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corysub -> Don't underestimate this woman - she's a pit bull. (9/18/2008 8:30:37 PM)
Some quotes from the article linked below: She played basketball in a competitive league. She was not tall enough for attack nor solid enough for defence but she kept her place in the team as she was the best playmaker. "She is very much her own person "If others are going to jump to conclusions about her she is happy to let them as she believes in the long term she make it work for her. In this sort of environment trying to bully her male colleagues was unlikely to work so after deciding on a political career in the late 1990s she set about persuading them. Sounded familiar to me..Sarah Palin?...Nope..Tzipi Livini, recently elected Prime Minister of Israel. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/profiles/2982705/Tzipi-Livni-Quietly-in-control.html

bestbabync -> RE: Don't underestimate this woman - she's a pit bull. (9/18/2008 10:26:23 PM)
is it true she only has 42 days or so to unit all the parties? if she does not succeed she looses her seat as PM, right?

corysub -> RE: Don't underestimate this woman - she's a pit bull. (9/19/2008 3:01:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bestbabync is it true she only has 42 days or so to unit all the parties? if she does not succeed she looses her seat as PM, right? I don't know how many days but think it is sometime in October. The link below should be able to keep the status of negotiations to form a government. http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1221745569197&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

meatcleaver -> RE: Don't underestimate this woman - she's a pit bull. (9/19/2008 3:07:14 AM)
OK. so there is another mindless rightwing ideologue. No peace in the middle east for the forseeable future then.

LaTigresse -> RE: Don't underestimate this woman - she's a pit bull. (9/19/2008 4:08:57 AM)
Just an FYI, these are not rare or unusual qualities in a woman. I could think of a dozen women that, aside from the specifics of basketball, would fit that description to a T.

windchymes -> RE: Don't underestimate this woman - she's a pit bull. (9/19/2008 5:31:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse Just an FYI, these are not rare or unusual qualities in a woman. I could think of a dozen women that, aside from the specifics of basketball, would fit that description to a T. Reading your post, one definitely comes to my mind [;)]

DarkSteven -> RE: Don't underestimate this woman - she's a pit bull. (9/19/2008 5:51:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver No peace in the middle east for the forseeable future then. I could have told you that last year. Or the one before that. Or the one...

Sanity -> RE: Don't underestimate this woman - she's a pit bull. (9/19/2008 6:23:19 AM)
So "mindless right wing ideologues" are responsible for everything that's wrong with the Middle East... [sm=lame.gif] [sm=offtopic.gif][sm=nospam.gif] quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver OK. so there is another mindless rightwing ideologue. No peace in the middle east for the forseeable future then.

corysub -> RE: Don't underestimate this woman - she's a pit bull. (9/19/2008 6:30:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: windchymes quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse Just an FYI, these are not rare or unusual qualities in a woman. I could think of a dozen women that, aside from the specifics of basketball, would fit that description to a T. Reading your post, one definitely comes to my mind [;)] I can think of quite a few that it has been more than my pleasure to...know. But I happen to adore strong woman...notwithstanding their politics. [sm=agree.gif]

meatcleaver -> RE: Don't underestimate this woman - she's a pit bull. (9/19/2008 6:42:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity So "mindless right wing ideologues" are responsible for everything that's wrong with the Middle East... [sm=lame.gif] [sm=offtopic.gif][sm=nospam.gif] quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver OK. so there is another mindless rightwing ideologue. No peace in the middle east for the forseeable future then. Well since rightwing nationalism caused the problem, I guess that is what I'm saying.

Bethnai -> RE: Don't underestimate this woman - she's a pit bull. (9/19/2008 7:50:40 AM)
Everything that I have come across states that this woman has pissed off lots of people. I found an (albeit opinion piece) article. Unlike all the other party primaries that have been held over the years, this one is designed not as a preparatory step ahead of general elections to the Knesset. Rather, it is intended to replace general elections. The expressed goal of Livni and her three opponents - Transportation Minister Shaul Mofaz, Public Security Minister Avi Dichter and Interior Minister Meir Sheetrit - is not to ready Kadima for elections, but to select a new prime minister who will form a governing coalition that will bar the public from electing its representatives until March 2010. KADIMA'S MOVE to trample the people's right to choose our leaders is not the only reason that its primary is an affront to the public. The primary is not just anti-democratic, it is also a fraud. The other 85% of Kadima's 70,000 members are people who were brought into the party by those nefarious standard-bearers of Israeli politics of recent years: the vote contractors. Vote contractors are political bosses and paid political operatives who peddle their influence in various communities, labor unions and population sectors to persuade citizens to join specific parties as bloc voters. In its brief political life span, Kadima's membership rolls have been subject to multiple criminal investigations. In one case now under investigation, up to 1,000 people were signed up for the party without their knowledge. Vote contractors forged their signatures on membership forms and paid their membership fees. The most blatant recent example of Livni's deceitfulness is her behavior on the issue of sovereignty over Jerusalem. For the past year, Livni has led the negotiating team with the Fatah faction of the Palestinian Authority. In her position, she has been the architect of whatever agreements the government has concocted regarding the surrender of Judea and Samaria and parts of Jerusalem to Fatah. http://www.carolineglick.com/e/2008/09/mrs_clean_is_a_fraud.asp

meatcleaver -> RE: Don't underestimate this woman - she's a pit bull. (9/19/2008 8:06:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bethnai The most blatant recent example of Livni's deceitfulness is her behavior on the issue of sovereignty over Jerusalem. For the past year, Livni has led the negotiating team with the Fatah faction of the Palestinian Authority. In her position, she has been the architect of whatever agreements the government has concocted regarding the surrender of Judea and Samaria and parts of Jerusalem to Fatah. http://www.carolineglick.com/e/2008/09/mrs_clean_is_a_fraud.asp So she is willing to trade land for peace? One could grow to like this woman if she is truely that pragmatic. However, what agreements? Such negotiations are often in secret and their results then made public because to negotiate publicly would undermine negotiations before they begin because compromise and thinking the unthinkable would be political suicide. This is normal international diplomcay so there is nothing deceitful in that.

