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Preparing for Discipline - 9/29/2008 7:05:10 PM   
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I am due to face a severe spanking tomorrow.  My Dom has been working on a bad habit that I have, and he wants to nip it in the bud.  I want to accept this discipline with grace, and not complain and keep position 100%.  I know that I need this, but I want to be very accepting of it.

I have rarely cried during physical discipline, it's always been very hard for me, but in this instance I really want to cry.  Truthfully I'd like to sob hysterically and REALY feel it in my mind as well as my bottom.

Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get to that place in the mind so that this discipline really sets me in the right mental frame of mind?

I greatly appreciate your assistance in advance,

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RE: Preparing for Discipline - 9/29/2008 7:12:38 PM   
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I'm confused. 

What do you mean when you say the "right state of mind"? 

What state of mind are you trying to achieve?

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RE: Preparing for Discipline - 9/29/2008 7:15:06 PM   
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I don't know how to say this the right way - I think you are going about this wrong.
Trying to decide in advace how you will react is not going to help you.
Try just stepping forward and accepting what ever he has decided to give you. allow your reaction to be whatever it is. allow the lesson to come to you.
If you were able to make this change easily on your own without help, you would not be coming to him for punishment. That being so, allow him the power to set the tone and allow what ever happens to happen.
I read your profile, I get that he is probably new to topping. That does not mean that you have to control the outcome in order to give him the proper reactions and teach him the proper thing.
I'm a pretty heavy player, but, for me, tears are about trust and safety. They will come when they come.
BTW, I suspect we live in the same town. If you want to write me, I will send you the name of the very wonderful online group I belong to, which you might find helpful in your journey. It is made entirely of R/t, 24/7, TPE slaves. Sometimes it is good to have others in that particular dynamic just to talk to.

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RE: Preparing for Discipline - 9/29/2008 7:23:31 PM   
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Who would you be crying for?  Planning ahead like this... I see as self focused and maybe even a bit manipulative.  Do you wish to learn or experience?

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RE: Preparing for Discipline - 9/29/2008 7:33:24 PM   
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quote:

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I have rarely cried during physical discipline, it's always been very hard for me, but in this instance I really want to cry. Truthfully I'd like to sob hysterically and REALY feel it in my mind as well as my bottom.

Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get to that place in the mind so that this discipline really sets me in the right mental frame of mind?



"The mind commands the body and it obeys. The mind orders itself and meets resistance."
– Saint Augustine

Authentic remorse cannot be contrived; you either fulfill the spirit of full repentance or not. There is no recipe to giving yourself permission to "let go," outside of what dialog in your own mind convinces you to do so. If you really want to cry, do so. If you want to feel it in your mind as well as your flesh, drop your pride and make it so, leaving all else to the one administering your discipline.

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RE: Preparing for Discipline - 9/29/2008 7:50:02 PM   
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If I were you I wouldn't fight the tears.  I recently received a punishment spanking that hurt badly enough to make me cry - and left me so sore I literally couldn't sit for hours, along with bruises that lasted a week.  Through it all the worse pain was the one in my heart for losing control of myself and disobeying.  I felt no shame at crying from the pain.  I only felt shame that I let the most important person in my life down.

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RE: Preparing for Discipline - 9/29/2008 7:53:57 PM   
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Sounds like the movie cool hand luke.   "I got my mind right now boss"  That was of course a ploy.

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RE: Preparing for Discipline - 9/29/2008 8:18:50 PM   
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Dear Spankablemilf,

I'm going to share something about one Ex of mine who I've never talked about before on this message board.  In fact, I have very little bad to say about her at all.

She was a bit like a vulcan when it came to emotions.  There was only one time when I punished her that she broke down, dropped to her knees and cried her heart out.  Actually, this was the only time I punished her. 

People think that punishment has to be some physical thing.  This day, I had verbally lit into her.  In fact, because she was a bit like a vulcan.  I used verbal humilation along with logic.   OK, this might seem like it was an extremely harsh thing to do.   However, I have Zero regrets because of the outcome.

It fixed a very serious and real issue in her life, it resulted in permant positive change.

At the time, she was no where near in the mindset of being accepting or not of the punishment.   Again, I stress she was a bit like Spock.  If anything, she was acting rather indifferent and blind to the problem.

When it comes to punishment, it should be effective in addressing the problem, and result in change.  The technique for getting there varies from person to person.  All you submissives are not alike you know.

