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JerryFrankster -> Add one more crazy preacher to the presidential pile. (9/18/2008 3:18:07 PM)

Palin linked electoral success to prayer of Kenyan witchhunter

The pastor whose prayer Sarah Palin says helped her to become governor of Alaska founded his ministry with a witchhunt against a Kenyan woman who he accused of causing car accidents through demonic spells.

At a speech at the Wasilla Assembly of God on June 8 this year, Mrs Palin described how Thomas Muthee had laid his hands on her when he visited the church as a guest preacher in late 2005, prior to her successful gubernatorial bid.

In video footage of the speech, she is seen saying: “As I was mayor and Pastor Muthee was here and he was praying over me, and you know how he speaks and he’s so bold. And he was praying “Lord make a way, Lord make a way.”

“And I’m thinking, this guy’s really bold, he doesn’t even know what I’m going to do, he doesn’t know what my plans are. And he’s praying not “oh Lord if it be your will may she become governor,” no, he just prayed for it. He said “Lord make a way and let her do this next step. And that’s exactly what happened.”

She then adds: “So, again, very very powerful, coming from this church,” before the presiding pastor comments on the “prophetic power” of the event.

An African evangelist, Pastor Muthee has given guest sermons at the Wasilla Assembly of God on at least 10 occasions in his role as the founder of the Word of Faith Church, also known as the Prayer Cave.

Pastor Muthee founded the Prayer Cave in 1989 in Kiambu, Kenya after “God spoke” to him and his late wife Margaret and called him to the country, according to the church’s website.

The pastor speaks of his offensive against a demonic presence in the town in a trailer for the evangelical video “Transformations”, made by Sentinel Group, a Christian research and information agency.

“We prayed, we fasted, the Lord showed us a spirit of witchcraft resting over the place,” Pastor Muthee says.

After the spirit was broken, the crime rate dropped to almost zero and there was “explosive church growth” while almost every bar in the town closed down, the video says.

The full Transformations video featuring Pastor Muthee’s story has recently been removed from YouTube but the rest of the story is detailed in a 1999 article in the Christian Science Monitor, as well as on numerous evangelical websites.

According to the Christian Science Monitor, six months of fervent prayer and research identified the source of the witchcraft as a local woman called Mama Jane, who ran a “divination” centre called the Emmanuel Clinic.

Her alleged involvement in fortune-telling and the fact that she lived near the site of a number of fatal car accidents led Pastor Muthee to publicly declare her a witch responsible for the town’s ills, and order her to offer her up her soul for salvation or leave Kiambu.

Says the Monitor, “Muthee held a crusade that “brought about 200 people to Christ”.” They set up round-the-clock prayer intercession in the basement of a grocery store and eventually, says the pastor “the demonic influence – the ‘principality’ over Kiambu –was broken”, and Mama Jane fled the town.

According to accounts of the witchhunt circulated on evangelical websites such as Prayer Links Ministries, after Pastor Muthee declared Mama Jane a witch, the townspeople became suspicious and began to turn on her, demanding that she be stoned. Public outrage eventually led the police to raid her home, where they fired gunshots, killing a pet python which they believed to be a demon.

After Mama Jane was questioned by police – and released – she decided it was time to leave town, the account says.

Pastor Muthee has frequently referred to this witchhunt in his sermons as an example of the power of “spiritual warfare”. In October 2005, he delivered ten sermons at the Wasilla Assembly of God, the audio of which was available on the church’s website until it was removed around the time Mrs Palin’s candidacy was announced. The blog Irregular Times has listings and screen grabs of the sermons.

It was during that these sermons that Mrs Palin, who was then preparing for her gubernatorial run, was anointed by Pastor Muthee. His intercession, she says, was “awesome”.

Her June 8 speech was to mark the graduation of students from the Wasilla Assembly of God’s Masters’ Commission, which, as Pastor Ed Kalins explains, believes Alaska will be the refuge for American evangelicals upon the coming “End of Days”. After her speech, Mrs Palin was presented with an honorary Masters’ Commission diploma.


http://timesonline.typepad.com/uselections/2008/09/palin-linked-el.html




DomKen -> RE: Add one more crazy preacher to the presidential pile. (9/18/2008 3:22:23 PM)

Yeah, that's a person I want a heartbeat away from the nuclear football.




