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WhiplashSmile2 -> RE: Being Friends with past partners (9/29/2008 4:13:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

You wasted all that time and energy trying to be friends with someone who didn't try to be friends with you. Why?

You gave her too many details about your private life. Why?

You need better boundaries.


If you are talking about Kinky BDSM things,  keep in mind her and I had lot's of kinky sex together.  She's twisted and kinky as well.  She's into bondage, spankings, pain, watersports and other things.  Was not a question of revealing details of life when you are doing these things with somebody physically.  :-)   Hell she was even into Exhibitionism as well.  She tends to want to slip out of her clothes and wants to go running through the streets naked, hence some of her previous arrest record. Trust me this girl is far from being a plain vanilla type of girl herself.

In terms of my private life, I refused to go into details about the new girl with her and it was driving her nuts.  I was trying to keep it simple.   Hence why she called my Mom, hoping she was still on good terms with my mom.   Keep in mind, this girl has met my mom and this girl was part of my life for awhile.   This was not some Long Distance relationship, it's somebody from the real time, that was in my real time life.  She's only 30 miles away from me.  Hop Skip and a Jump for distance. 





DesFIP -> RE: Being Friends with past partners (9/29/2008 4:24:40 AM)

No, I'm talking about why you chose not to respect your present gf by giving the ex details about her.
It doesn't matter what you used to do with her, when you talk about intimate things with her now, you are being intimate. You are allowing her, welcoming her into your present relationship.

No wonder she felt fine asking for sex from you, you talked sexually to her. Your boundaries weren't clear.

For a while I used one mechanic in town then I switched to another. What I'm not doing is going back and talking to the first one about my car, even though he used to work on it. If I run into him at the diner in the morning, I would say hello. I wouldn't start talking to him about the funny noise it was making and then say I was taking it to someone else. Talking to him about it would give him the message I wanted him to work on it, by giving that message and then finishing up by saying I was taking it to someone else would be a needless slap in the face after deliberately giving the wrong message.

I'm assuming you did talk to your ex occasionally about nonsexual things. Talk about those: How's the job going and did she finish that big project; how is her mother, you send your best and hope she's gotten rid of the mice she was battling. Nonsexual conversation.




WhiplashSmile2 -> RE: Being Friends with past partners (9/29/2008 4:34:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

No, I'm talking about why you chose not to respect your present gf by giving the ex details about her.
It doesn't matter what you used to do with her, when you talk about intimate things with her now, you are being intimate. You are allowing her, welcoming her into your present relationship.

No wonder she felt fine asking for sex from you, you talked sexually to her. Your boundaries weren't clear.

For a while I used one mechanic in town then I switched to another. What I'm not doing is going back and talking to the first one about my car, even though he used to work on it. If I run into him at the diner in the morning, I would say hello. I wouldn't start talking to him about the funny noise it was making and then say I was taking it to someone else. Talking to him about it would give him the message I wanted him to work on it, by giving that message and then finishing up by saying I was taking it to someone else would be a needless slap in the face after deliberately giving the wrong message.

I'm assuming you did talk to your ex occasionally about nonsexual things. Talk about those: How's the job going and did she finish that big project; how is her mother, you send your best and hope she's gotten rid of the mice she was battling. Nonsexual conversation.


The details I gave to me Ex are as follows.   I met somebody online, I really like her and I'm exploring things with her.  She lives a few hours away.   That's all my Ex knows about the "new girl".   I refused to cough up any in depth details.  I was not talking sexually to my Ex either.   My Ex was talking sexually towards me and I shot down her notions of sex, why?  Because I'm interested in somebody else. 

I've not engaged in sexual conversation with my EX for months now!!!!  Did I not make it clear?  Friends without Benifits and I've keep it non-sexual.   When she found out about "the New Girl" my Ex Literally kicked it up and was trying to cross these boundaries!!   These are the Very Boundaries that I felt she did not respect!  My Ex was trying to Cross and push those lines with me. 

Where in the world did you get the impression I was talking Sex with my EX???  Where Did you get the impression I went into Dept and detail about the New Girl with my EX?   I think you misread something, or are injecting your own thoughts into my posts??