Punishment is not meant to be fun, and it anything but enjoyable.  I do know this, that words can carry a lot of weight, more so compared to any evil spanking device or corner time or whatever else.  

I will say this, I have been with somebody who was a mental Masochist and words just simply did not cut it.   I've only been with one true mental masochist, and frankly I'm not certain I want to ever be with another one again.  

My one Ex (the vulcan) was not a mental masochist, however she was very good at dealing with mindfucks and mindless guilt trips and such.  Mentally she was extremely strong.  The thing about humiliation to work on anybody, you have to use some form of truth or something that truely humilates somebody.   This was the one and only time, that I engaged in what I call TRUE verbal humilation with her.  Something besides name calling in the bedroom and the typical slut, whore play verbal humilation.  That was enjoyable humilation with her.

OK, in terms of punishment.   The Question is this!  Will it really change things?  How will your behavior change?  What kind of punishment do you need for this to happen.   Sure, you might cry or not cry!   In the end will it change anything or fix the problem?  What is important is not the punishment itself, but rather the correction in behavior.   What have you really learned? 

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RE: Preparing for Discipline - 9/29/2008 8:28:36 PM   
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I want to accept this discipline with grace, and not complain and keep position 100%.


I am going to focus on this part of your question.  My slave had a horrible habit of flinching and putting her hand in the way of punishment strokes.  This came to a head one time when I was using a flogger with a wooden handle.  She put her hand out to block the stroke, and I connected with the heavy wooden part of the flogger.  I looked at her swollen hand and I was sure I had broken her wrist.  Luckily, she just has some naturally protruding bones, and no real harm was done, but at that moment I knew this had to be trained out of her.

Fortunately, for us both, she had been asked to do The Training of O for Kink.com, and James (the wonderful dominant guy who directs all the shoots for that site) asked us what we wanted to work on.  Both Kat and I decided this would be a perfect opportunity to work on not moving when being punished.

James taught Kat a number of techniques that could be used during punishment to prevent the pain from taking over and forcing her to move.  They worked very well for her, and tonight, she took 10 strokes from the belt (her least favorite punishment in the world) without moving a muscle.

I am very proud of her, and I think striving to be able to take punishment "with grace, and not complain and keep position 100%" is an admirable goal!!!

Good luck!

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RE: Preparing for Discipline - 9/30/2008 3:18:52 AM   
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The sad fact of the matter is that BDSM and pain will not change any bad habits you may have, any more than pain could change the size of your feet or the colour of your hair. Any psuedopsychobabble that says it can is complete cobblers,
You don't need any excuse for BDSM it is an end in itself and a worthy one.
The right frame of mind is pleasurable anticipation.

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RE: Preparing for Discipline - 9/30/2008 4:00:41 AM   
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That's what I was thinking.  I don't see how anyone gets punished for a bad habit.  You can try and break the habit but if it's a habit and not disobedience, why are you being punished?

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RE: Preparing for Discipline - 9/30/2008 4:22:28 AM   
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I am in full agreement that the habit needs to be punished.  It's a habit that's gone on too long, and it's not healthy for me.  And ever since the threat of punishment has been brought into the picture, I've been a lot more concious of the habit, and working on not doing it.  It's not something that I could have stopped on my own that's for sure.

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RE: Preparing for Discipline - 9/30/2008 4:24:55 AM   
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Oh, well if that's how you feel, then I hope it works.

