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McCain blames Obama - 9/29/2008 11:52:07 AM

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Sen. McCain's campaign has put the onus of failure of the bailout bill squarely on the shoulders of Sen.Obama.They claim Obama simply phoned it in whilew McCain has demonstrated clear and effective leadership during the crisis....WTF...opinions please.

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RE: McCain blames Obama - 9/29/2008 12:04:39 PM

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Sen. McCain's campaign has put the onus of failure of the bailout bill squarely on the shoulders of Sen.Obama.They claim Obama simply phoned it in whilew McCain has demonstrated clear and effective leadership during the crisis....WTF...opinions please.

I'm glad it failed. I'm looking for the list showing who voted for and against it. And will begin my non-partisan assault on them. Thanks.

This isn't a failure actually it is a reflection of the publics will for once. I'm actually quite happy, and I have a little hope now that the system might actually be salvageable.

The failure is that Obama, and McCain both supported it, while knowing that it is against the vast majority of the countries will. Neither has shown that they deserve to be president throughout this fiasco. Now, let's see if bushes Armageddon comes to pass.
Also I'm quite happy on a personal level having abandon the market when it became evident shit was not kosher. So, It falls I can buy stocks at discount from good stable companies.

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RE: McCain blames Obama - 9/29/2008 12:18:30 PM

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The thing is NeedtouseYou most of those voting nay actually believe in the necessity of the bailout,but for political reasons cast their nay.It would seem all in Washington want the bailout and think e need the bailout,but none want to return home and face voters having cast a yay.
The Bailout might very well be necessary,though unpopular our elected representatives or supposed to do unpopular things from time to time for the good of the Nation.Our President as lied too often to the American public and can not convince us that the sky is falling.....well folks keeping in mind that even broken clocks are right twice a day....what if the sky is falling?

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RE: McCain blames Obama - 9/29/2008 12:21:59 PM

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supposedly there were 10,000 emails per hour warning they were gonna take them out of office if they voted for it

anyone ever hear of silent warriors

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RE: McCain blames Obama - 9/29/2008 12:23:26 PM

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I've always thought a politician should tell his or her constituents up front that they will either vote according to the wishes of the majority...or vote according to their conscious...and stick to it.

McCain is the kind that sticks his wet finger in the air.

PS... I wouldn't even mind that so much...but do we know where that fingers been

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RE: McCain blames Obama - 9/29/2008 12:27:10 PM

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It would not have saved 401k value. The insiders are cherry picking. Now will they examine a rational plan?

If my rep voted for it- I will vote him out.

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RE: McCain blames Obama - 9/29/2008 12:27:57 PM

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There are issues in which the consticuency should be listened to,and than there are issues which should be looked at minus the thought of popularity or the whims of the public.This might very well have been one of those times....of course with the present Administration who knows.

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RE: McCain blames Obama - 9/29/2008 12:28:51 PM

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I am blaming ronald mcdonald.

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RE: McCain blames Obama - 9/29/2008 12:41:24 PM

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ERR, I mean, "oh shit" Now I can not go out and buy a new car via a car loan.

Well- it would match not having money to put gas in the tank.

Pathetic that we even had to go thru this charade.

Enron, Worldcom, Bear Sterns, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac.

And bush thinking a news conference MEANS anything anymore! It doesnt.   He does as he pleases with blocking checks/balances of the judicial and the congress.
Who even tunes in any more?

The election folly is more of the same.

How removed from reality are these people?

This is FRAUD. High crimes.   These are con men. Ild love to over hear what dudes in the prisons were saying over all this.

I am relieved we did not just hand over the keys. Lets get some real brain power; put those houses into repair, get them sold to people at a price that reflects downsize/outsource.

Lets amend the contracts that the bankers wont.

Just think. Companies threatened to participate if executive pay was limited.   Well now.   The markets will pay the men, as they do us peons, what the market will bare.

