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RE: Appreciating male bottoms - 9/28/2008 2:18:42 PM   
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I get to have this discussion quite often with someone who I've exchanged emails here through CM for some time.  We've debated the pros and cons of bottoms and submissives to no end.  I'll try to relay some of that here.

I don't think it's so much that bottoms are viewed in a dim light.  I have a few that I play with from time to time.  It's fun.  Don't get Me wrong about that.  I do appreciate them for their time and effort.  Not to mention the opportunity to allow My top side out to romp.  Still, it's not the same as the whole package.  Yes, in a sense, the bottom is pleasing Me during and immediately following a scene.  That is a need of Mine.  However, I have other needs, too.  Those are needs that a bottom doesn't generally fulfill because what we have isn't structured that way.

While the bottoms are good at pleasing Me, I'll still take the submissive who bottoms for Me over them every time.  I would have to think that might be how the majority of female tops out there  view it, just from the responses I get when making that particular statement.  I also happen to believe that is why so many bottoms claim to be submissive, rather than the bottom that they are.  Many recognize that, from the top's perspective, the submissive is really offering more.  If the deck is stacked so heavily in the female top's favor, that bottom knows where he is in the line up.

I do agree quite a bit with what LadyH said.  I would much rather deal with a bottom who can just say who he is so we can get on with it.  The honest approach is one of the best ways to get play time with Me.  It saves so much time and trouble.


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RE: Appreciating male bottoms - 9/28/2008 4:01:05 PM   
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I also see  that some people just find that box to check and  may not be a submissive at all  , yet later through self discovery  they find out .No yer speaking  fine , thanks for your feedback  as always

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Lady Hibiscus > what about just getting to know a bottom and having that bottom say here and present  themselves to you .Not so much i want you to be a " service Top " for me and do X Y Z  and many other  letters in the alphabet , but rather  the two of you  enjoy your common bdsm ? Perhaps i am in agreement with your statement but with added words , i dunno . 


Sorry, I must not be speaking clearly anymore...  I would LOVE to meet a bottom player that actually came out and said, I just want to bottom, none of that "serving" stuff!  (and I have met a few! )  I think people who love to PLAY are great, and I wish that people didn't feel this need to fit into a dom or sub box.  What I meant by disappointment is those who present as submissive then turn out to be anything but.   After trying to pull off a deception, they come off as selfish, rather than confused, and mess up their future chances.

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RE: Appreciating male bottoms - 9/28/2008 4:10:03 PM   
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I enjoy time with bottoms. Don't get me wrong, I adore our servants, and we really have a much more intimate relationship with them--a more well-rounded relationship. But because of my particular kinks, I usually end up with servants who are submissive, but them not wanting anything to do with my more sadistic games... so I end up doing blood-sport with bottoms who are not necessarily submissive... just into receiving pain that I'm interest in inflicting. It's a different experience when you're both equals on opposite ends of a needle or blade, and mutually enjoying an activity. In some ways, there's a lot less pressure under those terms, at least, in my experience.

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RE: Appreciating male bottoms - 9/28/2008 5:18:02 PM   
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It's unfortunate that male bottoms are viewed in a dim light. 

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Hi Ma`am, could the reason many males are not open about being a bottom, be due to the fact that any who openly state that are accused of being "Do me" types ?

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RE: Appreciating male bottoms - 9/29/2008 8:03:51 AM   
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*raising my hand*

i do not have enough experience to truely call myself a sub. so, for now, i do know i'm a bottom and perhaps one day...



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RE: Appreciating male bottoms - 9/29/2008 10:58:03 AM   
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It's unfortunate that male bottoms are viewed in a dim light. 

Akasha



Hi Ma`am, could the reason many males are not open about being a bottom, be due to the fact that any who openly state that are accused of being "Do me" types ?


A "do me" type can also be a submissive with unrealistic or specific expectations.

A "do me" bottom is one who likes *specific* acts done to him; ie, he is into CBT, but not bondage and will never do bondage, and he expects a self proclaimed bondage fetish to just indulge his cbt fetish.  A bottom can be selfless by being open, willing to endure a wide variety of physical and emotional sadism because his top enjoys it, even though the acts are not enjoyable in themselves.

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RE: Appreciating male bottoms - 9/30/2008 7:08:33 AM   
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Well, as a girl who likes playing with men, my preference are males who are chemistry-wise compatible with me and really I don't care if hes bottom or sub titled, we just have to be into each other. And that is not easy to find. Look girls aren't like boys. Guys will play where ever they can. Guys will play with WHOEVER says "yes". Even if they don't want to admit it or not. Most guys are that desperate. They don't have a lot of standards. Girls do. Girls are picky. A girl isn't going play with a bottom just because it's a opportunity to get some sexual gratification going. Nope. It doesn't work like that. What's the bottom going to do for her? If he doesn't ring her bell, get her panties wet, guess what? She isn't going to lay one finger on him. And why should she? That's the problem. It has nothing to do with dommes and bottoms. It has all to do with the nature of men and women. Bottoms think because she's a domme that she will want to dominate every dick on the block. That's why your so dang right. It's a huge ass misconception. Bottoms have to mean something to the domme, something more than just a guy who wants some kink. Okay, bottom guys should go for male doms to play with them. They would have better luck. Male doms don't discriminate as much. Its true though OP ^^^

