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published article that makes a lot of sense - 9/26/2008 8:35:01 AM   
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greetings Eeveryone ~~

this was sent to me in an email.  i liked it, so i'm posting it here.  :)   that's it.

This is good to read whichever PARTY you think you belong to. It should make everyone consider their voting VERY seriously. How did a media person ever write something like this? 

** 545 People**
By Charlie Reese
Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.

Have you ever wondered why, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, we have deficits?

Have you ever wondered why, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, we have inflation and high taxes?

You and I don't propose a federal budget. The president does. You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does. You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.

You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does. You and I don't control monetary policy, The Federal Reserve Bank does. One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president and nine
Supreme Court justices - 545 human beings out of the 300 million - are directly,
legally, morally and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered but private central bank. I excluded all the special
interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority.

They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman or a president to do one cotton-picking thing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislato r's responsibility to determine how he votes.

Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.

What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall.

No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits. The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it. The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives
sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes.

Who is the speaker of the House? She is the leader of the majority party. She and fellow House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to. It seems inconceivab le to me that a nation of 300 million cannot replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts - of incompetence and irresponsibility.

I can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people.
 When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair. If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red. If the Marines are in IRAQ, it's because they want them in IRAQ. If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan
not available to the people, it's because they want it that way. There are no insoluble government problems. Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and ad vice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like 'the economy,' 'inflation' or 'politics' that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible. They, and they alone, have the power.
They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses - provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees.

We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!

Charlie Reese is a former columnist of the Orlando Sentinel newspaper. *

*One more comment from BT: Charlie Reese is correct. These 545 people have created many of the problems this country faces. However, it is also true the we, the citizens of this country, reelect approximately 9 0% of the 545 every election. *

*Therefore, we bear a great deal of the responsibility for the mess we have created. *


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RE: published article that makes a lot of sense - 9/26/2008 8:38:33 AM   
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Amen. However 99.346% of the time, they vote from "information" the lobbyists give them, plus all those fun perks might dry up if they actually did what the people, rather the special interests and corporations want.

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RE: published article that makes a lot of sense - 9/26/2008 8:54:03 AM   
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so the question is, will the bailout damage Wall Street or Main Street more?   who do the politicians truly represent in this issue?



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RE: published article that makes a lot of sense - 9/26/2008 8:59:41 AM   
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so the question is, will the bailout damage Wall Street or Main Street more?   who do the politicians truly represent in this issue?

No, the question is when will the American electorate quit whining about how bad things are, get off its collective lazy ass, and do something about it?

Charlie Reese is wrong to blame a mere 545 politicians. The American voters who put those politicians in office are the ones responsible.

Want to know who is responsible for deficits, Iraq, the bailout, and every other governmental defect? Look in a mirror.


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RE: published article that makes a lot of sense - 9/26/2008 9:04:01 AM   
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Make that a good long look if you intend to vote for the Republican candidate for president.....repeating the same actions over and over again and expecting different results..is a pretty good definition of insanity!

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RE: published article that makes a lot of sense - 9/26/2008 9:09:34 AM   
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I like Charlie Reese; we used to get his column in our local paper.  The last I heard, he was having health problems. 

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RE: published article that makes a lot of sense - 9/26/2008 9:11:13 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Make that a good long look if you intend to vote for the Republican or Democratic candidate for president.....repeating the same actions over and over again and expecting different results..is a pretty good definition of insanity!


edited to make your quote correct... 

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RE: published article that makes a lot of sense - 9/26/2008 9:15:10 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Make that a good long look if you intend to vote for the Republican or Democratic candidate for president.....repeating the same actions over and over again and expecting different results..is a pretty good definition of insanity!


edited to make your quote correct... 
Aileen I'll write my post's and you write yours...okay!

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RE: published article that makes a lot of sense - 9/26/2008 9:16:30 AM   
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i ain't voting for either!  dem or repub!  we all voted them in.  so we all hold responsibility for this mess.  i am one voter that will not make that mistake again! 

CL...i believe the OP did address the responsibility that voters hold in this catastrophe!  i agree with gimmie!

