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RE: Racism is not Dead - 9/20/2008 1:41:26 PM

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As always one must follow the money.

There is a great profit in race hustling.

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RE: Racism is not Dead - 9/20/2008 2:22:10 PM

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The biggest waste of time subject in the world, racism.

Here's some facts about racism.

1. Every race will have within it, a certain number of people who given the chance will latch on to obvious differences as color, as justification for wrong doing. Thus racism will never go away entirely. Also, within every group their are also those that will look for possible reasons for things they don't agree with, and false conclusions will be drawn. Both lend themselves to promoting racism.

2. No racist will care what anyone at all says on the subject, the only way a racist can change his/her thought pattern is to see enough examples contrary to the racists views they hold. As in a black man saving a white racists beloved child's life, might crack a racists viewpoint a bit. Or fighting a common enemy, will bring people together. You get the point

3. Racism, is less a problem, of people and more a problem of media portrayal. You know, outside of high school and college, I've met only a couple black people that portrayed any resemblance to the stereotypical black person shown on tv. High School, though it seems all groups latch on to some stereotype. I in High School for example tried to mimic Heavy Metal stars. Anyway, my point is people seem to become less differentiated in their patterns the older they become and "mimicing" media portrayals becomes less and less appealing.

Most "isms" are the same thing, they are manufactured "truths" to justify injustifiable actions. Never in the history of man, have we ever nearly approached a state of an "ismless" society. One simply replaces another. Fanatical Nationalism, may replace the KKK, or Religious Extremism, may replace Sexism in dominance. Whichever, the core problem IMO, is we are creatures that see patterns in clouds. As in we "create" a meaning or justification, when one is lacking or unappealing. This is the way of man, we imagine that which suits us and call it obvious fact.

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RE: Racism is not Dead - 9/20/2008 2:23:44 PM

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Race is a socio-political construct.

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RE: Racism is not Dead - 9/20/2008 2:58:02 PM

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Racism is not dead, true enough. I doubt it ever will be, no matter how much improved the world might be if it were.

I was married to a man from overseas who disliked people from a few different ethnic backgrounds. No matter what I said, he still held to his beliefs. I have been dating a black man for the past five years and he has opinions about certain nationalities. I could try to explain why I feel this or that is misguided, but in the end, people are going to feel the way they feel. I try to add my two cents in when I feel it may do some good, to what avail, I'm not sure. I do what I can to make educated decisions about people or topics, but the fact remains that there are those who don't judge the same way. It's not my job to fix the world, it's my job to raise my kids with a sense of tolerance and appreciation for others, especially since they are of mixed ethnicity themselves.

I don't want a "color-blind" society. I want a society that finds the good in people and cultures in a general sense. I think it's unrealistic to expect our nation to go "colorless." I also find it tremendously stupid to use the term "African American" unless the person is a foreign national from Africa. Daddy and I use the terms "white" and "black" all the time with each other. It just seems a little pretentious to be uber-politically correct. I sure as heck am not going to use all these "PC" terms to make myself look like I'm a kinder and gentler redhead. I'm that already, and I don't disrespect other people by using racist terms. But I'm sure not going to use these pre-fabbed created ones either.

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RE: Racism is not Dead - 9/20/2008 3:17:48 PM

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Racism is a product of personal insecurity. Look beyond the colour and what do you get, people, just people, the same as yourself or similar. Once the colour issue has gone, what are you left with to segregate, politics, belief, language ?

It is human nature to make oneself feel better than another, and if it is not colour, politics, belief or language, I am sure those inclined can find any other difference to highlight and believe inferior..

Those people to me that seek any difference as inferiority, I see as insecure and in need of education.

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RE: Racism is not Dead - 9/20/2008 3:27:25 PM

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Racism is a product of personal insecurity. Look beyond the colour and what do you get, people, just people, the same as yourself or similar. Once the colour issue has gone, what are you left with to segregate, politics, belief, language ?

Read the history of the British empire, racism was a tool used by capitalist merchant adventurers in India to discredit government officials who admired Indian culture and in that British disparaging term 'went native'. Add to that the justification of slavery by the people who profited from slavery (including the Church of England) claiming blacks are sub-human and can't be civilized etc. etc. and as a culture we've been learning to be racist for hundreds of years, we aren't going to get rid of that ingrained culture through wishful thinking but brutal honesty about our past.

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RE: Racism is not Dead - 9/20/2008 3:36:30 PM

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I am aware of our past, the British Empire being nothing to be proud of and the colonial spirit, I distance myself from that. It worked at the time for all those involved that reaped the wealth, but the common man who was told coloured people were inferior, that was done to make our people feel they were part of the Empire, so they would lay down their lives to make wealthy men more wealthy. The British Empire did nothing for the common man except instil thought that anyone not white was inferior. That, like the church was all about control of the masses. So easily we are led by those we look to as our betters.

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RE: Racism is not Dead - 9/20/2008 5:25:48 PM

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Racism is a product of personal insecurity.

       That's a good point.  And the perception of racism can also be a security blanket, and a shield of victimhood for those who damn well ought to be insecure.

       Great people, and useless assholes, come in all colors. What do we call it when one of those colors has to be treated differently? I'm thinking of a black guy I worked with for a little while on the last job. I wouldn't have cared if he was purple. I did care if he showed up on time in the morning. I did care whether or not work he was given to do would be done. I did care if he knew how to operate machinery that I would be expected to go fix if he broke it. It turned out, caring about those things was racist, too.

         No. Racism isn't dead. We should take it off some of the life support, and see if that does the trick.

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RE: Racism is not Dead - 9/20/2008 5:42:44 PM

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But, racism in America is not dead.

Your right and it probably never will be. Neither will be discriminating against people for age, sex, level of attractiveness, amount of money, weight, height or hair color.

What is important is that the law is no longer racist and it doesn't provide privilege one group over another. As far people not being racist, never gonna happen. One million years of people dividing up into groups, going to war with each other, and forming societies based on class and social inequalities proves otherwise.

As long as there is a psychological need for social identity, then skin color will be one of the things that establishes that social identity along with a variety of other factors.

Hell, capitalism works based off discrimination and inequality. People born with lesser IQ can't accomplish the same education feats as people with higher IQ and therefore can't qualify for the higher paying jobs. People born with the wrong body type don't get picked to be on the football team. Little Mikey who wears a Helmet and is fed Cheerios by his mother will not be the CEO of Microsoft and a scrawny tall guy like myself will not be on the starting lineup for the Dallas Cowboys.

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RE: Racism is not Dead - 9/20/2008 9:07:19 PM

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Many of the responders in the White Privilege thread said we live in a color-blind society.

No one said that. You just imagine they said it, because they disagreed with your assertion that Palin would be viewed differently if she were a black woman.

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RE: Racism is not Dead - 9/21/2008 2:01:27 PM

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Anerin, you want a job as carpenter ? Because you hit the nail on the head.

You want to hear the other side ? Well I am here to provide it.

I have no skills, no meaningful education and work at a third tier job in the fast food industry, but I am better because my skin is white.

I noticed the same thing about some homophobes. Wanna know ? OK. You fags stay away from me because I don't trust myself around you, and stay away from my kids unitl they are homophobic enough to avoid you.

Honestly, I think some people avoid, let's say Blacks, for a very different reason than many think. They are afraid that they will embrace the Black culture. Perhaps it is because they have no culture of their own. Either that or they are totally ignorant of it.

It is a similar situation to the homophobes. I am secure in my preferences, my beliefs, and my self. I have no need to hide. Banishing or otherwise discluding certain types of people from your life is indeed hiding.

That is an ignorant life they choose, and they shall reap what they sow.

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