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Scared and Offended - 12/1/2005 5:04:53 AM

slavejali

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i was just reading the thread about the Lady Dommes house that got raided by the police without even showing a warrant.
Why is society so caught up in other peoples sexual lives? Why do people get offended by someone liking to be tied up? Why does society think bdsm, Master/slave relationships is some form of corrupted kind of partnership? Why are people so scared of their sexuality and exploring it? Why is this world so dumb? Why do i get a feeling we are moving into an era of more and more judgement and persecution for what you do behind closed doors...well ok..or open doors if your with a group of like-minded friends lol? Why cant people see beyond their stupidity? Why arent there enough people around who arent stupid so they can be the majority and drown out the cries of protests and judgements of all the dumb stupid ignorant people? Why?

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RE: Scared and Offended - 12/1/2005 5:42:54 AM

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Y'know I can remember some years ago when I was in Perth WA, a friend and coven mate has his house raided on a falacious report of domestic violence. Besides being given a hard time for having a Pagan Temple set up in one room (Which the then Police Commissioner personally wrote an appology for) my mate was under threat of owning illegal sexual impliments ~ It was his wife's vibrator!!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: Scared and Offended - 12/1/2005 5:55:34 AM

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Short answer: jealousy, conformity, and the need to control.

Excerpts from "Ah Pook Was Here" By William Burroughs:

...

A BLINDING FLASH OF WHITE.

I put the following questions to CONTROL:

Question: Bombing incident after sexual virus?
Answer: Yes.
Question: Was it to obtain such an incident that the bomb was dropped on Hiroshima?
Answer: Yes.
Question: Who really gave that order?
Answer: CONTROL.

The Ugly American ... The instrument of CONTROL ...

...

Question: If Control's control is absolute why does Control need to control?
Answer: Control needs time.

Exactly control needs time in which to exercise control just as DEATH needs time in which to kill. If DEATH killed everyone at birth or control installed electrodes in their brains at birth there would be no time left in which to kill or control.

Question: Is Control controlled by its need to control?
Answer: Yes.
Question: Why does Control need 'Humans' as you call them? (Your knowledge of the local dialects leaves literacy to be desired.)
Answer: Wait.

Wait. Time. A landing field. The Mayans understood this very well.

...

Mr. Hart will find out in time. He will find out that death needs time. Death needs time like a junkie needs junk. And what does death need time for? The answer is soooo simple. Death needs time for what it kills to grow in, for Ah Pook's sweet sake, you stupid, vulgar, greedy ugly American death sucker. Like this! Death walks out in the field and kills the young Corn God. Young Corn God becomes a death seed from which another young Corn God will grow - birth and death in all its rich variety of an old outhouse. However, there is always more death than growth, even in the simplest terms of soil exhaustion. Corn is a very exhausting crop. Apparently the Mayans were ignorant of crop rotation, and in any case had no domestic animals to eat a cover crop and shit it back in fertilizer. Consequently, soil exhaustion was a problem and after the soil in the immediate vicinity of a city was exhausted, they had to travel further and further to find fertile fields, spending more and more time in transit to and from. Now every time you kill the young Corn God life goes out of him. The seed grows slower ... the seed loses vitality. The Corn God looks like a soulless zombie. And finally the seed does not grow. No time for death. So death has to travel.

Death takes the young Corn God back to a time when he hadn't been hit so often he is punch-drunk, back to his youth -back back back ... clickety clickety clack ... back to the Garden of Eden. Sure, death will burn that down too. The Mayan priests made these expeditions into past time because they had burned down present time. Mayan scholars have wondered why they did not make calculations into future time; they were overdrawn. Checks bounced. Nothing and nobody there.

Now this did not happen right away. You don't get hooked on the first shot, and even when you are hooked you can control it for a while maybe, stay on the same dose ... but fix yourself on a junkie on heroin for several thousand years. Control that habit? So he goes back to the time when his habit was manageable, and when it gets out of hand there he goes further back-back-back. Look at the Mayan pantheon and the calendar and you will see that the Mayans, as experienced vampires and time junkies, were keenly aware of this impasse and took what precautions they could to avoid it by balancing the Gods of death and life, not as Mr. Hart's accounts are balanced on an either/or basis, but through a series of transitional shadings.

...

Mr. Hart's deserted ruined mansion, graffiti on the walls.

AH POOK WAS HERE
Here lived a stupid vulgar son of a bitch who
thought he could hire DEATH as a company cop.

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RE: Scared and Offended - 12/1/2005 5:59:33 AM

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Where is the article on the forums?

Good rhetorical questions!

Why were the books, "I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings", and "Of Mice and Men" banned.

Why do large radio corporations with the power money and polictical clout not stand up to the FCC rather than rolling over paying fines, and censoring their own people.