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RE: Appreciating male bottoms - 9/30/2008 9:52:46 AM   
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Well, as a girl who likes playing with men, my preference are males who are chemistry-wise compatible with me and really I don't care if hes bottom or sub titled, we just have to be into each other. And that is not easy to find. Look girls aren't like boys. Guys will play where ever they can. Guys will play with WHOEVER says "yes". Even if they don't want to admit it or not. Most guys are that desperate. They don't have a lot of standards. Girls do. Girls are picky. A girl isn't going play with a bottom just because it's a opportunity to get some sexual gratification going. Nope. It doesn't work like that. What's the bottom going to do for her? If he doesn't ring her bell, get her panties wet, guess what? She isn't going to lay one finger on him. And why should she? That's the problem. It has nothing to do with dommes and bottoms. It has all to do with the nature of men and women. Bottoms think because she's a domme that she will want to dominate every dick on the block. That's why your so dang right. It's a huge ass misconception. Bottoms have to mean something to the domme, something more than just a guy who wants some kink. Okay, bottom guys should go for male doms to play with them. They would have better luck. Male doms don't discriminate as much. Its true though OP ^^^


Overgeneralization. True of some guys, but certainly not all, and maybe not even most. I'd agree that, on average, women seem to be pickier than guys. But the assessment above goes way overboard.

Don't forget that your personal experience is a skewed sample. You're much more likely to be contacted by guys who aren't discriminating than by guys who are. There are plenty of guys who are very discriminating; by definition, not many women hear from them.

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RE: Appreciating male bottoms - 9/30/2008 10:07:10 AM   
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I adore male bottoms.. if they have a bit of a service streak in them.. all the better...

this site doesn't even have Top and bottom as alternatives... I meet more Tops and bottoms in real life than I do dominants and submissives...

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RE: Appreciating male bottoms - 9/30/2008 10:36:32 AM   
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quote:

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Well, as a girl who likes playing with men, my preference are males who are chemistry-wise compatible with me and really I don't care if hes bottom or sub titled, we just have to be into each other. And that is not easy to find. Look girls aren't like boys. Guys will play where ever they can. Guys will play with WHOEVER says "yes". Even if they don't want to admit it or not. Most guys are that desperate. They don't have a lot of standards. Girls do. Girls are picky. A girl isn't going play with a bottom just because it's a opportunity to get some sexual gratification going. Nope. It doesn't work like that. What's the bottom going to do for her? If he doesn't ring her bell, get her panties wet, guess what? She isn't going to lay one finger on him. And why should she? That's the problem. It has nothing to do with dommes and bottoms. It has all to do with the nature of men and women. Bottoms think because she's a domme that she will want to dominate every dick on the block. That's why your so dang right. It's a huge ass misconception. Bottoms have to mean something to the domme, something more than just a guy who wants some kink. Okay, bottom guys should go for male doms to play with them. They would have better luck. Male doms don't discriminate as much. Its true though OP ^^^


Overgeneralization. True of some guys, but certainly not all, and maybe not even most. I'd agree that, on average, women seem to be pickier than guys. But the assessment above goes way overboard.

Don't forget that your personal experience is a skewed sample. You're much more likely to be contacted by guys who aren't discriminating than by guys who are. There are plenty of guys who are very discriminating; by definition, not many women hear from them.


well if I said "Every guy" or "All guys" or "each and every guy" ..... I could see you thinking I was overgeneralizing. But I didn't. So calm down. I don't have to clarify it's "My opinion" with every single thing I write. Most people know enough about boards to understand that when a person writes "I" they are just justa talkin' about themselves and they don't need a disclaimer like "IMO" for every line they write. Also, most people know the difference between "'Guys' are... blah blah blah" VERSUS "'All' guys are...... blah blah blah." So unless you see me writing "ALL" or "EVERY" calm yourself about people generalizing. Relax.

And another thing. Who are you kidding about guys being discriminatory. Pleeze. Guys have the lowest standards ever. You know it.

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RE: Appreciating male bottoms - 9/30/2008 11:25:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MISTRESSKUMA


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Well, as a girl who likes playing with men, my preference are males who are chemistry-wise compatible with me and really I don't care if hes bottom or sub titled, we just have to be into each other. And that is not easy to find. Look girls aren't like boys. Guys will play where ever they can. Guys will play with WHOEVER says "yes". Even if they don't want to admit it or not. Most guys are that desperate. They don't have a lot of standards. Girls do. Girls are picky. A girl isn't going play with a bottom just because it's a opportunity to get some sexual gratification going. Nope. It doesn't work like that. What's the bottom going to do for her? If he doesn't ring her bell, get her panties wet, guess what? She isn't going to lay one finger on him. And why should she? That's the problem. It has nothing to do with dommes and bottoms. It has all to do with the nature of men and women. Bottoms think because she's a domme that she will want to dominate every dick on the block. That's why your so dang right. It's a huge ass misconception. Bottoms have to mean something to the domme, something more than just a guy who wants some kink. Okay, bottom guys should go for male doms to play with them. They would have better luck. Male doms don't discriminate as much. Its true though OP ^^^


Overgeneralization. True of some guys, but certainly not all, and maybe not even most. I'd agree that, on average, women seem to be pickier than guys. But the assessment above goes way overboard.

