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bestbabync -> do you think the media is bias? (9/22/2008 7:16:02 PM)

after watching these 2 clips, what is ur opinion?  where the 2 candidates equally questioned/interviewed on this show?  don't u agree that there are media bias? 

obama on the view
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg4Wqkl60lE

mccain on the view
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Mnj1njG4ww&feature=related




kittinSol -> RE: do you think the media is bias? (9/22/2008 7:20:51 PM)

Ridiculous. When Obama went on the view, he wasn't yet the nominee. When McCain went on the view, he was very much the nominee, with a fat history of a dirty campaign just behind him. If Obama went on the view now, he'd probably be given a grilling too - though I can't vouch for that, since I am as biased about this as you are, right [;)] ?

The view's a shit show: switch off the box and get some real news.





corysub -> RE: do you think the media is bias? (9/22/2008 7:27:02 PM)

Gimme a break!   "The View"!!  I mean, does anyone really take Joy and dried up old Bawbwa seriously?




slvemike4u -> RE: do you think the media is bias? (9/22/2008 7:27:33 PM)

The Media biased.....nope the media is not biased...people that hold editorial and talent positions are in fact biased,they are people and hold opinions,...some even from your side of the aisle...That is just the way it is,get your news from a source that reinforces your own world view....like the rest of us...[:)]




bestbabync -> RE: do you think the media is bias? (9/22/2008 8:08:14 PM)

oh i do not watch 'the view"...duh!!  i try my best only once or twice a week to tune into my local news and then a mix of national news....some Headline News, CNN, ABC, CBS & Fox.....all of these i mentioned were airing these clips and asking the same question i posed here in the thread.  alot of americans are alot like me.  we are too busy to watch the news, read the paper and tabliods every single day.  so we sporadically tune in to catch up.  this is just what was rampant tonight when i turned on the tube. 
the interview with Obama was done with him fresh off the primary campaign trail.  He did mention John McCain in his interview on "the view".  I believe he was at that time the unofficial Democratic nominee at that point.  A serious hard-hitting question & answer session with Obama, from the ladies on "the view" would not have been odd at that point.




Owner59 -> RE: do you think the media is bias? (9/22/2008 9:47:12 PM)

 

Yeah,....

Fox is the media arm of the RNC.

The rest have a corporate bias,accept for Oberman and the new Rachel Maddow show.

Talk radio in totally right wing.

New paper are split down the middle,again with a corporate bias.

How many papers have an "environment" page?

Most news papers have a financial section.Some papers are nothing but business/financial news.





DominantDamsel -> RE: do you think the media is bias? (9/22/2008 10:43:45 PM)

The media is incredibly biased to the left. The major cable news channels are liberal with the exception of FOX news. Even the local news networks like ABC, NBC, CBS are liberal as well.




caitlyn -> RE: do you think the media is bias? (9/22/2008 10:48:03 PM)

The media is biased towards selling more media, and nothing else.




DomKen -> RE: do you think the media is bias? (9/22/2008 10:53:34 PM)

Every study I've ever seen has shown the same thing, a strongly right of center tilt of across all major media outlets. The most recent study:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-onthemedia27-2008jul27,0,6802141.story

The "liberal media" meme is a creation of the far right to cover up the fact that they can't answer the hard questions and therefore look like the demagogues they are.




Hippiekinkster -> RE: do you think the media is bias? (9/22/2008 11:14:31 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DominantDamsel

The media is incredibly biased to the left. The major cable news channels are liberal with the exception of FOX news. Even the local news networks like ABC, NBC, CBS are liberal as well.

Ah hahahaha hahahaha hahahaha [sm=LMAO.gif] I needed a good laugh.

Thank you. I probably added another month to my life with all that laughter. 




corysub -> RE: do you think the media is bias? (9/22/2008 11:39:47 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

Every study I've ever seen has shown the same thing, a strongly right of center tilt of across all major media outlets. The most recent study:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-onthemedia27-2008jul27,0,6802141.story

The "liberal media" meme is a creation of the far right to cover up the fact that they can't answer the hard questions and therefore look like the demagogues they are.