It has always been rather easy for a small majority to limit the freedom of others to choose what to read, see, hear or what consenting adults argree to in the privacy of their own homes.

The minority has the power until the majority or people and or organizations motivated and knowledgable about constitutional rights take a stand.
This should bother all of us. Thanks for the post

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RE: Scared and Offended - 12/1/2005 6:03:16 AM

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most of these things that bring ridicule agaionst things others don't understand are basically promoted by the Church. these asre the hypocrites that want everyone to think alike and...(stops before getting into another "age-old" arguement about religion and upsetting others...again)

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RE: Scared and Offended - 12/1/2005 6:21:49 AM

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Hello There,
Before I had my epiphany and decided I was kinky in February I could actually see things from the other side of this issue in a small way.
My Sister has been a sub for 6 years in a committed relationship with a good Dom I have a lot of respect for.
During their relationship she would tell me about some of her scenes and the groups she was attending and she kept trying to get me to go. That was my first clue not all S&M bottoms were brainwashed or on drugs or something. From there I justified it under her brain took a turn and headed south for some reason. I thought she had emotional issues and felt for some strange reason she needed to be punished. I love her and we are close so I accepted it made her happy, but worried over her in my heart.
The whole time I was being a very submissive and good girl in my life and relationships. I was trying to be Florence Nightingale in the world at large, June Cleaver and a very sultry whore in the bedroom at home with my men myself. But of course sex is OK with vanilla thinking folk so I didn't think anything of that.
I also thought any man who'd hit a woman hard for any reason was not worthy of my full respect as I viewed bruises from your lover as bad, hitting as cruel and abusive, and control of my life choices a joke.

You know I honestly think if I'd had neighbors who were screaming and someone was walking around with bruisesoften I may have called the police on them myself. I would have done it trying to help & not as a vicious thing.
Of course now that I'm a slave to Master Rick for 6 months and been kinky about 8 now I feel completely opposite.
I think even extremely severe S&M play that does not permanently injure someone is actually a very wonderful, deep, and moving experience in fulfillment for those who enjoy going there.
This consensual control, pleasure mixed with discipline, and pain is the most fulfilling lifestyle I have lived in. It completes me.
Now that I understand and can see the issue from both sides of the coin I feel maybe one day I'm going to be lobbying Congress or something to relax the rules and laws one day. I am firmly on the band wagon and wide open about my choice to be kinky.
I always thought sexual freedom between consenting adults was a good thing, but it wasn't till I found myself drawn into the lifestyle of the BDSM realm that I thought S&M was a wonderful thing as long as it's consensual, safe, and sane.
Sincerely,
sub suzanne

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RE: Scared and Offended - 12/1/2005 6:30:18 AM

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unfortunately we have this thing called abuse. there ARE people out there that are being abused. back when i was young, that was kept quiet and the wives just accepted it. some of the things that people are going thru now is due to the fact that they're trying to protect people that for years were abused in silence. yeah, now they're going to extreme the other way. but i believe the problem stems from people not understanding the difference with D/s or S & M from abuse.

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RE: Scared and Offended - 12/1/2005 6:52:32 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Chaingang

Short answer: jealousy, conformity, and the need to control.

Excerpts from "Ah Pook Was Here" By William Burroughs:

Mr. Hart will find out in time. He will find out that death needs time. Death needs time like a junkie needs junk. And what does death need time for? The answer is soooo simple. Death needs time for what it kills to grow in, for Ah Pook's sweet sake, you stupid, vulgar, greedy ugly American death sucker. Like this! Death walks out in the field and kills the young Corn God. Young Corn God becomes a death seed from which another young Corn God will grow - birth and death in all its rich variety of an old outhouse. However, there is always more death than growth, even in the simplest terms of soil exhaustion. Corn is a very exhausting crop. Apparently the Mayans were ignorant of crop rotation, and in any case had no domestic animals to eat a cover crop and shit it back in fertilizer. Consequently, soil exhaustion was a problem and after the soil in the immediate vicinity of a city was exhausted, they had to travel further and further to find fertile fields, spending more and more time in transit to and from. Now every time you kill the young Corn God life goes out of him. The seed grows slower ... the seed loses vitality. The Corn God looks like a soulless zombie. And finally the seed does not grow. No time for death. So death has to travel.

Death takes the young Corn God back to a time when he hadn't been hit so often he is punch-drunk, back to his youth -back back back ... clickety clickety clack ... back to the Garden of Eden. Sure, death will burn that down too. The Mayan priests made these expeditions into past time because they had burned down present time. Mayan scholars have wondered why they did not make calculations into future time; they were overdrawn. Checks bounced. Nothing and nobody there.

