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Utterly lost... - 9/29/2008 12:12:42 AM   
Mellissande


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I've been having problems in my marriage and I have noticed that I am being forced into a mother/dominant role over my Husband who is constantly in a state of stupid... it's like he has no common sense and no sense of direction... with him being in the military, I wrongly assumed that this would get at least a little better. But since we've gotten married it's gotten worse, like "could you put everything away from supper while I clean the living room?"  He says "sure, whatever" he comes back in and plays his game and when I go in the kitchen all of the food is still on the counter 3 hours later. I don't know what to say but to ask why he didn't do it. he says "well I did the dishes... I didn't think you wanted me to do anything else" I swear, it's like this every single day, and it's almost the same argument every single time.

Being submissive this hurts me, because now I am not only dominant out of doors, but I must be dominant to him too... it's like he does things just to irk me because he knows I will get upset and he just doesn't care... Add to that our sex life is nonexistant and I'm so tired of trying to hold the pieces together it's just too much sometimes... is there anyone who could give me some advice?

p.s. we've only been married for 8 months, 5 of which he was in training out of state so I didn't see him at all for the first 5 months after we wed...


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RE: Utterly lost... - 9/29/2008 12:53:24 AM   
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Its called passive aggressive. been there, done that. It likely wont change. I so know how you feel. I left.

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RE: Utterly lost... - 9/29/2008 1:20:45 AM   
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Holy crap. Honestly, Mel, I could have written that post word for word 8 months after my wedding (yes, hubby was in the service). I can only speak for myself, but it got worse, not better. After several miserable years, our divorce will be final in 4 months.

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RE: Utterly lost... - 9/29/2008 1:30:33 AM   
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A wedding ring usually doesn't solve problems. If he was flawed before, it won't instantly change because the army put a uniform on him or because a preacher deemed you man and wife.

You probably shouldn't have gotten married to be honest. Work out his issues first. See if the army will magically change him first. Now all you did was add the headache of a legal paper in with the issues.

I'm a little more baffled why someone only 19 would want to be married, especially to an army man which makes things even more stressful. But to go into it with a hope that he'll get better is the icing on the cake.

Talk it out, work it out, go to councling; whatever. Or things might end up like WyldHrt mentioned...

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RE: Utterly lost... - 9/29/2008 1:31:43 AM   
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wow... I'm sorry for you both... It sucks... wanting to make it work so badly... but when is loving eachother not enough anymore? I'm afraid it'll end up in divorce, but I want so muchto be different, to have him understand and work it out...

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RE: Utterly lost... - 9/29/2008 1:39:45 AM   
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quote:

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A wedding ring usually doesn't solve problems. If he was flawed before, it won't instantly change because the army put a uniform on him or because a preacher deemed you man and wife.

You probably shouldn't have gotten married to be honest. Work out his issues first. See if the army will magically change him first. Now all you did was add the headache of a legal paper in with the issues.

I'm a little more baffled why someone only 19 would want to be married, especially to an army man which makes things even more stressful. But to go into it with a hope that he'll get better is the icing on the cake.

Talk it out, work it out, go to councling; whatever. Or things might end up like WyldHrt mentioned...

I must have misspoken... We have been together now for almost 3 years, and I didn't ever think anything would magically disappear. I thought maybe his common sense would get a boost seeing as the Army teaches you to be extraobservant and you have to have common sense to stay alive. I've been in a military family all my life, it's no stress on me. I am proud of the service he does for our country, I just wish he could learn some "husband-skills" like thinking before he speaks... but I guess I'm being taught a lesson in futility...


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RE: Utterly lost... - 9/29/2008 1:56:44 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mellissande
I must have misspoken... We have been together now for almost 3 years,


Almost 20...so since around 17? Why the rush to marry? There are other details I'm wondering now. Did you live together before getting married? Is this your first long term relationship? Is he older? Younger? How long has been having this "lack of common sense" you thought the army might fix?

I say, talk to him not us. Lay it out on the table and see if he can handle it. Or counsling with someone in the middle to help guide things.