Excuse me, but I read the link you were kind enough to give us to "make your point".  Wow, Andrea Mitchelof , that well-known neocon of all people, is counted as making a "negative comment on Obama with these words quoted in that "right wing" rag..the LA Times:

"The center reviews and "codes" statements on the evening news as positive or negative toward the candidates. For example, when NBC reporter Andrea Mitchell said in June that Obama "has problems" with white men and suburban women, the media center deemed that a negative".

Obviously those right wing nutcases like Andrea Mitchell are tilting the media far right with those bitter comments about Obama...!  Thanks for the chuckle.  Leftists just have no idea how funny they can be with "words"...just "words"...It's silly time in the USA







TheHeretic -> RE: do you think the media is bias? (9/22/2008 11:51:47 PM)

       Oh for Chris'sake, Ken...   The LA Times???  The same Democrat party house organ that buried the Schwarzenegger groping story over the summer, so they could blast it across the front page 4 days before the election?  (It didn't work, but they gave it a shot anyway).  Did you happen to catch the comment by a McC staffer, that the NYT is no longer a journalistic organization?  I got a kick out of that.

      We get the worldview of the people who write the stories, and the people who decide what stories those people will write.  People in the media business are overwhelmingly liberal.  They might check the box that says "moderate" when the samples get taken, but look into where they report standing on issues, compared to the rest of the country.  Numbers like 82% being pro-choice, 89% voting for Bill Clinton, or 78% favoring stricter gun control measures.  Not all that "moderate" really (numbers grabbed from Bias by Bernard Goldberg).  They just call it how they, and the people they work with, see it. 

      




Hippiekinkster -> RE: do you think the media is bias? (9/23/2008 12:49:14 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

      Oh for Chris'sake, Ken...   The LA Times???  The same Democrat party house organ that buried the Schwarzenegger groping story over the summer, so they could blast it across the front page 4 days before the election?  (It didn't work, but they gave it a shot anyway).  Did you happen to catch the comment by a McC staffer, that the NYT is no longer a journalistic organization?  I got a kick out of that.

     We get the worldview of the people who write the stories, and the people who decide what stories those people will write.  People in the media business are overwhelmingly liberal.  They might check the box that says "moderate" when the samples get taken, but look into where they report standing on issues, compared to the rest of the country.  Numbers like 82% being pro-choice, 89% voting for Bill Clinton, or 78% favoring stricter gun control measures.  Not all that "moderate" really (numbers grabbed from Bias by Bernard Goldberg).  They just call it how they, and the people they work with, see it. 

     
Well, if all US Media (TM) is controlled by Leftist Socialist Peace-loving  Commie pro-fluoridation anti-Girl Scout Cookie, ...

You should, as a good Capitalist, and someone who is able to utilize the tools of  "Mass-Marketing" (including subliminal stuff like beer perfumes for the dudes and the Geeky dude who has "MS" and Cosmo and Playgirl memorized for the chicks), and as someone who has pulled himself up by his flip-flop straps, be able to attract enough money to start your own fishwrapper.

Go for it, man!




SilverMark -> RE: do you think the media is bias? (9/23/2008 2:33:04 AM)

Always amazes me that the biased media always is left if you are on the right....and right if you are on the left...
Editorial news shows, O'Rielly, Hannity, Olberman, are not news at all....
We see things through our own prisim...and that determines our view of most everything politic.




FirmhandKY -> RE: do you think the media is bias? (9/23/2008 3:45:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SilverMark

Always amazes me that the biased media always is left if you are on the right....and right if you are on the left...
Editorial news shows, O'Rielly, Hannity, Olberman, are not news at all....
We see things through our own prisim...and that determines our view of most everything politic.


Of course, this is true.

