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Mercnbeth -> RE: White Privilege (9/19/2008 10:35:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Hmm, no-one can direct me to the "White Priviledge" office.
I had no problems getting directions to the military recruiter's office though.
Could it be that "White Priviledge" doesn't extend to working class white people?
The Kennedys, Bushs, and Clintons all seem to have "White Priviledge" but they don't seem to want to share it with the working class.
Funny some people trying to tell me that I have something that I don't have.
"White Priviledge."
It must be next door to the "Mansion" that I don't have!
These are the *same* people trying to tell me "Global Warming" exists too.
And the *same* people trying to tell me that the "U.N." is a "good" thing.
And the *same* people trying to tell me that a global socialist leftist president would be a "good" thing for the U.S.
I wonder if these *same* people sell used cars for a living?



You ate a fine batch of spinach this morning, Popeye, my friend....preach on, brother!



kittinSol -> RE: White Privilege (9/19/2008 10:38:56 AM)

Did you actually read the link cloudboy posted?



celticlord2112 -> RE: White Privilege (9/19/2008 11:14:57 AM)

The article is crap.

White priviledge is crap.

That is all there is to say about it.



MadAxeman -> RE: White Privilege (9/19/2008 11:49:58 AM)

But we won't have the damned Catholics.
Blazing Saddles.



Vendaval -> RE: White Privilege (9/19/2008 12:32:44 PM)

Ever hear the term, "red-lining"?
 
Here is the brief explanation from Wikipedia -
(emphasis mine)

"The term "redlining" was coined in the late 1960s by community activists in Chicago. It describes the practice of marking a red line on a map to delineate the area where banks would not invest; later the term was applied to discrimination against a particular group of people (usually by race or sex), no matter the geography. During the heyday of redlining these areas were most frequently black inner city neighborhoods. Later, through at least the 1990s, this discrimination involved lending to lower-income whites, but not to middle- or upper-income blacks. (ref: Immergluck, Dedman.)"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250
And in the U.S. no-one is "consigned" to live anywhere.
They may do that in Europe but not here.
You can live wherever you want that you can afford.
No-one's "forcing" anyone to live in a ghetto.



Vendaval -> RE: White Privilege (9/19/2008 12:41:59 PM)

slaveboy,
 
I know this was a reply to slavemike but here is my take on the situation.  As a small female who is often about alone at night I pay close attention to anyone who is either near the ATM machine where I bank or footsteps behind me on the way home.  Their color or clothing is not an issue, rather their level of sobriety or drunkeness.


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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
You can't tell me for one minute that you don't think twice about going to the ATM machine at night when you see a group of young black males in the parking lot. 



meatcleaver -> RE: White Privilege (9/19/2008 12:45:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Hmm, no-one can direct me to the "White Priviledge" office.
I had no problems getting directions to the military recruiter's office though.
Could it be that "White Priviledge" doesn't extend to working class white people?
The Kennedys, Bushs, and Clintons all seem to have "White Priviledge" but they don't seem to want to share it with the working class.
Funny some people trying to tell me that I have something that I don't have.
"White Priviledge."
It must be next door to the "Mansion" that I don't have!
These are the *same* people trying to tell me "Global Warming" exists too.
And the *same* people trying to tell me that the "U.N." is a "good" thing.
And the *same* people trying to tell me that a global socialist leftist president would be a "good" thing for the U.S.
I wonder if these *same* people sell used cars for a living?



You ate a fine batch of spinach this morning, Popeye, my friend....preach on, brother!


But he wasn't marched to the local state penitentiary. Black males are regularly given harsher senstences than white. If you are black and in the south, there is a good chance you'll get stuffed for a murder you didn't do too.

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2000/usa/Rcedrg00-01.htm

The rate at which black men are incarcerated is astonishing. There are 4,630 black men in prison nationwide per 100,000 black men in the population, whereas the rate for white men is 482.28 In ten states and the District of Columbia, black men are incarcerated at staggeringly high rates that range from 5,740 to 7,859 per 100,000. In contrast, the range among the ten states with the highest rates of white male incarceration is 620 to 1,151. The highest rate of white male incarceration (1,151) is lower than the lowest rate of black male incarceration (1,195). According to Department of Justice calculations, if current rates of incarceration remain unchanged, 28.5 percent of black men will be confined in prison at least once during their lifetime, a figure six times greater than that for white men.29 
 
http://www.thestar.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=3803935


http://home.kc.rr.com/wmcadp/miscarriages_of_justice.htm

Since the re-instatement of the death penalty in Missouri forty-six individuals have been executed.  Examination of these cases reveals that Missouri’s death penalty is not meeting the standards expected by Gregg v Georgia.



slvemike4u -> RE: White Privilege (9/19/2008 12:54:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

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Popeye walk into a convienace store and arouse no suspicion from the proprietor...now do so as a young black male...you have recieved the benifits of white privilege your whole life(as have I )whether or not you wish to acknowledge it...better housing better schools ,easier and more readilly accesible credit...deny all you want ,but in this country (the only experience I can speak to)it is still better to be born white and poor than black and poor...those born rich of any color have lived an experience much different than mine!