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RE: McCain blames Obama - 9/29/2008 12:44:12 PM

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quote:

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The thing is NeedtouseYou most of those voting nay actually believe in the necessity of the bailout,but for political reasons cast their nay.It would seem all in Washington want the bailout and think e need the bailout,but none want to return home and face voters having cast a yay.
The Bailout might very well be necessary,though unpopular our elected representatives or supposed to do unpopular things from time to time for the good of the Nation.Our President as lied too often to the American public and can not convince us that the sky is falling.....well folks keeping in mind that even broken clocks are right twice a day....what if the sky is falling?

Well, if the sky is falling, that is because bernanke and co conspirators have been jumping on it for years. Sorry, Bernanke is the biggest business stooge there ever was, he is an out and out uncle tom, if I ever saw one. I don't believe them, they have a record of lies, deceit, working against the US citizens interest. If it was up to me, and I had a pardon on standby, I'd shoot him right in the head, point blank.

That should clarify my view on things on my faith in what Bernanke says.

As far as the politicians go, most politicians don't concern themselves at all with economics in the least only a few do. They spend, spend, spend, they get bribes, sellout, and fuck everyone over. And now I'm to trust their judgement about something that has been in their face for years yet they ignored, benefited from, or denied its existance. LOL. So, I don't care what these politicians for the most part think, they aren't good at it.

So, I look to those that have predicted this, and see what they have to say. They don't like it.

The public sentiment is based on mistrust, and rightly so, if I've been robbed a dozen times by someone, I'm certainly not going to willingly give them my pin number. Liars. Sure enough, that's the reason I'm guessing for the rejection. I'm suprised though, as I actually thought the lemming factor and blind obedience would overpower history, I"m pleasantly suprised for once.

You seem to argue that we should trust them, simply because this time they might be right and telling the truth, though statistically the odds are against it. Interesting theory.

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RE: McCain blames Obama - 9/29/2008 12:54:47 PM

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No NeedtoUseYou please don't misunderstand me ,I don't trust them either.But the danger is ,in my mind anyway,what if this time there right?(long odds,I know)But if their right, and due to our mistrust of this bumbling idiot this doesn't get done,things crash .
This man has done irreparable harm to the Republic,yet the most harm could come from the one time he is telling the truth?Bank failures,the freeze in credit....how bad can this get.Any trust for the Office of the Presidency is gone and rightfully so.

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RE: McCain blames Obama - 9/29/2008 1:09:05 PM

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Got to hand it to the GOP conservative caucus on this one. I'm no fan of this bailout and they were the only ones really willing to throw a monkey wrench into the plan. The fact that they did it for ideological reasons that strike me as beyond absurd is sad but you've got to give them credit for stopping this thing.

However if anything this shows McCain's lack of leadership since it was the GOP who voted against it so overwhelmingly. If he was such a great leader shouldn't the members of his own party have supported the plan in at least the same percentage terms as the Dems?

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RE: McCain blames Obama - 9/29/2008 1:23:42 PM

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I don't know about the rest of you, but I trust McCain completely on this! After all, he was a POW. It's in the Jeneva Convension that bad and/or incompitent people cannot be POWs. Also, Obama's an elitist and an socialist. I don't know what those words mean, which makes them bad! A leader shouldn't be elite or social! They should be know how to fish and be a maverick, because I think that was the title of a western and it would be cool to have a cowboy for president!

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RE: McCain blames Obama - 9/29/2008 1:23:52 PM

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No NeedtoUseYou please don't misunderstand me ,I don't trust them either.But the danger is ,in my mind anyway,what if this time there right?(long odds,I know)But if their right, and due to our mistrust of this bumbling idiot this doesn't get done,things crash .
This man has done irreparable harm to the Republic,yet the most harm could come from the one time he is telling the truth?Bank failures,the freeze in credit....how bad can this get.Any trust for the Office of the Presidency is gone and rightfully so.