The problem is as Hertic has pointed out, the majority of the "media" are indeed of a liberal view, and it therefore colors everything that they do and say, or choose to report or not report, or how they report it.

The choice of words, the framing, the followup ... everything.

Interesting study about press coverage during the Democratic primary:

Obama’s Margin of Victory: The Media

Extracts:

Key Findings:

# The three broadcast networks treated Obama to nearly seven times more good press than bad — 462 positive stories (34% of the total), compared with only 70 stories (just 5%) that were critical.

# NBC Nightly News was the most lopsided, with 179 pro-Obama reports (37%), more than ten times the number of anti-Obama stories (17, or 3%). The CBS Evening News was nearly as skewed, with 156 stories spun in favor of Obama (38%), compared to a mere 21 anti-Obama reports (5%). ABC’s World News was the least slanted, but still tilted roughly four-to-one in Obama’s favor (127 stories to 32, or 27% to 7%).

# Barack Obama received his best press when it mattered most, as he debuted on the national scene. All of the networks lavished him with praise when he was keynote speaker at the 2004 Democratic Convention, and did not produce a single negative story about Obama (out of 81 total reports) prior to the start of his presidential campaign in early 2007.

# The networks downplayed or ignored major Obama gaffes and scandals. Obama’s relationship with convicted influence peddler Tony Rezko was the subject of only two full reports (one each on ABC and NBC) and mentioned in just 15 other stories. CBS and NBC also initially downplayed controversial statements from Obama’s longtime pastor Jeremiah Wright, but heavily praised Obama’s March 18 speech on race relations.

# While Obama’s worst media coverage came during the weeks leading up to the Pennsylvania primary on April 22, even then the networks offered two positive stories for every one that carried a negative spin (21% to 9%). Obama’s best press of the year came after he won the North Carolina primary on May 6 — after that, 43 percent of stories were favorable to Obama, compared to just one percent that were critical.

# The networks minimized Obama’s liberal ideology, only referring to him as a "liberal" 14 times in four years. In contrast, reporters found twice as many occasions (29) to refer to Obama as either a "rock star," "rising star" or "superstar" during the same period.

# In covering the campaign, network reporters highlighted voters who offered favorable opinions about Obama. Of 147 average citizens who expressed an on-camera opinion about Obama, 114 (78%) were pro-Obama, compared to just 28 (19%) that had a negative view, with the remaining five offering a mixed opinion.
Since this study doesn't cover the "Republican/Democratic" divide, I found it particularly entertaining.

Just as an example of the "reporters" (and editors) choice in framing the news ... take the number of positive "man in the street" interviews.  I seriously doubt that anyone set out to ensure that the majority of the interviews were pro-Obama.  It's just that they were the ones most likely to actually make the broadcast.

There are several books worth of analysis that can be (and have been) done on the subject.

Firm




SilverMark -> RE: do you think the media is bias? (9/23/2008 5:00:18 AM)

I would bet, that if I look hard enough I can find statistics that oppose the statistics you quote. Once again, it is all in your basic view of "the media" and from which point of view you have at the beginning.




tsatske -> RE: do you think the media is bias? (9/23/2008 5:09:36 AM)

Without covering the Democrat/Republican devide, the statstics are meaningless. That is absolutely vital information in interpreting these statstics.
The media is ALWAYS doing this. Quoting statistics after stripping them down to make them meaningless. Last week my local paper ran the headline (and, like Dave Barry, I Am Not Making This Up):
Daily Asprin Therapy increases death risk by 4 times.

Now, this worries me. I take daily asprin therapy. Apparently, because of one tiny, orange flavored chewable in the AM, there is now a 400% likelhood that I will die someday. bummer.

Of course media is biased. All media reports from their particular bias. You can not report without bias, it is simply impossible.
But every media has it's own particular set of biases, and, i've always suspected that, like the bad calls the Ump or Ref makes, they even themselves out. Now, you can make arguements that the 'Big Media', because it is what most people tune in to, make a difference - but, to do that, you have to use stastics that have not been stripped of meaning.