Mike, why do young black males arouse suspicion from convenient store clerks or cabbies for that matter?  You're not a racist if you notice who's robbing people.  It reminds me of a story Jesse Jackson told once about being scared to death when he was walking down a street alone at night.  He heard people walking behind him.  When he turned he felt relieved that they were white.  Why do you think that is?

You can't tell me for one minute that you don't think twice about going to the ATM machine at night when you see a group of young black males in the parking lot. 
Slaveboy would you care to guess at the socio-economic factors that contribute to the frightening percentage of young black men under the age of 30 going thru the criminal justice system in this country...look up the numbers in comparison to other ethnic groups,and explain to me why they are so skewed.Is the black race predisposed to criminal activity or is it  possible that there are other explantions for this situation...



DomKen -> RE: White Privilege (9/19/2008 1:02:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Simpleslave101

DomKen, interesting study. I have no doubt that there is race bias on ALL levels. One thing I have witnessed personally is how non-minority employers are hesitant to hire minorities because of the attitude they bring to the table. They have been snake bit in the past because threats of legal action if they corrected a minority or passed them over for promotion. It is a common attitude within the Federal system that "once you hire one you can't fire them". I can't say that all minorities adhere to this mentality. Many do walk around with a sense of entitlement and know they can throw down the race card. Many non-minorities are aware of this and resent it but keep quiet. All just observations. So when they see a resume that has an African American name (vs a European name?) they may be skittish for various reasons other then a knee jerk racist reaction. I do get tired of hearing "OH its because I am black". Eventually one has to function on his own merit and performance and take responsibility for themselves. If Obama is elected, that will remove one excuse.

That's bull. I've done contract work for federal agencies and rarely seen an incompetent or troublesome employee and those were always whites, always without exception. In one particularly troubling incident a white SS office manager literally pulled the network cable out of the wall after I ran it because I was hooking up a system that would track how long it took for phones to get answered and he was back at work within a couple of days and I'm quite sure he disabled the system you and I had paid a lot of money to have installed so the SSA could monitor how quickly people's calls were being answered.

As to hiring being color blind, I do the screening and interviewing for my company and we have a simple system. The office manager makes copy of every resume and marks out all the identifying info and numbers each copy. Then when I prescreen I have no idea of the sex or race of the applicant. The office manager then contacts those I choose and I phone interview and then bring them in for face to face so an applicant can be well into our hiring process before the decision maker (me) ever sees them so racism isn't an issue. We had concerns about the possibility the office manager might throw out some resumes but we do monitor that and it doesn't seem to be an issue. Not surprisingly our staff is split pretty evenly by gender and we have good representation across racial identifications as well especially as we don't hire H1-b's.



Thadius -> RE: White Privilege (9/19/2008 1:02:48 PM)

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/drrace.htm [8|]



DomKen -> RE: White Privilege (9/19/2008 1:04:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/drrace.htm [8|]

Better proof of racist justice is raely seen.



Thadius -> RE: White Privilege (9/19/2008 1:06:41 PM)

Oh and this one...

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/data/table_43.html



Thadius -> RE: White Privilege (9/19/2008 1:09:49 PM)

I am just putting the data out there... I am not arguing one way or the other on this one.

So don't try throwing stones my way.



brokenmind -> RE: White Privilege (9/19/2008 1:10:38 PM)

Well done Thadius. [sm=applause.gif]



meatcleaver -> RE: White Privilege (9/19/2008 1:13:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/drrace.htm [8|]


Your graph roughly shows that out of every ten people given the death penalty, six are white, four are black. In a population where blacks make up 13% of the population and whites (not including white hispanics) 66%, that makes blacks about four times more likely to get the death penalty that whites.



DomKen -> RE: White Privilege (9/19/2008 1:17:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

I am just putting the data out there... I am not arguing one way or the other on this one.

So don't try throwing stones my way.

Where did I? I did point out that the facts are pretty clear on whether justice is truly color blind in this nation.



slvemike4u -> RE: White Privilege (9/19/2008 1:18:14 PM)

Thank's Thadius for supplying the statistical proof ,now if someone would care to explain the societal contribution to these appaling numbers...and still assert there is no advantage to being white in this country...



brokenmind -> RE: White Privilege (9/19/2008 1:20:45 PM)

Mike do you think all wealthy and privileged people were born that way? You cannot change at what socio/economic level you were born into but you can damn sure decide where you end up. 



philosophy -> RE: White Privilege (9/19/2008 1:24:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: brokenmind

Mike do you think all wealthy and privileged people were born that way? You cannot change at what socio/economic level you were born into but you can damn sure decide where you end up. 


......up to a point perhaps......but not necessarily. A whole host of factors can put differing levels of resistence in your way....and when higher education is based on the ability to pay then a whole slew of career paths are blocked to those from lower income families.



slvemike4u -> RE: White Privilege (9/19/2008 1:28:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: brokenmind

Mike do you think all wealthy and privileged people were born that way? You cannot change at what socio/economic level you were born into but you can damn sure decide where you end up. 
True to a point brokenmind,my assertion is there are still conditions and residue of second class citizens status that makes the upper mobility of blacks more dificult than their white counterparts...it is about opportunity and acessibility and to believe all are born with equal chance to partake and suceed is delusional.



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