Now this did not happen right away. You don't get hooked on the first shot, and even when you are hooked you can control it for a while maybe, stay on the same dose ... but fix yourself on a junkie on heroin for several thousand years. Control that habit? So he goes back to the time when his habit was manageable, and when it gets out of hand there he goes further back-back-back. Look at the Mayan pantheon and the calendar and you will see that the Mayans, as experienced vampires and time junkies, were keenly aware of this impasse and took what precautions they could to avoid it by balancing the Gods of death and life, not as Mr. Hart's accounts are balanced on an either/or basis, but through a series of transitional shadings.

...

Mr. Hart's deserted ruined mansion, graffiti on the walls.

AH POOK WAS HERE
Here lived a stupid vulgar son of a bitch who
thought he could hire DEATH as a company cop.

However, other Pagan traditions show when the corn is harvested a Corn God (priest or head man) is sacrificed (killed and his blood allowed to pour into the earth), celebrating the death of the God. When the corn is planted a maiden loses her virginity on the planted earth and other men masturbate so that their seed falls on the planted crop to prepare the was for the new crop and that the God may be born again… Thinking of the old folk song “John Barleycorn”

But that is for another forum and another site me thinks……..

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RE: Scared and Offended - 12/1/2005 7:28:21 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: IronBear
However, other Pagan traditions show when the corn is harvested a Corn God (priest or head man) is sacrificed (killed and his blood allowed to pour into the earth), celebrating the death of the God. When the corn is planted a maiden loses her virginity on the planted earth and other men masturbate so that their seed falls on the planted crop to prepare the was for the new crop and that the God may be born again… Thinking of the old folk song “John Barleycorn”

And this alters the realities of soil exhaustion how?

I am thinking of the Second Law of Thermodynamics...

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RE: Scared and Offended - 12/1/2005 7:33:45 AM

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I don't think pagans are concerned with the laws of thermodynamics. They have the belief that the soil will be fertile if they follow certain practices. People have unproven beliefs of all kinds.
Some people believe in the power of prayer, others believe in karma.
You certainly don't have to agree with them, but there is no need to mock them either.

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RE: Scared and Offended - 12/1/2005 8:00:09 AM

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I wasn't mocking pagan beliefs. I find pagan beliefs very aesthetically pleasing. I'm all into it, trust me.

But in this thread we are discussing how the beliefs of probably a misguided few effect the great many that are just trying to do their own thing. I stick by the whole "Ugly American" thing. It's a very sad aspect of current reality. In a sense, we are collectively buying into the myths propagated by people like Bush and the members of the Xtian right.

Something like 51% to 49%, yes?

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RE: Scared and Offended - 12/1/2005 8:05:33 AM

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I did not find that clear in your post

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RE: Scared and Offended - 12/1/2005 8:36:58 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Chaingang

I stick by the whole "Ugly American" thing. It's a very sad aspect of current reality. In a sense, we are collectively buying into the myths propagated by people like Bush and the members of the Xtian right.

Something like 51% to 49%, yes?

I guess it might be of interest to point out the OP is NOT in the US of A? When I first read this thread, I wondered about that. And what source did she hear the story from.
The only way in Canada the police can forcibly enter your home without a warrant is if they can prove their belief that a crime is being committed. A whiff of marijuana is not enough. It’s hard to say if even a scream is now, as it could be a TV show or a computer game.
As to why, not only are there people that want to force their view of sex on you, there are people who want to force their view of heath on you. You cannot smoke in any public building in Manitoba anymore. You need to have Id proving you’re over 25 to by cigarettes. Although you can drink and vote at 18, drive at 16 (sort of, as we have a graduated license system in place now). And have sex at 14. Go figure.
Also, the shrinks have just removed sadism and masochism from the list of deviant behaviour in the last couple of years. I had a dinner party to celebrate it LOL…
Before I could say why this break in happened, I would want some more info. Was there a call into the police about screams? Had they been called before?
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RE: Scared and Offended - 12/1/2005 8:45:26 AM

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Link is here: http://www.collarchat.com/m_214642/tm.htm

There is very much a pretense of freedom in the States, the reality is quite different. You basically have only the rights you will fight for in court. And eventually, they will get around to testing your intestinal fortitude that way if you are public enough about your lifestyle choices.

Personally, I have heard so many horror stories about both the police and prosecutors doing so many of the wrong things that I simply do not believe we have anything like justice here. My sources are almost all first-hand sources, not urban legend kind of stuff. Just some quick takes: I know someone that was beaten by the police and had drugs planted on him, I know someone else whose case hinged on perjurious statements suborned by the prosecutor, and so forth.

The woman in the article in question was basically intimidated out of her rights. Having 20-30 policemen storm through your house is not quite the same as waiving your rights, but then again how does one stand up to them or prevent them from doing anything? What if they try to pull the whole "resisting arrest" trip on you? In the end she will most likely win her case. But short term her life has just been ruined and perhaps even permanently. She's in for a really long civil lawsuit in the Title 42, Bivens vein: http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cas80.htm

Sure, the States are lands of opportunity and adventure. Watch your back.

