that does not bend to that pressure all adds up to smoke and mirrors...than you have probably been satisfied with the current administrations policies...and as is your right you will vote for more of the same....We really do get the government we deserve,all I and others can hope for is the majority care about transparency and dignity in our government...to read these threads our hopes seem baseless!




popeye1250 -> RE: It`s Official...Palin will NOT cooperate w/ Troopergate investigator. (9/17/2008 9:49:07 AM)

If this guy was driving around in a cruiser under the influence then his Sargeant or Lt. or Captain should have fired him on the spot!




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