Bethnai -> RE: Don't underestimate this woman - she's a pit bull. (9/19/2008 8:17:13 AM)
Division of Jerusalem.

meatcleaver -> RE: Don't underestimate this woman - she's a pit bull. (9/19/2008 8:26:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bethnai Division of Jerusalem. I'm struggling to see a problem. The old city has something like an Arab majority of 10-1, while in the whole city Arabs make up around 33%. At the moment Arabs (even if they are Israeli citizens) can't buy property without special dispensation and are often evicted on a whim. Peace will mean treating people justly and if justice demands division of the city, why not? Israel has rejected the idea of Jerusalem having an international status so all can have access to it so what are the alternatives, ethnically cleanse the remaining Arabs?

Bethnai -> RE: Don't underestimate this woman - she's a pit bull. (9/19/2008 9:19:15 AM)
The great thing about Israel is that it is very diverse. There are Arabs that live there and are in the military, most people forget that. There are Christians that live there. There are those that are hard core Zionist and those that are not even close. There are those that claim no religion and just call themselves, Israelis. Then there is class differences like, if your family came from Poland then they might have a tendency to look down on those Jews that came from Germany. Hence, my forwarning on it being an opinion piece. There are protests from any group that will burn tires in the middle of a road. It is a hot topic. We have rehab problems here that essentially have the same repercussions. I personally think the division of Jerusalem is a really bad idea. I don't think it will solve the issues. If it is going to be done, then lets make sure that line is solid. You can't boycott elections that you are entitled to and throw a shit fit. I no longer believe in a Palestinian right to return.

meatcleaver -> RE: Don't underestimate this woman - she's a pit bull. (9/19/2008 9:22:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bethnai I no longer believe in a Palestinian right to return. Palestinians do and that is why there is a conflict and that is why it needs statesmen (or women) rather than grubby politicians to solve the conflict.

Bethnai -> RE: Don't underestimate this woman - she's a pit bull. (9/19/2008 9:27:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver quote: ORIGINAL: Bethnai I no longer believe in a Palestinian right to return. Palestinians do and that is why there is a conflict and that is why it needs statesmen (or women) rather than grubby politicians to solve the conflict. I'm aware of this conflict. It doesn't change my mind in the least bit at all. They don't have a right to return. Edited for: If this is how it is to proceed, then she is going to need to pack a lunch because she is going to have a very divided population. Considering that the US is not supporting the Israel desire to run over and make a parking lot of Iran, unity might be wise at this time.

meatcleaver -> RE: Don't underestimate this woman - she's a pit bull. (9/19/2008 1:01:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bethnai quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver quote: ORIGINAL: Bethnai I no longer believe in a Palestinian right to return. Palestinians do and that is why there is a conflict and that is why it needs statesmen (or women) rather than grubby politicians to solve the conflict. I'm aware of this conflict. It doesn't change my mind in the least bit at all. They don't have a right to return. Edited for: If this is how it is to proceed, then she is going to need to pack a lunch because she is going to have a very divided population. Considering that the US is not supporting the Israel desire to run over and make a parking lot of Iran, unity might be wise at this time. Are you a Republican?

Bethnai -> RE: Don't underestimate this woman - she's a pit bull. (9/19/2008 1:33:09 PM)
Oh hell no.

Bethnai -> RE: Don't underestimate this woman - she's a pit bull. (9/19/2008 7:05:46 PM)
In 2005, Talia Sasson kicked out a report. It rocked. It pointed out that Ariel Sharon and crew were complicit in illegal outposts. (I said, yeah take that, ha!) Then it was said that those outposts created before 2004 were technically not illegal although there were still others that were springing up and getting electricity. Hard core Zionists. Her report is no longer on the web, that I can find. You will find this. I’m still supporting it, though. My views changed when Hamas was elected. I, like many others, said ok, you want to sit at the table with the adults, then act like it. But the goals had changed and that is a problem. Hezbollah screws with Israel and Lebanon becomes Lebanot. Everyone says, Bad Israel. Well, Hezbollah’s got more shit now and is a problem. Where does everybody get their shit from? Russia and to a lesser extent China. Guess who’s going to make sure that Iran achieves its nuclear ambitions and has been working with them all this time? Russia .Guess who is in Tartus? Guess who is in Venezuela? This technically, isn’t new. What is new is that everyone’s cards are now on the table. So, therefore, I will tell you what is going to happen if there is a division of Jerusalem at this time. The world will sit back and applaud, finally. Hamas, which can’t seem to be controlled is going to cross it. Different goals. Israel will have not only internal conflicts but then be forced to occupy East Jerusalem. Then the world can say, Bad Israel. It can then spiral out of control again for what everyone already knows. Because most ME countries will say they are for the Palestinian cause, frankly just because they do not want them in there own country. However, this is yet another proxy war with some larger jack offs in the big picture. Then others will step forward “in defense” of the Palestinian cause.

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