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Public Humiliation, Play, and SEX - 9/17/2008 2:08:54 PM   
Hime


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Status: offline 		Kink.com will be launching a new site called "Public Disgrace" soon -- which will feature Humiliation, BDSM Play, and Sex in Public.  Personally, I have very mixed feelings about Public Play to the level that Kink.com is pushing it.  On one hand, I know that exhibitionism and/or flaunting ones Power/Control can be exhilarating.  And yet, I can't help but feel that Kink.com's new site is taking it way too far.  In many ways I see it as selfish and inconsiderate.  Kink.com's mission statement includes "Safe, Sane, and Consensual" and, in my opinion there is absolutely nothing consensual about the "general public" stumbling across a chick with her hand up another girls ass or, catching a guy shooting his load on a her face.

Public Disgrace's sample trailer shows that this site is not about sneaking and trying to avoid getting caught -- It's about in your face whether you choose it or not public sexual exhibitionism.

What are you opinions on this level of exhibitionism?
Is this too far? yes or no - and why?
Do people have a right to involve the general public in their kinks?


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RE: Public Humiliation, Play, and SEX - 9/17/2008 2:10:29 PM   
Hime


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RE: Public Humiliation, Play, and SEX - 9/17/2008 2:12:23 PM   
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Surely it is staged.

Just as www.straighthell.net isn't really straight guys being duped totally against their will into being tortured and humiliated on cam by agreeing for "work" and then realizing they are to be pissed on and fucked in the ass with a jackhammer.

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RE: Public Humiliation, Play, and SEX - 9/17/2008 7:39:21 PM   
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Umm, the back of your dress is tucked into your panty hose.

But the tail of trailing toilet paper does distract from it.

Ooooo I know, maybe we could put it on Kink.com!

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RE: Public Humiliation, Play, and SEX - 9/17/2008 9:37:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hime
What are you opinions on this level of exhibitionism?
Is this too far? yes or no - and why?
Do people have a right to involve the general public in their kinks?


I am not in favor of public play. Over time, I have become more tolerant of it after hearing from those who engage in it, and have begun to allow for a grey area between what is fair game and what is too much. Still, I think it should be done in a way that is responsible and ethical with respect to bystanders; I am not optimistic about the same in the upcoming site. I expect their focus will be more on making money than on worrying about the bystanders and the preview photos suggest the same..

Cheers,

Sea.

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RE: Public Humiliation, Play, and SEX - 9/17/2008 9:39:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have serious doubts that it is actually going to be public. For one, they cannot film random bystanders and put them on a video without consent, and forms, etc.

Most likely the 'public' will be just extras on the set.


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RE: Public Humiliation, Play, and SEX - 9/17/2008 9:40:35 PM   
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Surely it is staged.


Have you seen the photos? What do you make of photos that are taken outside on a street?

Cheers,

Sea

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RE: Public Humiliation, Play, and SEX - 9/17/2008 9:52:53 PM   
MasterKalif


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Status: offline 		actually....I have to say I am biased because I liked the website, I find it new and I like it...turns me on I suppose, lol. Keep in mind, judging from the trailer at tha graffiti, look of the buildings, cars and people that it was filmed in some Eastern European country, one of the ex-soviet bloc countries. Also its possible they filmed in some poorer areas and perhaps they sectioned off parts of the street except for certain by-standers...or maybe its presented as a form of "free expression" to the locals who are more tolerant of these things after years of government control. Probably did not take in place in Poland which is still very devoutly Catholic, I am willing to guess in Czech rep. or poorer Slovakia, or better yet, Moldova, one of the poorest of the Eastern European countries. Again this based purely on the images, which is very little to go by.

While it is "on your face" as adults its nothing too shocking, and the girls are nice, so I am not going to complain but rather enjoy the eye candy  also some fun ideas could come off from it

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RE: Public Humiliation, Play, and SEX - 9/17/2008 9:55:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lynnxz
I have serious doubts that it is actually going to be public. For one, they cannot film random bystanders and put them on a video without consent, and forms, etc.

Most likely the 'public' will be just extras on the set.


Knowing about past instances of public play makes me think it would not be extraordinary for someone to pursue such a project without staging it.

I am fairly certain they will not need consent forms for anyone who is in the background in a public place such as a street. Their risk is more towards the authorities showing up and having to deal with associated hassles.

They might include extras for effect to get the response they wish to see. Even if persons in the image are extras, I doubt they would be able to control who else is in the near vicinity and able to see what is occurring.

Cheers,

Sea

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RE: Public Humiliation, Play, and SEX - 9/17/2008 10:08:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterKalif
Keep in mind, judging from the trailer at tha graffiti, look of the buildings, cars and people that it was filmed in some Eastern European country, one of the ex-soviet bloc countries. Also its possible they filmed in some poorer areas and perhaps they sectioned off parts of the street except for certain by-standers...or maybe its presented as a form of "free expression" to the locals who are more tolerant of these things after years of government control.


I see your point that they would likely pick places where there is a smaller likelihood of a reaction or trouble with the authorities.

Cheers,

Sea

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RE: Public Humiliation, Play, and SEX - 9/18/2008 12:40:48 AM   
Hime


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Status: offline 		I have no doubt that Public Disgrace is not staged.  Princess Donna (the Dominant in the Trailer -- whose work I've enjoyed in the past) has performed outdoor and public play many times on Wired Pussy (it seems to be "her thing" ) but, never to the extreme that is shown on the Public Disgrace site.  I agree, that it appears that kink.com is shooting somewhere in Europe; where laws for public sex may not be in place (or they're very lax)  Either way -- in my opinion, just because something is allowed....doesn't make it right.