And by stress I meant you already said it's only an 8 month long marriage and 5 of them he was not even there. And the sex life is gone. And you're on a kink site, I'm guessing looking for outside kink he can't give. Those all sound like stressors. Army is great and all that jazz but having a spouse missing chunks of time takes its toll on people; I know it would me.

I'm no marriage expert or life expert but if only 8 months in a marriage (only 3 of said months he was with you) problems like this are popping up the road will get even rockier the longer you keep it bottled up. I say bottled up since you're asking the internet for advice, I'm only assuming you didn't try counsling. Or perhaps the super serious sit down talk where he can't run away from the issue.

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RE: Utterly lost... - 9/29/2008 3:42:30 AM   
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Married at about 17?! Um...yeah...that's not the greatest idea anyone can have...sheesh. Who ever looks back on their teen years and thinks they should have frippin' married?!
Sorry to tell you this, sister, but it sounds like you married the typical guy. It feels wrong telling anyone to go out and get a divorce, but...at the very least, you gotta take a stand. Don't just argue with him. Just flat-out tell him that there are problems and you will seriously have to reconsider this relationship if these problems aren't addressed. (Though I suppose everyone else has already said as much.)
Just to warn you, though...that's basically what I did with my last girlfriend...and we broke up a week ago...

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RE: Utterly lost... - 9/29/2008 4:14:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mellissande

*snip* I thought maybe his common sense would get a boost seeing as the Army teaches you to be extraobservant and you have to have common sense to stay alive. *snip*



No, it teaches you to be extra bitter and resentful towards the armed services...My boy did two tours in Iraq and while, yes, he is GREAT at bootblacking, doing P/T for my amusement, cleaning etc he had a strong slave personality long before he ever signed up.  What you seem to have here is, I agree, passive aggressive but also the classic case of 'I don't get what the big deal is?' from your husband.  Without knowing you or him, it seems like he doesn't respect you.  Also, in case you haven't heard about it before, the divorce rates for returning vets are astronomical


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RE: Utterly lost... - 9/29/2008 4:16:24 AM   
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I think before you think about going for divorce or leaving you need to perhaps either develop some sort of support network and consider counselling. It's one thing to rush into a marriage, but it's often something completely different to rush headlong into a divorce. You've done the right thing in a way in coming here looking for advice. Now you need to be able to do that out there where you are in your life.

You need to stop and take a think about this. Can you get what you want out of this without things happening at his expense? If you choose to stay together and repair the marriage, can you both come up with the effort and hard work necessary to - from my perspective - completely revamp it and make it work? Or do you need to change him?

If it's him you need to change then you need to start looking for a way out, because it isn't going to happen. Okay, so it's a mistake and within a year you've gone from happy bride to what appears to be a divorcee, but you know we all make mistakes in life. Try to stay positive and learn from your experiences. Better to be alone and divorced than alone and married. Chances were there, as were opportunities, some weren't taken. Time for a fresh start and new opportunities, right? Focus on the problems and the issues and not each other. What's the point in finding fault and laying the blame?

There's more to ending a marriage than just walking away, which is why you're going to need some good advice and a support network.

Whatever happens I wish you well.

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RE: Utterly lost... - 9/29/2008 4:28:42 AM   
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Thank you all for the excelent advice it has definitely given me alot to think about

I am 20, since april, We have been dating hence together since november 2005. We got married 8 months ago Tabris, at 19 not 17

He is 21, only a year older than me

He wasn't near this bad before we got married, He at least tried when he did something wrong. Now it's like it doesn't matter anyway so why try...

I think I will go to the on post marriage councelor...

Again, Thank you so much for all of the advice!


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RE: Utterly lost... - 9/29/2008 4:54:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mellissande
I am 20, since april, We have been dating hence together since november 2005. We got married 8 months ago Tabris, at 19 not 17


(sigh) Way to be on the ball, boy-o...still, 19 is very damned early to get married! On the other hand, if I was gonna marry someone, I'd wait a few years, too...

