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RE: Ford's 65mpg vehicle... but... - 9/23/2008 6:43:32 AM   
bipolarber


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Status: offline 		Which is really odd to me, (recently having run a diesel pickup on WVO for the last couple of years) I've never really had a problem with diesel, either from the pump, or from the frier tank. The engines are fantastically dependable. The pickup I had, was clocked at almost 200,000 miles, and never needed anything more than glow plugs and a replacement block heater. I had the distinct feeling that the rest of the body and drive train would give up the ghost before the engine ever did.

Yeah, the fuel needs improving... but from what I understand, it's almost there. The new low sulfur diesels are no more "smelly" than is regular gas... and you can pump it into your car without the feat of some jackass walking by with a cigarette in his mouth....

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RE: Ford's 65mpg vehicle... but... - 9/23/2008 2:21:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		What was it about passenger diesel cars from that era that made them such lemons?  Was it bad engineering, poor quality parts, lack of experienced mechanics around to service the cars? 


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It was a piece of shit.  It was loud, smelly, and unreliable.  He had it in the shop constantly.  A lot of piece of shit diesel cars came out then, because they were trying to emulate Mercedes success with diesels.  Of course those diesels were crap, and they quickly stopped that little experiment. 


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RE: Ford's 65mpg vehicle... but... - 9/23/2008 2:46:42 PM   
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Here's an article about it.  I think it was written in 2005.  Basically it was GM that did it.  One of the biggest blunders they did was basing their diesels on gasoline engines, and this was done as a cheap way to convert preexisting cars to diesel engines.  The car my father bought was a '83 Oldsmobile 88 with a 350 ci diesel.  It was maroon in color, with beige leather seats.  I can remember him cussing that car.  It was loud, it stank, and it was hard to start.  From what I was told, they didn't accelerate very well.  It just wasn't a well made motor. 

If you'll read through the article, it screwed up sales of diesel passenger cars for everyone, including Mercedes.  Mercedes has always made diesel cars, and they made them well.  But because of GM's screw up, their sales suffered. 

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RE: Ford's 65mpg vehicle... but... - 9/23/2008 5:46:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		That's interesting.  GM still seems to be at the bottom of the heap when it comes to diesel vehicles.  I've been looking for a 1 ton to haul the horses long distances and for those long hauls, diesel works out as a better deal.  As I've been searching, I've run into the strange pattern of men who drove Chevys for life and hated all other trucks who have now added the words "except diesel" to their mantra.  Apparently, GM remains behind just about everyone on that front.

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RE: Ford's 65mpg vehicle... but... - 9/23/2008 7:14:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ah yes, the Ford "market research group".  Yeah, those guys ought to know best.  Of course, don't expect politicians to do the right thing.  The industry, as well as the politicians know that the average U.S. taxpayer won't hear much about these deals, and when we do, we'll just jump online and type away our frustrations, rather than going to finding those guilty decision makers and interrupting their dinner to hold them accountable.  Its unfortunate that a lot of them are moving to Dubai.  *playing Steve Miller's Take The Money And Run as a soundtrack*


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RE: Ford's 65mpg vehicle... but... - 9/28/2008 8:40:43 PM   
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Pop. this is what the Ford "market research group" seems to have concluded. "Hockey and soccer Moms" in flyover country apperantly don't like the smelly fuel.


That's why you burn old french fry oil in your car.  Diesel is much pricier around here than regular unleaded.  Soy diesel is even pricier than that.
Though in the long run I would assume it would work out.  Diesel usually goes much further per gallon that regular gasoline does.


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RE: Ford's 65mpg vehicle... but... - 9/29/2008 6:19:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Midgrade gas here is $3.83, diesel was above $4.75 last time I noticed. Won't the dollar more a gallon bring down the value of the car?

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RE: Ford's 65mpg vehicle... but... - 9/29/2008 8:13:17 AM   
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Midgrade gas here is $3.83, diesel was above $4.75 last time I noticed. Won't the dollar more a gallon bring down the value of the car?


midgrade here is ethanol enhanced.  I paid 3.32 a gallon in Sioux City last week.  Last time I needed gas.
Diesel is still over 5 dollars a gallon. 

BUT french fry oil brings down your cost to about 1.50 a gallon if you can blend it yourself.  Myself and a friend were actually doing it in Cali before we moved.


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