Did you notice, your report came from a media source, too?




FirmhandKY -> RE: do you think the media is bias? (9/23/2008 5:57:37 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: SilverMark

I would bet, that if I look hard enough I can find statistics that oppose the statistics you quote. Once again, it is all in your basic view of "the media" and from which point of view you have at the beginning.


I don't doubt you could, primarily because of the "fight back" from many in the media who do not believe that they are biased in any way.

However, the interesting thing to do (which requires quite a bit of work, and therefore is so rarely done) is to delve down into the details of any such report to determine the biases of the research design.

I think it's simply too facile a view to say what you have without qualification. It has a basis in truth, I'll not deny, but it also allows you to draw sometimes incorrect conclusions without deeper investigation.

Over the years, I've taken the time to vet many of the reports, and try to separate my own biases (perhaps not always successfully), and the facts are that the majority of reporters and editors lean to the liberal side of the political equation. Often times, a substantial majority.

Another interesting thing that clouds the issue is that the distinction between straight "news reporting" and commentary has become blurred to almost non-existence over the past few years, so that not only does the media get confused, so does the consuming public.

Firm




bipolarber -> RE: do you think the media is bias? (9/23/2008 6:26:26 AM)

Funny, I never heard a peep about "liberal media bias" when the networks and papers all bought into the swift boat crap about Kerry. I also don't seem to recall them getting upset at all about Ken Starr's ludicrus witch hunt for Bill Clinton. And they didn't seem to show any remorse during the whole "Monica" arc.

Yet, strangely, they've been talking like McCain actually has fresh ideas...
So far, none of them have brought up his involvement in the Keating scandal, which was a mini version of out crisis today.

I don't think you can truthfully say that the media has bias toward one side or another. They DO have a bias toward whatever keeps people tuned in, and buying papers.

It's just that republicans know how to craft better scandals than do dems. When they put their foot in it, their foot stays stuck in the shit.




Thadius -> RE: do you think the media is bias? (9/23/2008 8:14:56 AM)

**Fast Reply**

Did I read in this thread that every study shows a right wing bias?  That's kind of funny.

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/Media-Bias-Is-Real-Finds-UCLA-6664.aspx 
quote:

 

While the editorial page of The Wall Street Journal is conservative, the newspaper's news pages are liberal, even more liberal than The New York Times. The Drudge Report may have a right-wing reputation, but it leans left. Coverage by public television and radio is conservative compared to the rest of the mainstream media. Meanwhile, almost all major media outlets tilt to the left.
These are just a few of the surprising findings from a UCLA-led study, which is believed to be the first successful attempt at objectively quantifying bias in a range of media outlets and ranking them accordingly.
"I suspected that many media outlets would tilt to the left because surveys have shown that reporters tend to vote more Democrat than Republican," said Tim Groseclose, a UCLA political scientist and the study's lead author. "But I was surprised at just how pronounced the distinctions are."
"Overall, the major media outlets are quite moderate compared to members of Congress, but even so, there is a quantifiable and significant bias in that nearly all of them lean to the left," said co‑author Jeffrey Milyo, University of Missouri economist and public policy scholar.
The results appear in the latest issue of the Quarterly Journal of Economics, which will become available in mid-December.



http://www.mediaresearch.org/biasbasics/biasbasics1.asp

quote:

 


How the Media Vote. Surveys of journalists’ self-reported voting habits show them backing the Democratic candidate in every presidential election since 1964, including landslide losers George McGovern, Walter Mondale and Michael Dukakis. In 2004, a poll conducted by the University of Connecticut found journalists backed John Kerry over George W. Bush by a greater than two-to-one margin. See Section.


http://www.mrc.org/biasbasics/pdf/BiasBasics.pdf 

Just a couple of quickies.  There have been other studies by universities that show exactly the same thing.




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