WhiplashSmile2 -> RE: Being Friends with past partners (9/29/2008 4:44:43 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

No, I'm talking about why you chose not to respect your present gf by giving the ex details about her.
It doesn't matter what you used to do with her, when you talk about intimate things with her now, you are being intimate. You are allowing her, welcoming her into your present relationship.

Look I did not go there with my EX and go into details about the new girl.   She was trying to pump me for information and I did not give her details.  She was asking me if I had had sex with the new girl even.  She was asking so many questions and I was refusing to share these things with her.   She got upset because I was being tight lipped with her about things.  Hence why she asked my Mom about the new girl, hoping to learn something about her.  Trust me!  No way in hell was I going to share anything like this with her.

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No wonder she felt fine asking for sex from you, you talked sexually to her. Your boundaries weren't clear.

She started throwing out offers and sex to me and kick it up a notch after finding out about the new girl, hell she even was trying to lure me into dinner and going places with her.   She was pushing my boundaries!! 

There's a reason why I got pissed off at her.  She was not respecting boundaries! 

quote:


For a while I used one mechanic in town then I switched to another. What I'm not doing is going back and talking to the first one about my car, even though he used to work on it. If I run into him at the diner in the morning, I would say hello. I wouldn't start talking to him about the funny noise it was making and then say I was taking it to someone else. Talking to him about it would give him the message I wanted him to work on it, by giving that message and then finishing up by saying I was taking it to someone else would be a needless slap in the face after deliberately giving the wrong message.

I'm assuming you did talk to your ex occasionally about nonsexual things. Talk about those: How's the job going and did she finish that big project; how is her mother, you send your best and hope she's gotten rid of the mice she was battling. Nonsexual conversation.


Hell, for the last 6 months I have talked about nonsexual things with my Ex.  From time to time she has attempted to push things with me and I've not went there with her.   I've talked with her about anything and everything else besides sex!   I've made it clear to here that I was not going to have sex with her, that I wanted to keep it as a friendship without sex involved at all.  

Ummmmmmmmm..... I don't what else to tell you, but you somehow have the wrong impression about what went down.




sambamanslilgirl -> RE: Being Friends with past partners (9/29/2008 5:12:49 AM)

my theory - once we part ways, all ties are severed completely.

i have tried being a friend with an ex but after his recent visit during the summer, it was evident i had to break off being his friend. the new girl in his life thought i would try winning him back - so throughout his visit, he had to check in every day to re-assure her that we weren't having sex.  i advised him to dump her since she had major trust issues.

on the flipside, i had a former who tried using the guilt trip to convince me that Daddy wasn't the dominant for me. he kept telling me i owed him finding my replacement (his exact words) - i told him i didn't owe him anything ...plus i had to remind him the 1 reason why i left him. 




LATEXBABY64 -> RE: Being Friends with past partners (9/29/2008 5:13:21 AM)

sounds like unfinished business on one side ?




DarkSteven -> RE: Being Friends with past partners (9/29/2008 7:30:50 AM)

I had a submissive break things off for reasons that sounded odd to me, but I remained friends with her for over a year.  Then she rented from me and decided that since I was a friend, she could slide on the rent.  I asked her to leave, and she's since made it clear to me several times that we are NOT friends and never WILL BE.

And yes, she still owes.




DesFIP -> RE: Being Friends with past partners (9/29/2008 7:36:34 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: WhiplashSmile2

Where in the world did you get the impression I was talking Sex with my EX???  Where Did you get the impression I went into Dept and detail about the New Girl with my EX?  