Don't forget that your personal experience is a skewed sample. You're much more likely to be contacted by guys who aren't discriminating than by guys who are. There are plenty of guys who are very discriminating; by definition, not many women hear from them.


well if I said "Every guy" or "All guys" or "each and every guy" ..... I could see you thinking I was overgeneralizing. But I didn't. So calm down. I don't have to clarify it's "My opinion" with every single thing I write. Most people know enough about boards to understand that when a person writes "I" they are just justa talkin' about themselves and they don't need a disclaimer like "IMO" for every line they write. Also, most people know the difference between "'Guys' are... blah blah blah" VERSUS "'All' guys are...... blah blah blah." So unless you see me writing "ALL" or "EVERY" calm yourself about people generalizing. Relax.

And another thing. Who are you kidding about guys being discriminatory. Pleeze. Guys have the lowest standards ever. You know it.


Well excuse me! ROFL! There's something seriously wrong with your reading skills if you see anything that's not calm in my post. Maybe YOU should try to calm down?

I didn't write or imply that you were referring to "all guys". And nothing I wrote had anything to do with the other "disclaimer" issues you ranted about. I agree with you about those things. Statements should be read in the proper context, and automatically assuming the worst possible interpretation by nitpicking about precise wording and such, well that's just silly.

I didn't do anything of the sort. Your post spoke about "guys" in general, not "all guys", or "every guy", but clearly you didn't mean "only some guys", or "a few specific guys". You're clearly saying that, in general, guys aren't picky at all. You certainly can't deny that, you repeated it in your reply to me. I'm saying that even that is a bit of an overgeneralization.

I'm saying that "guys" in general, may be much more discriminating than you realize, because you're basing your opinion on your experience, and your exposure is extremely limited. In other words, picky guys don't pick you, so you don't even know they exist. They may even be in the majority.

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RE: Appreciating male bottoms - 9/30/2008 11:38:09 AM   
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In other words, picky guys don't pick you,



Good grief man. Give me a break, will ya.


I'll generalize about you. "No picky girls pick you." Get that stick out of your ass, bytch.

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RE: Appreciating male bottoms - 9/30/2008 11:39:29 AM   
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I think it's true that many men ARE desperate, and will attach themselves to whomever for a bit of attention.   How else can we explain the barrage of emails, or the guys who go from person to person at the public events, asking to play?  I can't begin to imagine where these men fall on the spectrum of bottom<>submissive.  Perhaps nowhere?   It's sad that these unappealing and desperate types poison the well for those that are sincere, especially considering that the sincere and discriminating men are in the majority.

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RE: Appreciating male bottoms - 9/30/2008 11:39:37 AM   
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Everyone knows guys don't discriminate and will fuck anything with a hole. You know it.

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RE: Appreciating male bottoms - 9/30/2008 11:41:02 AM   
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Those that are bottoms to some are tops to others, submissive to some and slave to the right ones. I do not so much concern myself with what they say they are as much as I do who they are. Their abilities can be oned once the relationship is in place, but I dont judge the person by the title.

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RE: Appreciating male bottoms - 9/30/2008 11:47:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MISTRESSKUMA
Everyone knows guys don't discriminate and will fuck anything with a hole. You know it.


And there you have it Ladies and Gentlemen...we men have been reduced to a one line stereotype.

If you will excuse me, I have to go get arrested in the doughnut shop...

Edit:  No, I ken spl rly i ken...


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RE: Appreciating male bottoms - 9/30/2008 11:48:38 AM   
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You have doughnuts, Otter?  I love doughnuts...

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RE: Appreciating male bottoms - 9/30/2008 11:50:01 AM   
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I think it's true that many men ARE desperate, and will attach themselves to whomever for a bit of attention.   How else can we explain the barrage of emails, or the guys who go from person to person at the public events, asking to play?  I can't begin to imagine where these men fall on the spectrum of bottom<>submissive.  Perhaps nowhere?   It's sad that these unappealing and desperate types poison the well for those that are sincere, especially considering that the sincere and discriminating men are in the majority.



"It's sad that these unappealing and desperate types poison the well for those that are sincere, especially considering that the sincere and discriminating men are in the majority."

AMEN. Too bad it's the majority that rules. ::ROLLS EYES::

"barrage of emails, or the guys who go from person to person at the public events, asking to play?" You got that right!


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RE: Appreciating male bottoms - 9/30/2008 11:58:00 AM   
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You have doughnuts, Otter?  I love doughnuts...


Ah, and it was such a good line too...i ken spel gud...

Thanks Lady H for the gentle correction. 


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RE: Appreciating male bottoms - 9/30/2008 12:20:46 PM   
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Shoot, Otter, if there was a typo I missed it!  I was just swooning over the possibility of doughnuts! 

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