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RE: What exactly is an "undecided voter?" - 9/24/2008 7:07:00 PM   
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I am undecided.

It takes so long because one keeps hoping that one candidate or another will actually SAY something.  So far, not-so-good.

But, I am narrowing it down.  I have eliminated the following candidates so far:
1) Obama - too socialist
2) McCain - his running mate is too neo-con.
3) Bob Barr (Libertarian) - its Bob Barr .... do I need another reason?
4) Ralph Nadar - too 'one trick pony'

Still consdiering Ron Paul, or maybe my cat.


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RE: What exactly is an "undecided voter?" - 9/24/2008 7:18:20 PM   
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I have nothing against undecided voters, although, as my comment suggests, it troubles me that they are the folks who will decide the election. I have no doubt that they will.

What is troubling is to hear that it's too hard or [the candidates] don't say anything or you have to research. I don't know of other reasons to have not decided thus far, except for Thadius, and sorry, your championing of Sarah Palin really leaves your comment that you are undecided disingenuous, at least to me.

I can't understand how anyone who intends to vote cannot have any idea of who they will vote for. It's not as if we're comparing Braeburns to Golden Delicious. They are pretty diametrically opposed and it is not NOT difficult to learn or understand what they say they will do. We have the Internets, it's all over the radio, TV, the newspaper. I don't accept, sorry, that it's too much of a burden to learn about the candidates, their policies and how they differ. They do. A lot.



I keep hoping that Ron Paul will take up Barr's offer to be his VP.  Even with the antiwar position they take, I like many of their thoughts on giving back some of the freedoms that define the American spirit and dream.  I also like their thoughts on getting spending under control and fixing the insanity of the current tax system. 



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RE: What exactly is an "undecided voter?" - 9/24/2008 7:19:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		So you're willing to allow your vote to not have a tangible impact? I know how much this means to you...

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RE: What exactly is an "undecided voter?" - 9/24/2008 7:22:14 PM   
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On undecided voters, it's people that vote but don't pay a great deal of attention to politics.


Not always. Some people follow the issues and the candidates quite closely and just don't see a clear front runner that they feel comfortable putting their support behind just yet. I know several undecided voters at the moment and none of them is indifferent to the political process.



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RE: What exactly is an "undecided voter?" - 9/24/2008 7:24:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: subtee

So you're willing to allow your vote to not have a tangible impact? I know how much this means to you...


tangible impact?  I disagree.... they've not given us much to work with.

This country has BETTER than these two buffoons.  Until we get money outta the campaigns, only the wealthiest, most connected will ever have a shot.

And that's the problem with politics.  Everyone is connected to everyone else in one way or another.

Washington needs to be cleaned out completely.  I've said from the beginning of this election.  It doesn't matter who gets the White House, the Congress isn't going to change much..and that's where most of the corruption is centered.

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RE: What exactly is an "undecided voter?" - 9/24/2008 7:24:24 PM   
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So you're willing to allow your vote to not have a tangible impact? I know how much this means to you...


How would me voting for the persons I feel best represents my postions not be a tangible impact?  Are you suggesting that I must vote for one of the 2 major parties?  That doesn't seem very democratic in my opinion.

I usually don't play follow the leader when it comes to making decisions.  Know what I mean?

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RE: What exactly is an "undecided voter?" - 9/24/2008 7:26:33 PM   
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RE: What exactly is an "undecided voter?" - 9/24/2008 7:31:36 PM   
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Blah, you know it will take change through other channels to make our system more than a two-party system.





That change comes when folks are brave enough to vote their will as opposed to voting for one of the two.  By voting for a third party candidate I can add to that change, as each vote that goes to a candidate other than the big 2, means the likely hood of a third party being more viable.  It also adds another voice to represent the people.

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RE: What exactly is an "undecided voter?" - 9/24/2008 7:32:57 PM   
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Do you have a spare 50 years?