From this in post 21,
If you are talking about Kinky BDSM things,  keep in mind her and I had lot's of kinky sex together.  She's twisted and kinky as well.  She's into bondage, spankings, pain, watersports and other things.  Was not a question of revealing details of life when you are doing these things with somebody physically.  :-)   Hell she was even into Exhibitionism as well.  She tends to want to slip out of her clothes and wants to go running through the streets naked, hence some of her previous arrest record. Trust me this girl is far from being a plain vanilla type of girl herself.




thetammyjo -> RE: Being Friends with past partners (9/29/2008 8:07:13 AM)

I have two very excellent friends who were amazing submissives to me. Others who were good subs or slave whom I've lost touch with over the years. Only one really stands out as an ex I'd never want to talk to or see again and we ended because of his actions and inactions.




scarlethiney -> RE: Being Friends with past partners (9/29/2008 8:23:37 AM)

I feel for you and have been in that same place.  I've only had three relationships in my life. Two went horribly wrong and did not end well. My current relationship /marriage is the only one I do think were it not to work that we could be friends.
My husband is actually very good friends with "all"  his ex's.  "That speaks volumes to me of him".

I would be completely honest with the new person and tell her how you feel about his situation and person. I would absolutely block, ban..... refuse to allow the ex to have a moment of your time period.  She needs help you can't give her.

Best of luck to you and your new lady.

scarlet




CalifChick -> RE: Being Friends with past partners (9/29/2008 8:27:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: cravesdom

When I was home during the day and he knew my live-in boyfriend (at the time) was at work he used to walk into my house without knocking, climb into bed with me and try to have sex with me. One time I was in the shower and he took his clothes off and got in. When I started making sure the door was locked after everyone left in the morning he would come around to my sliding glass door in the back, which didn't have a lock that worked. (snip)  When I got mad at him, he would say that he didn't see what the big deal was. It wasn't like he had never seen me naked before. It wasn't like he had never had sex with me before.



Oh my gawd!  Were we married to the same person?  (okay, I know we weren't, but still... sheesh!)

I wish the ex and I could be friends, as we do have a child together, but he doesn't understand boundaries, as evidenced by the restraining order I have on him right now.


Cali




ThundersCry -> RE: Being Friends with past partners (9/29/2008 9:20:07 AM)

I am friends with all my ex`s =L=
 
I would still beat and fuck em all...




Jeptha -> RE: Being Friends with past partners (9/29/2008 2:41:05 PM)

I'm friends, or at least on friendly terms, with all of my exes, except one from about 15 years ago.
For some reason, even when we talk about it today, we can't agree, or simply agree to disagree, on what happened back then.
So the conflict remains as unchanged as ever.
We would need some sort of mediator to move past it; or agree to drop it competely and start anew.

But, as I say, excepting her, I'm on good terms with exes.
I'm grateful to all of them for things we shared (and for sharing themselves) and for the opportunities to grow that being with them presented me with.

Although, I'll add this caveat: it can sometimes take a fairly long period after things initially end before we can comfortably be friends. It sometimes takes awhile (months, maybe even up to a year) for all the emotions to subside, for the deep waters to calm down, even if the break-up wasn't too bad.




CallaFirestormBW -> RE: Being Friends with past partners (9/29/2008 2:58:31 PM)

Most of my exes bring drama to my life, but we're still close and still friends. Maybe it has to do with my love of chaos, but their drama doesn't bother me that much. It's just a part of who they are. Heck, my current Darling and close friends are all drama-hounds -- I just absorb it and hope to heck they're enjoying themselves... then douse them with a waterfall of reality when I decide it's time to rest. *lol*

I think, though, that I've always been sort of a bossy force, and most of my exes are more... shrinking violets, I guess... I'm sort of the orchestral conductor -- *Waving my crop*...drama up in the Strings section.... now the percussion.... now the woodwinds and brass.... Crescendo.... Cacophony... fade.... *LOL*

Calla




LaTigresse -> RE: Being Friends with past partners (9/29/2008 3:16:10 PM)

I get along fine with everyone I've removed from my immediate life.

Whip, this person is only doing what you've allowed. Stop allowing it.




StrictnSaucy -> RE: Being Friends with past partners (9/29/2008 3:27:02 PM)

It sounds to me that you have learned alot from these interactions with your Ex. A lesson learned is always a good thing mate.

Personally, there is only one of my exs that I would not consider a friend.  And that took some learning also!

Best of luck with the new girl!




