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RE: love? - 9/17/2008 5:52:51 PM

subtex

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With a name like snugglepet I've got to think you're hoping for a lot of yes votes.

When I was first learning about the lifestyle I was conflicted because it seemed like the standard sub fantasies didn't have any room for love. When I was fantasizing about being a slave it was exciting but afterwards when I was sane I knew I couldn't live with no hope for love. Thankfully I met a few people who showed me by example that there was something infinitely more fulfilling than standard submissive fantasies. Now I'm living with the hope for love and I'll only give that up for actually living with love.
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RE: love? - 9/17/2008 6:31:35 PM

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yes.

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RE: love? - 9/17/2008 6:34:04 PM

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For some, not all need or or want it. It depends on the type of relationship.

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RE: love? - 9/17/2008 6:48:18 PM

Worldly1

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Usako

Nope, sorry. Once you're a slave you lose all rights a human being and have no right to feel anything at all unless told to. Love only exsists if your ALL POWERFUL OWNER tells you it can. Other than that you just be content with sitting naked in a cage until HE comes to check on you and use you since that's all a slave is good for.

Silly people, thinking that slaves have basic human rights....pfft.

HOLY CRAP!! Do people like this still exist??

You are a human being, so you are capable of love, no matter what some neanderthal might tell you otherwise.

Being a slave does not make you less than human. It merely describes the degree to which you are willing to be dominated, within a relationship of YOUR choosing.

Contrary to the beliefs of some, slaves can have rights and limits. If anyone disputes this fact, I encourage them to walk into Leather space and begin a discussion on this topic with a senior Leather slave. There will be an immediate and total attitude adjustment (not the slave's).

< Message edited by Worldly1 -- 9/17/2008 6:49:25 PM >

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RE: love? - 9/17/2008 6:54:20 PM

marieToo

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Love can exist for anyone. Slaves aren't made out of rock.

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RE: love? - 9/17/2008 7:33:21 PM

lizcgirl

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I'm my Master's slave because I love Him, not the other way around. I wouldn't surrender my will unless I loved and trusted Him completely. Every one is different though.

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RE: love? - 9/18/2008 5:16:39 AM

eyesopened

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define love

The English language is poorer for having a single word that can mean such completely different things. However, I understand that Japanese has no direct translation for the English word "love" and obviously the Japanese people experience the same breadth of emotions as anyone else.

Hearts and flowers romance? It exists for some slaves but not all. Affection? Usually but not always. Lust? Same answer. I could go on but I doubt I can answer your question. I have had wonderful, extremely fulfilling relationships without romance because that's what I wanted at the time. If the thinly veiled question is can you be a slave and have a romantic relationship then my advice is to simply choose to have the relationships you want. Don't choose a Master and wish he were different. I don't care what anyone says, a slave always has at least one choice, it is her choice as to who will be her Master.

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RE: love? - 9/18/2008 5:31:52 AM

RCdc

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quote:

ORIGINAL: snugglepet

Does love really exist for a slave?

[Yes.
What depth and what kind, depends on those involved in the individual dynamic.

the.dark.

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RE: love? - 9/18/2008 5:46:10 AM

Dnomyar

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I will go with sweetnurse on this one. Love is not wanted or expected in all relationships.

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RE: love? - 9/18/2008 7:25:52 AM

xoel

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It absolutely exists. i love the One who owns me through my core... and he loves me back, guides me and inspires me...

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RE: love? - 9/18/2008 7:51:56 AM

Aynne88

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Umm, quite cetain this was meant as sarcasm Wordly, read it again with that in mind.

As to the OP, absolutely. Actually I was a submissive until I spent time with Sir and fell hopelessly in love with him and he with me ( thankfully!

) and I soon realized with his guidance that I am his slave, not his submissive. So of course love exists in this M/s world, somtimes it is the catalyst that actually drives it, at least for us it is. If you want love in your dynamic, hold out for it, you will not be happy settling for less.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Worldly1

quote:

ORIGINAL: Usako

Nope, sorry. Once you're a slave you lose all rights a human being and have no right to feel anything at all unless told to. Love only exsists if your ALL POWERFUL OWNER tells you it can. Other than that you just be content with sitting naked in a cage until HE comes to check on you and use you since that's all a slave is good for.

Silly people, thinking that slaves have basic human rights....pfft.

HOLY CRAP!! Do people like this still exist??

You are a human being, so you are capable of love, no matter what some neanderthal might tell you otherwise.

Being a slave does not make you less than human. It merely describes the degree to which you are willing to be dominated, within a relationship of YOUR choosing.