These 545 people have created many of the problems this country faces. However, it is also true the we, the citizens of this country, reelect approximately 9 0% of the 545 every election. *

*Therefore, we bear a great deal of the responsibility for the mess we have created. *





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RE: published article that makes a lot of sense - 9/26/2008 9:17:20 AM   
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The "bailout" will definately damage Main Street significantly more than Wall Street or the CEOs.  Guarenteed.  That's why no agreement yet has been reached on the "how" of the bailout.  Please, don't be naieve enough to think that there somehow won't Be a bailout - because there will.  That's where those 545 pieces of shit get their campaign funds, their Lear jets, their free holiday vacations, their 16 houses in multi-million dollar neighborhoods which won't/can't be forclosed on, their stretch limos, invites to hollywood movie premiers and parties, and multi-million dollar Benefits packages.
 
What was it I said just a couple of days ago in another thread, that was oh so conveniently ignored by the vast majority?  Oh yeah - They're ALL WORTHLESS, They're ALL Pieces of Shit, They ALL need to be voted OUT of office and held accountable for their multitude of Crimes.

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112
No, the question is when will the American electorate quit whining about how bad things are, get off its collective lazy ass, and do something about it?

Unfortunately CL, the answer to that one is far to easy:  Never.  As a society, apathy and mediocrity have been encouraged and (to an extent) rewarded for decades now.  We've been encouraged to breed for ever lower intelligence.  We've lowered the standards, when that increasingly bred in lack of intelligence meant there were fewer and fewer who were capable of meeting the previously used standard.  We've allowed FEAR to dictate our actions, and then used that same evil to Justify Inaction a moment later.  We wring our collective hands, moaning like frightened sheeple looking for a "shepard" in the form of the drek we've sent to Washington - when instead we should be marching on Washington with nooses, rifles, rightous indignation, and a firm resolve to hang every single one of them from the lampposts that line Pennsylvania Avenue.

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RE: published article that makes a lot of sense - 9/26/2008 9:18:38 AM   
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Youre also forgetting that I voted for who was running. And why am I to look in a mirror becuase of that? How many times do we say its a choice between bad choices? Or what if we dont vote. Ive done that as well in protest. That does nothing from what I see either.

The only other thing to do is run ourselves. But then we'd get caught up in the same forces that we hate. Im not sure theres a win win solution. Im here to tell you Im one of those lazy americans who got up off my sorry ass, or however you described us, and went to the mat with the big boys. I spent two years out of my life trying to make a certain issue better, for not just myself but for my fellow citizens.

Two years from hell. let me tell you. Yes in the end I did prevail. But Im here to say, altho I did do what needed to be done, I cant say I even advocate others attempt it! It was the most difficult thing Ive ever had to do. Talk about closed doors, tight circles, self interest. Unbelievable. In the end what drove me was the anger. Get mad enough and you might just become that zealot. But expect to suffer if you want change.

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RE: published article that makes a lot of sense - 9/26/2008 9:21:03 AM   
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oh i am not naive about this.  i know there will be a bail out.  i know that the taxpayer/main street will get the shitty end of the stick, as usual!

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RE: published article that makes a lot of sense - 9/26/2008 9:27:51 AM   
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quote:

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Make that a good long look if you intend to vote for the Republican candidate for president.....repeating the same actions over and over again and expecting different results..is a pretty good definition of insanity!

Party affiliation is bullshit. Democrats and Republicans alike have voted for everything you say is insane, and for far longer than George Bush has been in office. The "republicans are evil" mantra is as lame and pathetic as it is ludicrous and stupid. The Democrats are not angels. The Republicans are not devils.

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RE: published article that makes a lot of sense - 9/26/2008 9:30:09 AM   
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i ain't voting for either!  dem or repub!  we all voted them in.  so we all hold responsibility for this mess.  i am one voter that will not make that mistake again! 

CL...i believe the OP did address the responsibility that voters hold in this catastrophe!  i agree with gimmie!

These 545 people have created many of the problems this country faces. However, it is also true the we, the citizens of this country, reelect approximately 9 0% of the 545 every election. *

*Therefore, we bear a great deal of the responsibility for the mess we have created. *





We don't bear "a great deal of the responsibility"; we bear ALL of the responsibility. The Constitution begins with "We the People." This is our country, our government, and therefore our problem and our fuckup.