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RE: Scared and Offended - 12/1/2005 10:10:18 AM

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Whilst I don't live in the USA, I do follow things as much as I can for as sure as tarns dont fly overhead, our PM follows the "Great God Bush" and there is a very real possibility that what happens in the US will happen in Australia (I've been browsing the proposed new anti-terrorism laws which can stop you talking about you job and how much you earn....) I'd have to say that the days of Free Speach and Free Assembly are numbered especially if we become a republic.. (ahh well I'm thinking of where I can move the family and relocate ~ Southern ireland seems good at the moment). Still I do realise that the majority of the members here are US folk however I believe that that is no reason to discount views expressed by others who live elsewhere or have non "standard" beliefs such as the pagan beliefs of fertility of the earth.

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RE: Scared and Offended - 12/1/2005 10:20:29 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: slavejali
i was just reading the thread about the Lady Dommes house that got raided by the police without even showing a warrant.
Why is society so caught up in other peoples sexual lives? Why do people get offended by someone liking to be tied up? Why does society think bdsm, Master/slave relationships is some form of corrupted kind of partnership? Why are people so scared of their sexuality and exploring it? Why is this world so dumb? <snip>

I don't know the circumstances here, but could it be that the increased activity in the "home" was effecting the neighbors? A place of "business" is a place of business, but a home is usually along side of other households, many with children and adults that did not consent to be a party to breaking the law, of having their neighborhood infiltrated by every Tom, Dick and Harry or John. The ProDommes that I know do not work out of their "homes."

I had a prostitute two doors away from me. Her "clients" began coming to the house. They came and the children were told to leave the area. They came, and parked in front of neighbor's homes, waiting for the "hooker" (a street type, so don't jump down my throat

), and when she came out, dressed showing everything, the small children across the street would imitate her walk and lift their dresses. The "clients" parked in others; driveways, and blocked the sidewalks so children couldn't ride their bikes down the sidewalk.

It's not always about the sexuality aspect, when someone gets police attention, for doing something that's against the law.

The "law" sort of dictates much of what happens in this world. Gawd, I love the ProDommes, because sometimes they deal with the types of men I don't ever want to meet, yet continue to get contacted by on a regular basis. I see a need for Pros, and I agree that many aspects of what they offer should be legalized, but as for now...it's still illegal, and I wouldn't want it near my home and family either.

Defending someone's sexual lives and interests is one thing, but when it might infringe upon others...that's a whole 'nother story.

This could be just another take on one aspect of the situation.

K

PS On a side note, my hooker neighbor eventually was arrested and sits in prison today. She apparently got these men to the house, and then had one of her many seedy man friends to check his wallet, get the home address, and then rob the home while the man was "busy." Eventually, one of the men that was robbed had the nerve to report it.

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RE: Scared and Offended - 12/1/2005 10:56:53 AM

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Well, it could be argued that the governments who clamp down on these activities are merely acting like Doms.

But there is a serious point there - the people who seek power are those who tend to desire to control people's lives, and when those people have a background of intolerance and (often religious) puritanism, we all better watch out. :(

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RE: Scared and Offended - 12/1/2005 1:24:06 PM

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thats what im scared of Prunesquallor..it feels that is the way we are going, we think we live in an enlightened age, but it seems things are just getting worse.

and exactly Chaingang, what use are laws of protection of rights when all it takes is a couple of people in authority to misuse their power and can totally ruin someones life in a quick spanse of time.

Pheonnx, im from Australia, the point is the same though.

Ironbear: how long ago was your friends house raided? i really dont think i can think much on this subject, its just too scary..i just dont want to be in a world where other peoples beliefs and superstitions are upheld by the law and that is used to control people. This whole new muslim thing, ie with people associating terrorism with being muslim is a lot to blame for some peoples (Christians mainly) resurge of justification that their way is the one true way and given them courage to start pointing fingers at everyone else again...and everyone else i dont just mean religious people, but any person or group of people within soceity that doesnt fit into their mold of whats correct....i could ramble on and on and on here..but im going to gag myself and stop...its just so scary.

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RE: Scared and Offended - 12/1/2005 2:02:08 PM

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jali,

If it's any consolation, I have lived long enough to see these things come and go, and I do know they don't go on forever. At the time of McCarthyism it seemed as though America had entered the dark ages, and would never be able to escape - but then the sixties happened. :)

In Britain too, there is a movement to restrain individual liberty. I am hoping that people will have the strength to resist it.

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RE: Scared and Offended - 12/1/2005 3:40:28 PM

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ORIGINAL: slavejali

Ironbear: how long ago was your friends house raided?

Late '70's or eary 80's from memory. You'd have to remember that Western Australia with its isolation always somewhat of a police state.

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