Contrary to the beliefs of some, slaves can have rights and limits. If anyone disputes this fact, I encourage them to walk into Leather space and begin a discussion on this topic with a senior Leather slave. There will be an immediate and total attitude adjustment (not the slave's).

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RE: love? - 9/18/2008 8:15:36 AM

Mercnbeth

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quote:

ORIGINAL: snugglepet

Does love really exist for a slave?

yes, it can.

Master wrote this, just yesterday, to His slave:

quote:

Love, a word cheapened by common usage. The same emotion that goes into "I love LA!" can not have the same definition of the word I use, the thoughts and emotions behind; "I love you, beth!" I got to thinking that the concept is turned around. My feelings on the word love do not convey what I feel of you beth. More accurate is that 'beth' defines the meaning, my meaning, the thoughts and emotions I feel when using the word LOVE.

I look forward to tomorrow when I'll love you more than today.

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RE: love? - 9/18/2008 9:12:46 AM

sambamanslilgirl

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between a daughter and Daddy - yes

between a pet and Owner - yes

merely depends on the dynamic you're a part of....

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RE: love? - 9/18/2008 9:44:02 AM

servantheart

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quote:

ORIGINAL: eyesopened

define love

The English language is poorer for having a single word that can mean such completely different things. However, I understand that Japanese has no direct translation for the English word "love" and obviously the Japanese people experience the same breadth of emotions as anyone else.

Hearts and flowers romance? It exists for some slaves but not all. Affection? Usually but not always. Lust? Same answer. I could go on but I doubt I can answer your question. I have had wonderful, extremely fulfilling relationships without romance because that's what I wanted at the time. If the thinly veiled question is can you be a slave and have a romantic relationship then my advice is to simply choose to have the relationships you want. Don't choose a Master and wish he were different. I don't care what anyone says, a slave always has at least one choice, it is her choice as to who will be her Master.

Excellent answer

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RE: love? - 9/18/2008 3:20:30 PM

littleone35

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I am a sub not a slave but i will chime in anyway. I love my Master more and more with each pasing season. Loving him has given me great happiness. What makes it even better is that he loves me also. I would guess it is the same that slaves could love their owners and be loved in return if that is the relationship they wish.

Matt's littleone

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RE: love? - 9/18/2008 3:28:36 PM

VampiresLair

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quote:

ORIGINAL: snugglepet

Does love really exist for a slave?

That depends on what sort of love, and realy what sort of slave.
Fox is my slave and we are very much in love. We are in that perpetual butterflies in the stomach when they are arriving, fireworks when we kiss love and have been for a year now.
I loved Angel whe he was mine, about the same as I do now although he is the Dom in his new relationship and definately not my slave any longer. That sort of love is more the love of good friends than it ever was of something more.
I love my fish, I love my car...

So, which of those sorts of love are you curious about?

DV

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RE: love? - 9/19/2008 7:18:14 PM

Zechriel

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Good evening!
I never considered myself a slave until my second Master said."you are a slave b/c everyone else's happiness comes first to you. You are not satisfied until everyone else is taken care of by you." So okay, I live with that. but I need to love and BE loved. So I found Daddy, and boy I love him to death. He loves me as a woman, a slave, a baby girl, even when I am most bratty, I know he loves me. I could not truly unleash myself or give myself over unless I knew that I was loved and cared for as least as much as I love him. That is why I cannot just play or have my service be all about sex, I need to be cherished and loved and I need to be allowed to do the same and have the same feelings for him.
I know I am more spoiled than most but I think to each his own and hopefully if you are searching for love in your realtionship, that you find it. Good luck!!
Love,
Zechriel

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RE: love? - 9/30/2008 8:13:19 PM

boytoyinatlanta

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can't be a real slave if you don't love the Dominant

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RE: love? - 10/1/2008 3:07:58 AM

RCdc

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quote:

ORIGINAL: boytoyinatlanta

can't be a real slave if you don't love the Dominant

Except when you are when you do not.

the.dark.

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RE: love? - 10/1/2008 5:00:50 AM

WhiplashSmile2

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Usako

Nope, sorry. Once you're a slave you lose all rights a human being and have no right to feel anything at all unless told to. Love only exsists if your ALL POWERFUL OWNER tells you it can. Other than that you just be content with sitting naked in a cage until HE comes to check on you and use you since that's all a slave is good for.

Silly people, thinking that slaves have basic human rights....pfft.

Slaves are human? since when? God, I thought they just wanted to become mere objects of heavy sexual use and abuse. You know living blow up dolls without a mind and operated by a battery power remote control in their owners hands.

Honestly, slaves are human and it's possible for love to exist. Some people want loving relationships, and some people could care less about it. It all depends upon the needs, wants and desire of two people in a D/s or M/s relationship, or any relationship period.

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