DomMeinCT -> RE: Add one more crazy preacher to the presidential pile. (9/18/2008 3:49:18 PM)

Alaska will be the refuge for American evangelicals upon the coming “End of Days”
 
They'll have to wrestle with Idaho for that job.  [:D]




popeye1250 -> RE: Add one more crazy preacher to the presidential pile. (9/18/2008 4:02:25 PM)

This is only one reason I think "religions" should be illegal in the U.S.
We need to have a Constitutional Convention and change a "few" things!




DomKen -> RE: Add one more crazy preacher to the presidential pile. (9/18/2008 5:42:01 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

This is only one reason I think "religions" should be illegal in the U.S.
We need to have a Constitutional Convention and change a "few" things!

Yet you repeatedly say you're voting for the Constitution Party, refuge for the religious reich nutters too extreme for the GOP.




Missokyst -> RE: Add one more crazy preacher to the presidential pile. (9/18/2008 7:20:59 PM)

Sounds like bad ju-ju to me.




kittinSol -> RE: Add one more crazy preacher to the presidential pile. (9/18/2008 7:24:45 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: JerryFrankster

At a speech at the Wasilla Assembly of God on June 8 this year, Mrs Palin described how Thomas Muthee had laid his hands on her when he visited the church as a guest preacher in late 2005, prior to her successful gubernatorial bid.



Guberwhat?!




corysub -> RE: Add one more crazy preacher to the presidential pile. (9/18/2008 7:27:24 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: JerryFrankster

Palin linked electoral success to prayer of Kenyan witchhunter

The pastor whose prayer Sarah Palin says helped her to become governor of Alaska founded his ministry with a witchhunt against a Kenyan woman who he accused of causing car accidents through demonic spells.

At a speech at the Wasilla Assembly of God on June 8 this year, Mrs Palin described how Thomas Muthee had laid his hands on her when he visited the church as a guest preacher in late 2005, prior to her successful gubernatorial bid.

In video footage of the speech, she is seen saying: “As I was mayor and Pastor Muthee was here and he was praying over me, and you know how he speaks and he’s so bold. And he was praying “Lord make a way, Lord make a way.”

“And I’m thinking, this guy’s really bold, he doesn’t even know what I’m going to do, he doesn’t know what my plans are. And he’s praying not “oh Lord if it be your will may she become governor,” no, he just prayed for it. He said “Lord make a way and let her do this next step. And that’s exactly what happened.”

She then adds: “So, again, very very powerful, coming from this church,” before the presiding pastor comments on the “prophetic power” of the event.

An African evangelist, Pastor Muthee has given guest sermons at the Wasilla Assembly of God on at least 10 occasions in his role as the founder of the Word of Faith Church, also known as the Prayer Cave.

Pastor Muthee founded the Prayer Cave in 1989 in Kiambu, Kenya after “God spoke” to him and his late wife Margaret and called him to the country, according to the church’s website.

The pastor speaks of his offensive against a demonic presence in the town in a trailer for the evangelical video “Transformations”, made by Sentinel Group, a Christian research and information agency.

“We prayed, we fasted, the Lord showed us a spirit of witchcraft resting over the place,” Pastor Muthee says.

After the spirit was broken, the crime rate dropped to almost zero and there was “explosive church growth” while almost every bar in the town closed down, the video says.

The full Transformations video featuring Pastor Muthee’s story has recently been removed from YouTube but the rest of the story is detailed in a 1999 article in the Christian Science Monitor, as well as on numerous evangelical websites.

According to the Christian Science Monitor, six months of fervent prayer and research identified the source of the witchcraft as a local woman called Mama Jane, who ran a “divination” centre called the Emmanuel Clinic.

Her alleged involvement in fortune-telling and the fact that she lived near the site of a number of fatal car accidents led Pastor Muthee to publicly declare her a witch responsible for the town’s ills, and order her to offer her up her soul for salvation or leave Kiambu.

Says the Monitor, “Muthee held a crusade that “brought about 200 people to Christ”.” They set up round-the-clock prayer intercession in the basement of a grocery store and eventually, says the pastor “the demonic influence – the ‘principality’ over Kiambu –was broken”, and Mama Jane fled the town.

According to accounts of the witchhunt circulated on evangelical websites such as Prayer Links Ministries, after Pastor Muthee declared Mama Jane a witch, the townspeople became suspicious and began to turn on her, demanding that she be stoned. Public outrage eventually led the police to raid her home, where they fired gunshots, killing a pet python which they believed to be a demon.

