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Make that a good long look if you intend to vote for the Republican or Democratic candidate for president.....repeating the same actions over and over again and expecting different results..is a pretty good definition of insanity!

edited to make your quote correct... 

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ORIGINAL: hizgeorgiapeach

CL actually makes a good point, though he goes about expressing it in a manner which (apparantly from most of the responces to it so far) is inadequate at best.
 
Party IS bullshit when it comes time for nutcuttin.  Bush couldn't have accomplished the amount of damage that he accomplished, had he not had ACTIVE COOPERATION from folks in ALL PARTIES who are currently in offfice.  There simply wouldn't have been sufficient votes,  period.  This is absolutely NOT a "the republicans are to blame" or "the democrats are to blame" issue.  Both republicans And democrats ARE CULPABLE.
 
Hmmm... come to think of it, for the Majority of the 8 years that Bush has been in office - oh, wait, no, ALL of that 8 years - we've had a Primarily Democrat congress.
 
Now what, really, does this say?  What this says to ME is that Bush couldn't have done ANYTHING - at all - no entangling us in a war, no trillion dollar buget busting deficits, no multi-billion dollar bailouts time and again - had he not had not only the Active Cooperation of the democratic majority, but their APPROVAL as well.
 
Is Bush evil?  Personally, I think he's Satan's 2nd cousin, and Obama's and McCain's big brother.  Mrs. Clinton was standing there smiling when he was crowned as Beelzebub's sucessor.  It's simply that no one knew Mr. Clinton's secret name was Beelzebub.
 
When are the lot of  you (yes, this means ALL of you who are SO guilty of Partisan Bickering, regardless of which party you prefer to tout - so feel free to take it personally if you're one of those posters who regularly cries "it's the Other party's fault, they're the Evil Ones") going to get past this inane bullshit, whining at each other to prop yourselves up because you'd rather argue with your personal whipping boy/girl on the boards than open your collective eyes?  Has not ONE of you stopped yet to consider that THIS - this very bickering amongst us all - is what LED to the current mess of political incompitants in office?  Yep - the bickering is what does it, because they use Party Affiliation to slip folks backing the Same Piss Poor Policy Decisions into office Every Time.  There is NO difference in politicians, despite what you'd like to believe, and what they're happy to Have you believe, and pat you on the head For believing.  Frankly - if folks aren't intelligent enough, and don't have their eyes open enough, to see that - then the human race is more hopeless than I gave it credit for.

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There are basic differences to the core tenets of each of the party's despite your and CL's assertion....Republican's are the party of big business and deregulation..and all the revision in the world will notg change that...

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You know CL coming from you I find this post to be disengenuous,who was it starting all those Obama is a socialist thread...the Democrats are socialists... etc.etc.....please there is no poster here with a more partisan track record than you....

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You know CL coming from you I find this post to be disengenuous,who was it starting all those Obama is a socialist thread...the Democrats are socialists... etc.etc.....please there is no poster here with a more partisan track record than you....

I make no secret that I despise the inane, insane, inept, and incompetent politicians the Democratic Party insists on putting forward as candidates. The fact that the Democratic Party has proved utterly unable to accomplish anything since gaining control of the Congress in 2006 is reason enough to excoriate them as a party unworthy of national prominence and utterly unable to provide anything resembling governance (screw good governance, the Democrats don't provide even bad governance).

The Democrats have the votes to bring the troops home from Iraq, if that is their desire--they have not done so. The Democrats have the votes to end deficit spending, if that is their desire--they have not done so. The Democrats have the votes to sponsor and subsidize all these pie-in-the-sky alternative energy boondoggles--and they have not done so. In every test of political leadership since 2006, the Democratic Party members currently sitting in congress have, collectively, failed miserably. If the Republican Party hacks are bad, the Democratic Party hacks are ten times worse.

Even in their primary campaigns, the Democratic Party managed to make what should be a relatively straightforward process and turn it into the mother of all Chinese fire drills. Howard Dean, the Clintons, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and The One do the Keystone Kops proud.

