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Please help me understand why... - 9/28/2008 9:45:14 AM   
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Many things I can figure out, but please help me understand how verbally hurting a sub makes a D/s relationship better.
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RE: Please help me understand why... - 9/28/2008 9:46:09 AM   
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It doesn't make any relationship of MINE better. 


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RE: Please help me understand why... - 9/28/2008 9:46:28 AM   
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maybe thats the dynamic?

If you're talking about yourself, in your relationship, it's time to have a sit down with your d-type and tell him/her how you feel about it.

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RE: Please help me understand why... - 9/28/2008 10:34:48 AM   
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It doesn't make any relationship of MINE better. 


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Mine either. Not my kink. Sounds like it's not the Op's kink either, which leads me to believe the two in question are incompatible.


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RE: Please help me understand why... - 9/28/2008 11:28:43 AM   
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Maybe what you consider "verbally hurting" to you is a turnon for him.

There are lots of people here who find it hot to call another certain terms.

It sounds like you need to discuss it with your partner. You may both have different ideas on this.

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RE: Please help me understand why... - 9/28/2008 11:32:17 AM   
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please help me understand how verbally hurting a sub makes a D/s relationship better.


Some people are in a sado/maso dynamic where they enjoying playing with emotional/mental pain. 


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RE: Please help me understand why... - 9/28/2008 11:40:13 AM   
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It certainly doesn't help or improve my relationship with anyone, much less with Daddy.  If it is someone's kink, well that's one thing, and making sure the couple's kinks are compatible is key.  I do not respond well to hurtful speech, Daddy knows this and does His best to make sure He doesn't talk to me in a hurtful way.

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RE: Please help me understand why... - 9/28/2008 12:05:20 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ShySubbie2ServeU

Many things I can figure out, but please help me understand how verbally hurting a sub makes a D/s relationship better.
thank you


What kind of verbally hurting are we talking about? Is something that was done to you or something you saw being done? There are things Val says to me that look awful from an outsiders point of view but, to me, are actually sweet or sexy.

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RE: Please help me understand why... - 9/28/2008 12:08:10 PM   
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What I thought once was "verbally hurting words" from a D-type was actually the cold hard truth that he was trying to make me realize and because I didn't want to hear it, well I thought he was being a mean Daddy and I pouted.  I look back and was glad for those "mean" words because they were truth and helped me look deep inside of me and....in all honest may have hit like icy cold water but helped like a warm compress.

And then.....

there are those D-types that i have found enjoy breaking a girl down and remolding her and making her emotionally needy of their approval from the style of their hair to the color of their toe nails.....

Just MHO

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RE: Please help me understand why... - 9/28/2008 12:26:50 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: KatyLied

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please help me understand how verbally hurting a sub makes a D/s relationship better.


Some people are in a sado/maso dynamic where they enjoying playing with emotional/mental pain. 




What she said.

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RE: Please help me understand why... - 9/28/2008 12:27:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

maybe thats the dynamic?

If you're talking about yourself, in your relationship, it's time to have a sit down with your d-type and tell him/her how you feel about it.


What she said, too.

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RE: Please help me understand why... - 9/28/2008 12:53:38 PM   
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Ditto, without context for the question I can't answer without writing a novel or three.  Where are you coming from on this, OP?

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RE: Please help me understand why... - 9/28/2008 5:08:20 PM   
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Where does this occur?  Is it only in the bedroom?  Some people get off on calling another a slut or being called one during sex.

Is it not during sex?  That's a small red flag.  It's a bigger one if he does it after you tell him it does nothing for you.

It's not in public, is it?


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RE: Please help me understand why... - 9/28/2008 5:33:17 PM   
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It's a bigger one if he does it after you tell him it does nothing for you.


Wow.  A big red flag?  I'm going to remember this the next a dominant does something that "does nothing" for me.  I wonder if he'll listen to my whine and adjust his behavior?


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RE: Please help me understand why... - 9/28/2008 5:50:15 PM   
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yea, i think when he says, 'does nothing for you', he was soft-peddling it. I suspect he meant - 'you find it hurtful and offensive, it is damaging to you, interfers with the dynamic for you, and you had talked to D and basicly called it a limit'. In that case, yea, big red flag.
I like getting called a slut. It is Master's love name for me. When he wants coffee, He yells from his office, 'Slut!' When we are at the munch, he introduces me as his slut. But, he knows this is a love name for me and I am fine with it.
OTOH, I have a 14 y.o. persona as one of my age play littles. She does NOT like being called a slut - you will get a 14 y.o. in tears. He never calls me slut when I am 'in' her.
There is a woman who attends our munch who has talked before about names. She says she is fine with slut, but cunt has history for her - it is what her vanilla ex-husband called her, she says, until she 'would have had to look at my drivers licence to remeber i ever had another name.' It is so hurtful to her that she can not even now, utter the word herself. She says her ex called her 'cut up but not tied, if you know what i mean.' She started out explaining that the difference was the terms, and I told her, no, it wasn't. My last Master's pet name for me was slavecunt, and I loved it. The difference is the way it is said, and with what intent.
but no matter the intent. no thoughtful Master would go (IMO) calling her cunt, unless they were carefully working on dealing with her issue with it. To just use the name like he might with someone else, without care and ect, ect - would be a red flag. I believe that is the kind of thing that D.S. is saying.
Of course, the OP gave us so little info, we don't know if she has a Master who is doing this - a Master who is calling her things because she hasn't expressed that it is hurtful to her - or just saw somoene else and was offended by somoene elses dynamic.

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RE: Please help me understand why... - 9/28/2008 6:09:42 PM   
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 Thank you all for your responses and help. I've re-read all your posts gleaning help from all of you. The question came about because of my conversation last night and how i felt afterwords. 
I am so new to all this but I am learning that terms like slut at certain times aren't neccassarily meant as a bad thing. So they don't hurt as much as they used to. I understand there can be a time and place for those.
So yes, as suggested talking to him is the best approach (and the Hardest thing for me to do btw lol)
I guess I was wanting to find out if this was behaviour I should accept because it's how things work or if it was just a human thing.
Thank you all again. You've all helped me not feel as worthless as I felt this morning when I posted.
Best to you all and have a great evening.

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RE: Please help me understand why... - 9/28/2008 6:17:40 PM   
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best wishes, shy :)  And remember.. COMMUNICATION!! If something is NOT working for you, TALK to him *hug*

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RE: Please help me understand why... - 9/29/2008 1:25:38 AM   
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Learning to communicate to the level required for a D/s relationship to really work at it's best requires so much transparancy - emotional nakedness - it can be the hardest thing.
Consider blogging. Just start a blog and have him read it everyday, and you will be able to put your reactions to things, as well as your hopes and fantasies, and so many other things in there as a way of communicating. Try starting with an essay on name calling!

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RE: Please help me understand why... - 9/29/2008 4:59:19 AM   
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Some people enjoy humiliation, others cannot tolerate it.

We tried it, once. The experiment was ended immediately and is never going to be repeated. For us, it's a hard limit.

You need to say to your D type that you cannot tolerate it and are listing it as a hard limit. If he does it again, get up and walk away. Either he has anger management problems or cannot respect anyone else's limits in that case.

But if you haven't told him this is not acceptable, then how is he to know? He isn't a mind reader.

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RE: Please help me understand why... - 9/29/2008 3:00:32 PM   
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Because the sex pixies say so.

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