I think you don't understand my position, I want the system to fail. I think it is flawed in design. Failure it appears, is the only way anyone will attempt to change it. As is the present system, is corrupt to the core. There is no fairness involved. So, even though my opinion is the 700 billion would do nothing, even if it would I'd be against it.

I feel for those if the dire predictions come to reality, but systems all systems, whether in nature, economics, governments, need to reset from time to time. Death is embedded into our DNA, why should it be any different for a financial system.

Nope, If it has fucked itself, it deserves to die, that is the only way to make people more wary of the powers that be.

That's my view in a nutshell, I'm basically against the present structure. For many reasons, personal, theoretical, practical, and philosophical.

So, to answer your question in the simplest terms. What if they are right? It doesn't matter, but I still don't think they were right.

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RE: McCain blames Obama - 9/29/2008 1:29:13 PM

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McCain didn't do anything. He either needs to accept that or blame someone.

Guess which wins?

Further, several Republicans voted against the Bush plan. And for good reason.

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RE: McCain blames Obama - 9/29/2008 1:36:45 PM

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If they are correct and to some degree even if they aren't 100 % correct....
Let me get this straight....you want the system to fail? You are wishing for financial catastrophe? You don't own a home? a 401K? an IRA?...Perhaps you are looking forward to unemployment?...not having the ability to buy anything larger than for the amount of money you have in your pocket? If that is the case then I could understand your point and hope you can find a really nice bridge to live under.

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RE: McCain blames Obama - 9/29/2008 1:39:12 PM

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One question: Did Nancy Pelosi and Barney Frank want this bill to pass?

If they did, why did 40 percent of the Democrats vote against the bill?

If they did not, what have they been doing for the past several days while presumptively working on this bailout bill?

Ok, that's three questions, but the first one is the essential one.

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RE: McCain blames Obama - 9/29/2008 1:52:50 PM

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If they are correct and to some degree even if they aren't 100 % correct....
Let me get this straight....you want the system to fail? You are wishing for financial catastrophe? You don't own a home? a 401K? an IRA?...Perhaps you are looking forward to unemployment?...not having the ability to buy anything larger than for the amount of money you have in your pocket? If that is the case then I could understand your point and hope you can find a really nice bridge to live under.

Wow, yes, I have a mortgage, bills, all that crap. However, what does that have to do with anything. A financial collapse is not the same as elimination of trade. A new system would come up from the wreckage and hopefully one based on more sound principles. I'd ask you if you want to preserve this structure, if you like being raped by the powers that be every decade or so, that is a consequence of this structure.

Anyway, maybe you are more attached to your material stuff, than I. Who knows, but the fact, IMO, is the core structure is corrupt. Therefore it needs changed, and it seems the only way to do that is to let some serious shit collapse.

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RE: McCain blames Obama - 9/29/2008 1:54:59 PM

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Simple answer CL...political reality....

This was a scary bill for all involved except those in absolute districts or those who will vote what they think regardless of consequence<if there are any left in the house on either side>. The set of circumstances and timing could not be worse. The Democrats nor Republicans towed anyone's line but there own. It was a Republican Administration's bill, worked out by Ranking Democrats...strange occurrences!
Even the poster boy of ultra Republicanship, Dicky Boy Chaney couldn't get the votes nor Georgie "I haven't got a clue" Bush....
I just hope all of those people who think that failure on this bill is correct....ARE!

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RE: McCain blames Obama - 9/29/2008 1:55:30 PM

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One question: Did Nancy Pelosi and Barney Frank want this bill to pass?

If they did, why did 40 percent of the Democrats vote against the bill?

If they did not, what have they been doing for the past several days while presumptively working on this bailout bill?

Ok, that's three questions, but the first one is the essential one.

CL did you see the count.Republicans killed this bill,60% of Democrats voted yay.....133(?) Republicans voted nay...and you paint this as a falure of the Democrats.
Would have been nice from the Republican side of the aisle if this would have passed...while the Republican could still point their fingers at Democrats ....win win situation for the Republicans....
edited due to faulty numbers...sorry Mike

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