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RE: What exactly is an "undecided voter?" - 9/24/2008 7:39:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually many of them will be voting with the 2 major parties.  If it takes 50 years to get change, then I suppose it will take 50 years.  If I can get involved and cause change sooner, I will attempt to do that.  Doing nothing will achieve exactly that.  Going with the status quo, will garner more of the same.

So that leaves me in the position I am in, I am still looking at which candidate best will represent my vote.  Much of that will probably become clearer over the next 2 weeks.

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RE: What exactly is an "undecided voter?" - 9/24/2008 7:41:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is what I am saying. Affect the vote in this election and work to change the two-party system outside of that framework. We should all do that, it seems to me.

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RE: What exactly is an "undecided voter?" - 9/24/2008 7:46:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		My vote will have an effect on the outcome, one way or another.  Why should I be considered a guaranteed vote by either party?  Why should you or anybody else?  Are the candidates on the top of the 2 tickets the best that we have to vote on?  I think not, so why settle for barely acceptable or mediocrity?

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RE: What exactly is an "undecided voter?" - 9/24/2008 7:48:42 PM   
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RE: What exactly is an "undecided voter?" - 9/24/2008 7:50:10 PM   
subtee


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Status: offline 		Because it's reality, forcripesjumpinalmighty. This what we got, Thadius.

And I've been voting for way long time (bitty) and I can't remember a bigger clusterfuck to apply my duty to vote to. Ya know?


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RE: What exactly is an "undecided voter?" - 9/24/2008 7:53:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Respectfully, I think you may be substituting not having enough information, in place of wanting all the information.
 
If the election were today, I know who I would vote for ... but, the election is not today, and there is a lot of information left unsaid. This information may add nothing, but may add everything. If it adds nothign, then nothing is lost. If it does add something, then waiting is the most logical play.

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RE: What exactly is an "undecided voter?" - 9/24/2008 7:57:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Respectfully, Caitlyn, anything added from here to election day will be hyperbole, spin, swiftboating and smear. Their basic ideologies are very, very different.

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RE: What exactly is an "undecided voter?" - 9/24/2008 7:58:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Each election it keeps getting worse.  So why keep banging ones head against the same dead horse hoping for a different outcome?  If we are fed up with what keeps being presented, the time to make that known is when we vote, not in between elections.  I am not saying there isn't  anything that can be done between elections, I am just suggesting that this is the time when that voice can really be heard.

Viva Liberte... or however it is spelled

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RE: What exactly is an "undecided voter?" - 9/24/2008 8:05:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Okay, Thadius. Vote your third, forth, fifth party candidate. And begin to defend and champion them in the forums as you have championed one of "the two."

This is what makes me weary, the desire to argue to argue to argue. What the hell does that change except others' perceptions of you and me?


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RE: What exactly is an "undecided voter?" - 9/24/2008 8:10:36 PM   
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Okay, Thadius. Vote your third, forth, fifth party candidate. And begin to defend and champion them in the forums as you have championed one of "the two."

This is what makes me weary, the desire to argue to argue to argue. What the hell does that change except others' perceptions of you and me?



So my negative comments are championing one of the big parties?  I have consistantly said they are both screwed up and have fucked us the citizens over, be it through spending or corruption.

Perhaps I will just remain silent and allow you to feel that everybody agrees with your postions and opinions, afterall that will make you feel more comfortable voting for one of the "clusterfucks".

Enjoy.

On second thought, I think I enjoy encouraging folks to think and do some research to back up their opinions.  So you is stuck with me and my opinions.

C'est la vie.

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RE: What exactly is an "undecided voter?" - 9/24/2008 8:10:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Only if a person isn't smart enough to see through hyperbole, spin, swiftboating and smear.

I would also question how you know what will be added, when it hasn't been added yet?
 
From my own point of view, I see the only rational play as waiting until after the debates. These two men, so far, have run a generally respectful campaign, and stayed off heavy handed attacks against one-another. My guess is that the debates will be policy based, and on point. If one side or the other does engage in heavy handed attacks, I will know whom not to vote for.

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