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RE: published article that makes a lot of sense - 9/26/2008 9:31:42 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: celticlord2112


quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Make that a good long look if you intend to vote for the Republican candidate for president.....repeating the same actions over and over again and expecting different results..is a pretty good definition of insanity!

Party affiliation is bullshit. Democrats and Republicans alike have voted for everything you say is insane, and for far longer than George Bush has been in office. The "republicans are evil" mantra is as lame and pathetic as it is ludicrous and stupid. The Democrats are not angels. The Republicans are not devils.
You know CL coming from you I find this post to be disengenuous,who was it starting all those Obama is a socialist thread...the Democrats are socialists... etc.etc.....please there is no poster here with a more partisan track record than you....

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RE: published article that makes a lot of sense - 9/26/2008 9:32:14 AM   
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You want plans for a Win-Win on this Sophia?
 
Those plans start with a 300 million strong Lynch Mob marching on Washington. 
 
From there, we go to Firing all 545 of those currently in Washington office - out of the torpedo tubes of a sub stationed at a depth of no less than 3000ft in the Laurenthian Absymal.  This part in and of itself should make any future wannabe political crooks think twice prior to running for office.
 
After which we collectively - 300 million strong - vote in a constitutional amendment limiting ALL politicians - regardless of office, regardless of whether they be running for local, state, or federal - to 2 Collective terms.  Meaning, bluntly, that they're barred BY LAW from ever running for ANY other public office - even at a different level - once they've served 2 terms in ANY other capacity of public/elected office.
 
For those who would whine that "2 terms doesn't give them time to learn the job" - BULLSHIT!  It gives them PLENTY of time to learn the job, if they actually Work At It and have at least Some modicum of Intelligence.  Frankly - if you went to work for someone tomorrow and couldn't learn the fucking job in 8 years, you'd get fired LONG before that time was up and NO ONE ELSE IN THE INDUSTRY WOULD CONSIDER HIRING YOU!!!!!!!!!  All it would Really do is Severely Limit the amount of DAMAGE that any one person could accomplish, and it would make it significantly more difficult for the corporates and lobbiests to line their pockets to the point where they forget why they went to Washington in the first place.

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RE: published article that makes a lot of sense - 9/26/2008 9:33:58 AM   
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CL...for the most part both are devils.......well, in mho.




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RE: published article that makes a lot of sense - 9/26/2008 9:37:18 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: celticlord2112


quote:

ORIGINAL: bestbabync

i ain't voting for either!  dem or repub!  we all voted them in.  so we all hold responsibility for this mess.  i am one voter that will not make that mistake again! 

CL...i believe the OP did address the responsibility that voters hold in this catastrophe!  i agree with gimmie!

These 545 people have created many of the problems this country faces. However, it is also true the we, the citizens of this country, reelect approximately 9 0% of the 545 every election. *

*Therefore, we bear a great deal of the responsibility for the mess we have created. *





We don't bear "a great deal of the responsibility"; we bear ALL of the responsibility. The Constitution begins with "We the People." This is our country, our government, and therefore our problem and our fuckup.


exactly...CL!  i am not disagreeing with you.  you are preaching to the choir!  i am just adding a little more to that position.  we all need to vote and fire their evil, money grabbing, self-centered asses!

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RE: published article that makes a lot of sense - 9/26/2008 9:37:26 AM   
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Make that a good long look if you intend to vote for the Republican candidate for president.....repeating the same actions over and over again and expecting different results..is a pretty good definition of insanity!

Party affiliation is bullshit. Democrats and Republicans alike have voted for everything you say is insane, and for far longer than George Bush has been in office. The "republicans are evil" mantra is as lame and pathetic as it is ludicrous and stupid. The Democrats are not angels. The Republicans are not devils.


So much for accountability. What's lame and pathetic is that those that should be taking the blame for this crap are keeping nice and quiet. No honour, no sense of responsibility, cowardly scums of the earth. I blame George Bush and his government's insane anti-regulation ideology.

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RE: published article that makes a lot of sense - 9/26/2008 9:40:05 AM   
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slvemike....you have your head completely in the sand if you remotely think that Democrats are any better than Republicans.  They are just as corrupt, selfish, egotistical and out for themselves (ie politicians) as Republicans.  The entire makeup of our government has had fucked up priorities for a very long time now.  The American people are no where near the top of that list, if they're even on it at all. 

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