WhiplashSmile2 -> RE: Being Friends with past partners (9/29/2008 4:13:46 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

quote:

ORIGINAL: WhiplashSmile2

Where in the world did you get the impression I was talking Sex with my EX???  Where Did you get the impression I went into Dept and detail about the New Girl with my EX?  


From this in post 21,
If you are talking about Kinky BDSM things,  keep in mind her and I had lot's of kinky sex together.  She's twisted and kinky as well.  She's into bondage, spankings, pain, watersports and other things.  Was not a question of revealing details of life when you are doing these things with somebody physically.  :-)   Hell she was even into Exhibitionism as well.  She tends to want to slip out of her clothes and wants to go running through the streets naked, hence some of her previous arrest record. Trust me this girl is far from being a plain vanilla type of girl herself.



That's me talking about the EX!   I was talking about how she knows I'm kinky, because she's kinky as well.   This was from the past stand point of view as well.   We (my ex and I) used to have kinky sex.

None of this was about the "new girl".




windchymes -> RE: Being Friends with past partners (9/29/2008 4:25:11 PM)

You can be "just friends" but you both have to truly want it that way. 

My kids' dad and I divorced in 1990, but we remained friendLY ("friends" is a little more than we really were/are) for the kids' sake.  We really didn't have contact except to discuss money issues, big events like graduations, parties for the graduations, deaths of parents, birth of the mutual grandkid, etc.  He's sort of like a distant cousin now.  If I needed help with something, he'd be there, and I would be for him.  He visited my mom in the hospital when she was dying.  At the grandkid's 2nd birthday party he, I and our grown sons sat around in a circle and just talked about old times, and it was really nice.  But I don't have "feelings" for him, and I never begrudged his dating relationships and marriage to the new wife....who I also was "friendly" with.   He's just "there" and it's good. 

But, you BOTH have to want it that way.  That's the key.




CreativeDominant -> RE: Being Friends with past partners (9/29/2008 4:27:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: WhiplashSmile2

How many people here from either side of the D/s coin have tried to remain friends with an EX yet found it impossible to do so, because they push boundaries and cause problems and drama?

My last real time relationship was a rather short term one, with somebody who has an anger management and drinking problem.  Back around March I had packed it in on this relationhsip.  Anyways, I had tried to maintain a simple friendship since then.   She has made a number of attempts to cross the friendship boundary since then.   This attempts resulting in some small verbal fights between us, however nothing so extreme to be a permant wedge or axe to bury between us.

Recently in the last two weeks, this has all changed, when I told her that I involved in getting to know somebody that I'm sincerely and deeply interested in.   She told me she felt jealous even though she felt she had no right to be.   None the less she started to pull every tactic she could think about.  Sexually advances, offers to cook me diner, do this that another thing for me.  Anything and everything to lure me into visiting her.   For the last 6 months I've turned down ever advanced she had thrown at me.  When she does get her way, she tends to dish out some minor insult and it's resulted in a bit of a small fight.   I simply don't enjoy putting up with bullshit and mindless guilt trips.   I've tried to be a friend and encourage her to change and get help for some of her issues.  Anyways, this time around.   She pulled out all the stops.

In fact, she went so far to contact my mother and even probe her for details about "the new girl", and it's been nothing but a pain in the ass.  Needless to say, she's left me some drunken voice mails which totally rubbed me the wrong way.  She had tried luring me into coming to visit her to "fix her computer", at least under this initial pretense, however she was also making a lot of suggestive comments about fucking and how things used to be between her and I.    Anyways, her Drunked Voice mails was it for me.   She was very rude and vulgar and frankly, she showed very little respect for me as a person let alone as a friend.   I'm not a happy camper, needless to say.   I found myself saying things to her on the phone such as "You are a self centered bitch who is jealous and being mean because you did'nt get you way."  I digressed into name calling along with tossing out fair honest thoughts on the matter. 