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RE: Utterly lost... - 9/29/2008 5:01:51 AM   
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I have a few questions about him. Did he go into the active Army or the reserve or guard? How bad is your sex life, not to pry but how often? You said he plays games, how much? Does he drink?

I was active duty Army for four years and I've been reserve for almost two now. I have seen a lot of marriages fall apart. There is no reason for him to have PTSD after training, esp after they have made it easier. It could be however, if he went active and you guys are living on base or he works on base, that he is getting a real hard time a work. New guys always get treated like shit, and he might just be tired of taking orders all day and is perceiving your requests to help out as barking orders.

At the same time, the fact that he isn't talking to you about his problems and your not having sex is a really bad sign. Being engrossed in video games can kill your sex drive. He may also be cheating or just may not be interested in you sexually anymore. I guarantee he is at least masturbating if not seeing somebody else.

If he is drinking, then it's another bad sign that he isn't talking to you about problems he is having or that he is trying to escape. Active duty military is really tough at first because you really get treated like crap when your new. At least that was my experience in an infantry unit.

I would suggest using the chaplain services (they should be doing something for their money) if you need somebody to talk to in person. They are usually pretty nice and have some kind of marriage counseling training (go figure). Ask your husband what his problems are and give him a chance to let some things off his chest. Let him know that he can speak freely and without judgement or reprecussions for admitting things he may be hiding, like an affair. He will never talk to you if he feels like he can't. He may have just pushed you away because he can't deal with his life right now, esp if he is scared to goto Iraq. I know I pushed Lady Lupine away when I was deployed because I was having a hard time with my personal life.

I'm not trying to defend him or his behavior, but you are both young and I know what it can be like to be in his position. If none of this applies to him, then I'm sorry I couldn't help you.



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RE: Utterly lost... - 9/29/2008 6:59:47 AM   
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You may have it Drew, I know right now, he's being put in with all new guys so there's not that usual new guy pressure. it's a brand new unit just forming up. They still don't do anything at work but sit and play video games or sleep all day... It may well have to do with fear of Going to war... He's not slated to leave for 2 years though I understand the fear... He's not even gone and I'm afraid he'll never come back... He doesn't drink, and he's not very into sex at all... He was a virgin when I met him and he spends every moment he's not at work at the house, I can't even get him to go out and hang with his buddies... so cheating is out of the question... But our sex life was never really that great, but He tries you know. Thank you, You've definitely given me more insight into what may be going through his mind,


I'm not going to divorce my husband, I will make this work, I know we are struggling right now, but I love him to much to leave him like that, He's never abused me in any way, and I know he never will. 
Thank you for the insight. and thank you for serving. I know well the kinds of sacrifices you make for our country.


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RE: Utterly lost... - 9/29/2008 7:05:58 AM   
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Hello Mellissande. I'm dom and hope it's not inappropriate for me to comment here. Your tale is quite saddening and unfortunately, not too rare either. I have friends like your husband. They confide that the sex life is gone and 'all she does is bitch'. Most of these relationships, if they continue, mean the couple almost living separate lives. What was he like when still living at his parents? Was his bedroom a rancid stinkhole? I fear he has defaulted to the 'slob' setting. Sit him down and say it all, leave nothing out. If he can't take it on board that he has to change, you would be well advised to cut your losses. You are still very young and can escape without serious long term damage. Be positive, even if it's in deciding on an end to it all. Good luck.

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RE: Utterly lost... - 9/29/2008 7:44:47 AM   
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The army won't change his behaviour towards you - this is a common mistake, change the environment, the person will change. That is certainly true for the long term, but then I am talking about a decade, sooner than a year. You need to start thinking of yourself, and take control of your life. I see some responses here that tell you to "work it out" - I can't agree, he may eventually change, but it will sooner be because he lost you than for any other reason. People change when they want to, when they have a motivation, and the army is the worst place for that (I guess this is where you made your mistake) - in the forces, you don't have to think, it's all being done for you. If he likes it where he is, he is not a dominant - no dominant would want to be told what to wear, what to do, when to do it, and how to do it, 24/7. I have hired quite a few people retiring out of the Pentagon - good technicians, but they all need a year or more to adjust to civilian life, to learn to think for themselves.