After Mama Jane was questioned by police – and released – she decided it was time to leave town, the account says.

Pastor Muthee has frequently referred to this witchhunt in his sermons as an example of the power of “spiritual warfare”. In October 2005, he delivered ten sermons at the Wasilla Assembly of God, the audio of which was available on the church’s website until it was removed around the time Mrs Palin’s candidacy was announced. The blog Irregular Times has listings and screen grabs of the sermons.

It was during that these sermons that Mrs Palin, who was then preparing for her gubernatorial run, was anointed by Pastor Muthee. His intercession, she says, was “awesome”.

Her June 8 speech was to mark the graduation of students from the Wasilla Assembly of God’s Masters’ Commission, which, as Pastor Ed Kalins explains, believes Alaska will be the refuge for American evangelicals upon the coming “End of Days”. After her speech, Mrs Palin was presented with an honorary Masters’ Commission diploma.


http://timesonline.typepad.com/uselections/2008/09/palin-linked-el.html


Do you know how I can reach this Kenyan witch doctor?  I can use all the help I can get.
Does he have a web page or blog on Daily Kos?





slvemike4u -> RE: Add one more crazy preacher to the presidential pile. (9/18/2008 8:36:03 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

Yeah, that's a person I want a heartbeat away from the nuclear football.
WTF is going on in Alaska that they elected this woman Gov. in the first place,thats whose fault this is.Poor McCain didn't figure he needed to vett her,the voters of Alaska had surely done that before electing her ...didn't they?




JerryFrankster -> RE: Add one more crazy preacher to the presidential pile. (9/18/2008 8:36:21 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol

quote:

ORIGINAL: JerryFrankster

At a speech at the Wasilla Assembly of God on June 8 this year, Mrs Palin described how Thomas Muthee had laid his hands on her when he visited the church as a guest preacher in late 2005, prior to her successful gubernatorial bid.



Guberwhat?!


He laid his hands on her Guber, and now she's going to be the first Transvestite Vice president.

Didn't you heard?




MissSCD -> RE: Add one more crazy preacher to the presidential pile. (9/18/2008 8:42:40 PM)

I am a strong believer that church and state should be separate.   This is bizzare, and I am going to check into it.
Assembly of God is Holliness, and the last thing they would ever even think about is a witch.
For those who wish religions were not apart of this country, we wish you all had your own planet as well.
Good day.

SCD




Thadius -> RE: Add one more crazy preacher to the presidential pile. (9/18/2008 8:45:21 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

Yeah, that's a person I want a heartbeat away from the nuclear football.
WTF is going on in Alaska that they elected this woman Gov. in the first place,thats whose fault this is.Poor McCain didn't figure he needed to vett her,the voters of Alaska had surely done that before electing her ...didn't they?


I really can't comment much on this one... I just look at some of the folks my fellow Michiganders have elected and can only shake my head.  That is part of the reason I left Illinois, look who the fuck we put in the Senate.

Just sayin,
Thadius




MissSCD -> RE: Add one more crazy preacher to the presidential pile. (9/18/2008 8:50:20 PM)

Jerry,
 
We need the  link to this article.  I am an Obama follower, but I will support anyone's attempt at their religious freedom.
Nothing in the net that I have read indicates anything about witchcraft.  She attends a lot of Pentecostal churches, and I am Pentecostal as well.   She believes the traditional Christian belief with the except of speaking in tounges.  She has to have the gift to speak in tounges.
Most people do not have that.
 
I am going to defend her this time.
 
Regards, SCD




slvemike4u -> RE: Add one more crazy preacher to the presidential pile. (9/18/2008 9:45:09 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Thadius

quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

Yeah, that's a person I want a heartbeat away from the nuclear football.
WTF is going on in Alaska that they elected this woman Gov. in the first place,thats whose fault this is.Poor McCain didn't figure he needed to vett her,the voters of Alaska had surely done that before electing her ...didn't they?


I really can't comment much on this one... I just look at some of the folks my fellow Michiganders have elected and can only shake my head.  That is part of the reason I left Illinois, look who the fuck we put in the Senate.

Just sayin,
Thadius
Okay,that one was funny....
not has funny as electing this "hockey mom" Governor...or heaven forbid Vice-President...but funny haha funny....