I also make no secret that John McCain is, hands down, the best choice for President in this election cycle. That The One would even make pretense that he has merit to stand for elective office is a sick and pathetic joke.

However, my criticisms are and will ever be about the people. I would loathe The One if he were a Republican, and I would tout McCain if he were a Democrat. I would support Democrats if they would get behind policies that respected individuals and depart from the leftist lunatic socialism they have been pushing for 40 years. I don't like most Republicans, but I detest them a whole lot less than most Democrats.

Granted, it is true that I am less vocal about Republican sins than Democratic ones. Given the number of posters here willing to assign all blame to Republicans, I prefer to inject a dose of reality by highlighting the innumerable ways in which Democrats also are fully responsible

However, none of that alters the fact that American voters put these hacks in office, that American voters keep these hacks in office, and that if American voters don't like what these hacks are doing, American voters have no one to blame but themselves.

That's not disingenuous. That's reality.

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Oh baby, November is gonna suck for you isn't it? ~hugs~


  

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Both parties are bullshit. They don't address the real issues, they play off of peoples morality and personal fears. Abortion, gun control, gay rights, etc...those are personal matters. The government needs to run the country, make and pass sensible budgets, provide for a military that is for defense of our territory, basically lead in a matter befitting the nation we used to be. Ignorance and apathy are destroying our nation, when the evening news is all filler, with no issues discussed, and when we care (collectively) about pop stars and sports than our own country, then frankly we are already teetering on the edge. And frankly that's sad and disheartening to see almost 250 years of freedom and hope for the millions before us forgotten.

So, Rhi is right, 2 terms for any office. Keep lobbyists out of DC. Make the butt-holes spend more time in their home districts, talking to and finding out what their people need. And finally, I say ban both parties and let news ones evolve. That would be a huge breath of fresh air.

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Sorry hiz georgiapeach,you have misundertood the need for a reality check....you asserted democrats have been in control of the congress for the majority of Bush's Presidency(capitalizing those words just seem wrong)they have not...and no form of revisionist math will make your assertion true
CL when you say the Democrats have the votes....I'm hoping your aware they do not have a veto-proof majority and never have during the entirety of bushies presidency(that felt better)
You started a thread a few weeks ago asking for opinions on bushies legacy...care to suggest one now,in light of the single biggest socialist proposal this country ha ever seen?

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Oh baby, November is gonna suck for you isn't it? ~hugs~


  

Categorically wrong. Come November I will vote. I will have my say on the future leadership of this country. I will cast my vote in good conscience and in the certainty that I have made a considered, informed, reasoned judgment and not been blinded by empty celebrity and meaningless words. I will rest easy knowing that I made a choice--possibly a bad choice, most likely a good choice--and that by making that choice I will have not passed the buck on the future of this country as a question above my pay grade.

And after November, regardless of who wins the Oval Office, I will run my business, tend to my slave, provide for my household. I will laugh and cry, eat and sleep, with goodly doses of kinky sex in between--just like I do now.

November will not suck for me. No month ever sucks for me. That's not in the range of acceptable outcomes.

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ORIGINAL: rexrgisformidoni

Both parties are bullshit. They don't address the real issues, they play off of peoples morality and personal fears. Abortion, gun control, gay rights, etc...those are personal matters. The government needs to run the country, make and pass sensible budgets, provide for a military that is for defense of our territory, basically lead in a matter befitting the nation we used to be. Ignorance and apathy are destroying our nation, when the evening news is all filler, with no issues discussed, and when we care (collectively) about pop stars and sports than our own country, then frankly we are already teetering on the edge. And frankly that's sad and disheartening to see almost 250 years of freedom and hope for the millions before us forgotten.

So, Rhi is right, 2 terms for any office. Keep lobbyists out of DC. Make the butt-holes spend more time in their home districts, talking to and finding out what their people need. And finally, I say ban both parties and let news ones evolve. That would be a huge breath of fresh air.

I can't agree with this either.

I have plenty of criticisms of both major parties and some of the third parties (which could much more realistically run, in my view at least). But the government (yes, while making a mess in many cases) successfully handles quite a few things we simply take for granted--because they run relatively smoothly.

Tim