Yesterday, it was the proverbial Nuke Death Match that occured between us.  She is a self identified switch, however with what I would call as an immature Domme personality.   She was attempting and trying to push and sway me.   The Gloves came off, and I said a lot of harsh things I honestly meant and mean.  She was dishing out insults out of spite and trying to turn the tables around on me.  I was not putting up with it.   Actually, if anything, I realized more about her true colors then I dare wanted to see or admit to myself.

Yesterday was not a good day, anyways I had not shared too many details with the "new girl" regards my problematic EX.  However yesterday and today I was rather open about the extent and levels.   Then the "new girl" asked me one question.  Is she on your myspace.  Ummm.. Yes, she is.   She made a comment about contacting my EX.   Whoa... that idea really did not sit well with me at all.   Anyways, as I say, give me more then one reason to do something and consider it done. 

I went and deleted my Ex off myspace friends, put her ass on block.  I did the same with my Email Account and AIM instant messaging.   I called and left one last voice mail, a sort of sorry, I can't be your friend anymore you make it too impossible for me to be your friend.   I recieved one last voice mail message from her along the lines of "Fine, I don't want to be your friend anyways blah blah blah (mindless stabs at me)".

When I talked with the new girl later on today.  I told her what I did.   Geee, turns out the new girl got burned by somebody who was involved with a girl who deleted her from myspace.com and etc..  Wow.  Oh great the new girl is a little questioning if I had been seeing my Ex all along now...  Good Lord!  Perhaps I should not be such an honest bastard, but I admitted to her the reason why I deleted my EX was at the threatening thought of her contacting her.   I don't Trust me Ex at ALL, not with the way she's been acting.

In hindsight, I feel like I should have canned trying to be friends with her awhile ago, when she was pushing boundaries and not being respectful.   A bit of an error in my judgement.   Anyways, at times the best of intentions can bite us in the ass.  I just know I feel a little bit backed up into the corner with somebody questioning my actions slightly now.   I'm not into playing games with anybodys heart or playing any kind of games that are not fun ones to play.

Right now, I'm a little pissed off at myself, my ex and feeling a little sick in the stomach at the thoughts of this having the potential for leading to mistrust.   I've been upfront and honest about everything with everybody.

Anyways, is it really a mistake in trying to be friends with a part partner?  Even more so when they violate or attempt to push the boundaries from time to time.   I feel like I should have seen this shit coming, yet was being a little blind.  I'm glad it's over (the friendship) between me and her.   I really did not think she would behave this crazy and bad.   I think if I had, I would have packed it in on the friendship.   However, I can see at the same time some red flags.   I was trying to give somebody the benifit of the doubt.  And Frankly, they failed it miserable.


It is not always a mistake to be friends with a past partner.  I am good friends with my first submissive and, though it took some time, a friend to my second submissive.  I am not friends with my last submissive...too much hurt, too many deceptions, too many promises and responsibility begged for from the other side and adhered to by me while lying and fucking/playing with other dominants occurred.  Don't get me wrong, I am not a saint but I believe in the old idea that a responsible dominant/submissive are basically just an extension of being a responsible human being.  And I understand the idea of still loving someone EVEN AS YOU HATE what they have shown themselves to be...because in the end, the question you end up asking yourself is this: if you were that wrong in your perspective, just what else about your life are you wrong about?

The circumstances vary from one dynamic to another.  In some instances, it is not only a mistake to try to be friends with a past partner, it can be heart-breaking and, sometimes, dangerous.  The situation you describe sounds like an emotional battlefield to me.




Lockit -> RE: Being Friends with past partners (9/29/2008 5:11:14 PM)

I have ex's I can be friends with and some I can't, but those are the rare one's.  It all depends on what happened and how adult they are.  If they did something wrong... they tend to defend their actions and blame me... so no... we can't be friends.  Those that were good to me and I them... we are friends and even if not in contact, we can contact one another and be fine.  I try to be friends and like you have had some issues with that.  I will try to work it out... but sometimes you can't and just need to block them from your life and move away from them and the situation and try to deal with whatever harm has been done.  I don't like unfinished business or harm... but sometimes it can't be avoided and your attempts to keep things adult and friendly will only come back at you.

I wish you well with this Whiplash...




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