MmeGigs -> RE: Add one more crazy preacher to the presidential pile. (9/18/2008 10:52:12 PM)

That Sarah Palin is a member of the Assembly of God church is a fact.  That the Assembly of God church is Pentecostal (fundamentalist) and evangelical is also a fact.  To assume that Palin shares completely the views of her church and its leaders would be pretty silly.  We know that she shares their anti-abortion, anti-gay agenda, but to tie her in to this witch-hunt thing is ridiculous.

The same goes for Obama and McCain and their religious affiliations, and will also go for Biden whenever the scandal about his pastor/preacher/priest comes up, assuming he has a pastor/preacher/priest, which he must since it's pretty much a prerequisite for executive office.  If you're going for legislature, you can expand that list to include rabbi, imam, what-have-you.  If you're an atheist or agnostic and aspiring to public office, you'd better get yourself some religion real quick.

There are a lot of folks out there who belong to a church but don't agree completely with its doctrine or with the teachings of their church's spiritual leader.  From what I've read about Sarah Palin, it seems while her religious beliefs are stong, her political ambition is even stronger.  I don't mean that as a slam against her - in order to be a politician in the US today, you have to be ambitious and goal oriented.  You also have to be a bit ethically flexible, and I think that she is.  The political pendulum is starting to swing back as folks are feeling the pain of rightie excesses, just as the pain of leftie excesses made the pendulum start swinging back in the 70's and 80's.  If the McCain/Palin ticket doesn't win this Nov, I'd be willing to bet we'll see a somewhat more centrist Palin in the running for 2012.




DomKen -> RE: Add one more crazy preacher to the presidential pile. (9/18/2008 11:13:06 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Thadius

quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

Yeah, that's a person I want a heartbeat away from the nuclear football.
WTF is going on in Alaska that they elected this woman Gov. in the first place,thats whose fault this is.Poor McCain didn't figure he needed to vett her,the voters of Alaska had surely done that before electing her ...didn't they?


I really can't comment much on this one... I just look at some of the folks my fellow Michiganders have elected and can only shake my head.  That is part of the reason I left Illinois, look who the fuck we put in the Senate.

Just sayin,
Thadius

Actually we've had a pretty good run of Senators. Simon was top knotch. Durbin is getting the job done. Obama replaced Peter Fitzgerald who turned out to be a lot better than I expected and would have likely gotten my vote if he had run for re-election. Fitzgerald replace Carol Mosely-Braun who got a lot of bad press but did an overall good job. Dixon can never be forgiven for voting to put Thomas on the bench but does have the distinction of being the victim of Karl Rove's very first political dirty trick.




Vendaval -> RE: Add one more crazy preacher to the presidential pile. (9/18/2008 11:27:24 PM)

General Reply -
 
About the only thing missing from this election circus is snake handling.

A quick explanation from Wikipedia below -
 

"Those espousing the snake handling practice base their belief upon Mark 16:17-18. Based upon this passage, church services often include not only the handling of venomous snakes (usually copperheads and rattlesnakes), but also handling fire and drinking water laced with strychnine, arsenic, or some other poisonous substance. Some of their churches even handle scorpions. Several investigations have concluded that many congregants do indeed ingest poisoned water.[citation needed]

Rags soaked in kerosene are ignited and placed in glass jars or empty soda bottles. Then they are passed around for any of the faithful who feel so inclined to touch them by slowly passing their hands through the flames or under their chins for several seconds."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_handling




SilverMark -> RE: Add one more crazy preacher to the presidential pile. (9/19/2008 5:47:40 AM)

I only handled my snake in church once....then my mom found the hole in my pocket and sewed it up.




sirsholly -> RE: Add one more crazy preacher to the presidential pile. (9/19/2008 5:50:17 AM)

*spews coffee*




slaveboyforyou -> RE: Add one more crazy preacher to the presidential pile. (9/19/2008 6:02:57 AM)

quote:

I really can't comment much on this one... I just look at some of the folks my fellow Michiganders have elected and can only shake my head.  That is part of the reason I left Illinois, look who the fuck we put in the Senate.

Just sayin,
Thadius


Don't feel too bad.  There is a sign on every major road coming into my town that reads, "Hometown of President Bill Clinton."  All of them have bullet holes in them. 




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