You should find a women's support group local to you, and you can get support and counseling on base, as I hope you know. You need to do something about it, inaction is going to make it worse, much worse. Good luck - be dom for a bit, take decisions. And be safe!

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RE: Utterly lost... - 9/29/2008 8:29:35 AM   
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I want to wish you luck in whatever you decide.


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RE: Utterly lost... - 9/29/2008 9:54:34 AM   
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The army won't change his behaviour towards you - this is a common mistake, change the environment, the person will change. That is certainly true for the long term, but then I am talking about a decade, sooner than a year. You need to start thinking of yourself, and take control of your life. I see some responses here that tell you to "work it out" - I can't agree, he may eventually change, but it will sooner be because he lost you than for any other reason. People change when they want to, when they have a motivation, and the army is the worst place for that (I guess this is where you made your mistake) - in the forces, you don't have to think, it's all being done for you. If he likes it where he is, he is not a dominant - no dominant would want to be told what to wear, what to do, when to do it, and how to do it, 24/7. I have hired quite a few people retiring out of the Pentagon - good technicians, but they all need a year or more to adjust to civilian life, to learn to think for themselves.

You should find a women's support group local to you, and you can get support and counseling on base, as I hope you know. You need to do something about it, inaction is going to make it worse, much worse. Good luck - be dom for a bit, take decisions. And be safe!



I actually take offense to that. There is a place in the military for people who can't think for themselves, but once you get beyond being lower enlisted, being in a leadership position requires a lot of thinking and decision making. After all, who do you think is making all those decisions for the people you claim are such drones? It's not as if one person were making the decisions for the entire military.

Everybody starts out as a drone, but it doesn't last very long if you show motivation and initiative. In less than three years I had worked my way into a lot of responsibility. We had an empty slot for a senior leader in our battalion logistics section and because of my demonstrated ability to make decisions and handle responsibility I was placed above my peers and some of my seniors.

At just 21 I was responsible for managing millions of dollars worth of contract work with Iraqi civilians, approving and processing all major property transactions, including large orders, lost and destroyed property, and transfer between companies. I had to maintain a small lumber yard, arrange for water and food pickup, coordinate trips to other fobs to exchange and repair broken equipment, keep accountability of an ammo yard, and manage three other soldiers and keep two trucks and a small armored personal carrier serviceable. I was also in charge of mortuary affairs. I had to pack up their belongings and arrange for it to be delivered to the families. In addition, I also went on may convoys, sometimes as the lead vehicle and served as a back-up crew serve gunner.

If you can find me a 21 year old working in the civilian market with that kind of responsibility I'll be pretty impressed. I remember being dead tired all the time, never feeling like their was enough hours to accomplish all my missions, and not knowing which activities to prioritize, but I never felt like a drone that had all my decisions made for me. I've never had anywhere close to level of responsibility in my life, before or after.

I don't know what people you met that retired from the pentagon that were so piss poor, but you won't find anything like outside of the lowest ranking soldiers in the real military.

Your characterization of people in the military as mindless drones that can't function on their own is quite lame.


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RE: Utterly lost... - 9/29/2008 10:17:47 AM   
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file for divorce....since it is likely going that road....do it sooner rather than later...because you are still young....you can start another relationship and actually have kids....i certainly wouldnt want a kid with him he's not father material..

the army does things to people....it may have made him worse or it may have added new issues.  perhaps counseling can help..but seeing is this is a long time problem...it likely wont go away(as everyone else said).

your young!!! you could even try same sex!  divorce him...take the next 5 years to have some fun...then at 25 look to settle down so you can have a family at around age 30ish...  thats what i'd do.



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RE: Utterly lost... - 9/29/2008 10:24:38 AM   
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It could be that he cant jump into his role or does not know what role to take.

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