Princess Donna in S.F. *CLICK HERE*


I would certainly like to hear more opinions on this.

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RE: Public Humiliation, Play, and SEX - 9/18/2008 5:52:34 PM   
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I would certainly like to hear more opinions on this.

~xoxo





For me, it would bother me if children or seniors were subjected to things like that in public. For those 18-65 I wouldn't worry as much, but it is still poor taste (albeit a turn on for some).

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RE: Public Humiliation, Play, and SEX - 9/18/2008 10:13:12 PM   
khem


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Status: offline 		Budapest.  As a regular kink.com fan, I found a forum where it was discussed.  The social norms of nudity and sexuality are, according the the comments, very different than the US.  Apparently, a number of their models actually live in that neck of the woods too. I'm not sure if I can post a link to the discussion here, but the issue of consent and such has come up and been talked about on the site.

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RE: Public Humiliation, Play, and SEX - 9/18/2008 11:15:47 PM   
boy4you2use


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Status: offline 		I, too, have noticed the new ads for publicdiscrace.  And, my initial reaction was that it was not staged, but had to be in a poor European country. I think khem must know the most about it. I didn't know about the discussion url, but that would be interesting.  About laws...I doubt anyone cares much.  With the globalization of organized crime it would be easy for a small camera crew to simply buy some time on any given street corner from any small time pusher.  Check out the Time May 08 issue.
About my thoughts on "should be"...heck no!  Some old timer or child walking by...possibly completely out of camera shot....sounds and line of sight carry much further for humans than cameras.  Maybe someone will ruin some shoots with waterbaloons.  Now, that would be non-viloent protesting....fun, right?

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RE: Public Humiliation, Play, and SEX - 9/19/2008 2:29:45 AM   
Hime


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Status: offline 		Thanks Khem for the heads up -- I just read through the other discussion.
A simple google search for the words Public Disgrace and Kink.com will bring up results to the discussion that khem is referring to.

According to one of the PR people for Kink, they are...."as mindful as possible" of the people around.

I say *cough cough....bullshit*  because, I see nothing "mindful" about tying a gagged-topless girl to a tree as bumper to bumper traffic inches past, where drivers (and possibly underage passengers) are forced to take notice.  --  And, I see nothing "mindful" about having sex in an outdoor stairway as passersby unknowingly become participants in someone else's exhibitionism kink.  

I guess I'm perturbed and a bit disappointed because, I've always been such a huge fan of Peter Ackworth's work.  But....this new website is NOT entirely "Consensual or Ethical".  As someone pointed out in the other discussion (which whom I agree with) this new website is a total contradiction to Kink's Mission Statement and Values.  It's apparent that they've lost sight of those Values and are now focused entirely on money.  

Thanks for everyone's input - I appreciate it.


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RE: Public Humiliation, Play, and SEX - 9/19/2008 6:20:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		I will admit I enjoyed the preview I found it erotic and extreme.  As for the ethics or morals....... this is the gray area I find myself in frequently. Can this type of thing be done in a safe and sane and respectful way. yes it can. Is that happening, probably not.  When I have been involved with film work in the past we frequently purchased streets for a day/evening/few hours.  Whenever we did so we locked down the street and only allowed the actors and extras there. This applies to foot traffic as well as vehicles. It is certainly possible for me to buy the street in budahpest. lock it down for a few hours. block the view of the scene from everyone not involved with the exception of the people in the buildings. i could notify the people in the building about the nature of the scene 24hrs in advance. Giving them the oportunity to watch or not. Under those circumstances I feel it would be ethical and moral, and most of all consensual.  Do I think kink is doing that? ummmm no. will i continue to find erotica of this nature enjoyable? yes

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RE: Public Humiliation, Play, and SEX - 9/19/2008 6:55:17 AM   
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Surely it is staged.

Just as www.straighthell.net isn't really straight guys being duped totally against their will into being tortured and humiliated on cam by agreeing for "work" and then realizing they are to be pissed on and fucked in the ass with a jackhammer.

Akasha


Dammit AAkasha,  now I'll never get out of my house today!

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RE: Public Humiliation, Play, and SEX - 9/19/2008 7:13:32 AM   
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Frankly, I don't see the big uproar. Plenty of people do things around us all day long that impinge on personal freedoms, tastes, rights, morals, etc. all day long that we don't consent to being exposed to. The mother breast feeding her toddler on a train. The man smoking a cigarette as he walks by you. A car rolls past playing music with obscene lyrics.

Who are you to judge right and wrong? Especially on a site you visited without coercion? There's a great deal of power you can wield. Simply surf elsewhere. You can pick this to death but the fact remains... You chose to be there. *shrugs* Reminds me of people watching car accidents.


Stay safe, play nice, & share your toys w/ others...





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RE: Public Humiliation, Play, and SEX - 9/19/2008 8:02:37 AM   
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Surely it is staged.

Just as www.straighthell.net isn't really straight guys being duped totally against their will into being tortured and humiliated on cam by agreeing for "work" and then realizing they are to be pissed on and fucked in the ass with a jackhammer.

Akasha


Dammit AAkasha,  now I'll never get out of my house today!


Yeah straighthell is mega hot :) I have wasted many hours there...

Akasha


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RE: Public Humiliation, Play, and SEX - 9/19/2008 10:07:41 AM   
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Also its possible they filmed in some poorer areas and perhaps they sectioned off parts of the street except for certain by-standers...or maybe its presented as a form of "free expression" to the locals who are more tolerant of these things after years of government control.


More tolerant, or too poor and powerless to do anything about it.

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