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RE: Preparing for Discipline - 9/30/2008 5:27:39 AM   
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Many things work when it comes to changing habits.
I doubt that adults can be 'punished' out of bad habits - short of very unpleasant, Gantanamo Bay type of full life experience, and I'm not even 100% sure about that.
There is this idea that people sometimes seem to have that, well, if you want to change a habit, decide you ain't gonna do it no more, and, there, that's that. If that worked, of course, no one would have a bad habit, in the first place.
Many different things work to change habits, but the first thing is that an Adult has to make the decision that they want the habit changed. She has already done this. But you are right - without that step, punishment would surely fail to change a habit.
Ever take the college class where you try to change a habit as the class assignment. It is a psche class, meant to give psche students the chance to see several different behavior mod techniques in action. The first step is - everyone chooses their own habit to change, so you start with each person actually having decided to commit to change. The second thing is, everyone chooses their own plan for changing, so they believe in and are comfortable with the technique being used.
There will always be someone who uses the rubberband method. This is punishment, and most people who use it find that it works, at least for small habits. Now, If YOU decided I needed to quit something, and everytime you saw me do it you shot a rubberband at me, that wouldn't work. Even if you told me, everytime, WHY you did it, what would get through to me would be not, 'oh, yea, i need to stop doing that.', but, 'sumbeach, that idjet keeps shooting rubber bands at me! Fuck, that hurts! Stop that!' Her full participation is key.
The other thing you do need to keep in mind, Milf. First, habits are hard to break - that is why they are habits. It may take several punishments. Do not beat yourself up as a failure, just keep trying. Second, decide what is most important to you, - changing the habit, or 'letting' him punish you? You and Master need to talk, and keep communication open. Many people who have finally broken free of a bad habit have had to try several different things before one 'took'. If punishment, after a while, does not seem to be working, talk about it and figure out why.
Lastly, not every habit can be successfully broken. However, every habit has a 'why'. You may succeed if you figure out the 'why'. What do you get out of this that is good or pleasurable to you? and what did you get out of it to begin with that caused you to form the habit, that perhaps you no longer get because things have changed? These have separate answers, and figuring out the answers will help you work successfully to break the habit.
Rewards are good, too. It is generally suggested that a daily habit takes 21 days to form. habit replacement is often the easiest habit changing technique. If you can find a positive habit to replace the negative one, then keep a calendar and do it for 21 days, then you might ask Master to reward you when you reach day 21 without punishment. just a suggestion.

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RE: Preparing for Discipline - 9/30/2008 5:30:46 AM   
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Spanking won't cure smoking. It may cause you to shift from one bad habit to another but it won't address the underlying problem. Nor would it help you learn to be more mindful. There are teachable skills that will, unfortunately too many toppy types aren't capable of teaching and therefore use punishment to cover up their own failures. Pity.

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RE: Preparing for Discipline - 9/30/2008 5:53:12 AM   
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quote:

It may cause you to shift from one bad habit to another but it won't address the underlying problem.


Habit replacement is a valid way to break a habit. Hopefully you shift from a destructive habit to a constuctive one, but, either way, the origanal habit IS, indeed, broken.
Smoking was not mentioned here until you brought it up, but, since it is YOUR example - I can't think of very many habits more destructive to one's health than smoking. If you shift from smoking to nail biting, I promise you will be healthier and live longer, though with uglier nails. NOt a bad trade, overall.

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RE: Preparing for Discipline - 9/30/2008 2:23:56 PM   
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There have been occasions (two in fact) where I have felt a need to be "punished" in order to access a place where I can cry and release pent up emotions.  I can be fairly cold, and tend not to let big emotions overwhelm me, but sometimes this turns negative, and I need the release.  Both occasions, I've gone to someone I trust and taken cane strokes, and sobbed my eyes out.  I know, logically, I did nothing wrong to deserve punishment, but, I believed I was at fault, however flawed that view point was.  Yes, this is topping from the bottom, but, sometimes, there's nothing wrong with that.

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RE: Preparing for Discipline - 9/30/2008 6:11:13 PM   
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This is completely off topic, but, Ivy, I don't think that was topping from the bottom.
If I understand your described scenario correctly, you went to people you trusted, and were upfront with Them about what you wanted, and needed, and why, and what for. They had every right to say no, or to ask you to modify things or make certain adjustments or accept conditions, but they didn't, (or they did, who knows) - the point is, you were honest and communicative, and they made their choices from a fully disclosed place.
Topping from the bottom involves PRETENDING that you are co-operating and handing over full control, while using such skills as manipulation and passive aggressiveness, half truths and underhandedness and sneakiness, to get someone to do what YOU want, instead of communicating honestly so that they can make their own choices in a fully disclosed and communicative way. It does not sound like what you did, forgive me for disagreeing.
You may return to your scheduled topic, now.

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RE: Preparing for Discipline - 9/30/2008 6:38:48 PM   
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Smoking was not mentioned here until you brought it up, but, since it is YOUR example - I can't think of very many habits more destructive to one's health than smoking. If you shift from smoking to nail biting, I promise you will be healthier and live longer, though with uglier nails. NOt a bad trade, overall.


Valid point. What I meant was that the need to smoke would still be there. You might nail bite for a while but eventually you will revert.

Overeating also won't be cured by punishment. If you can get a person to delve into what way this habit is important for them, what underlying need does it solve, then you have a better shot at getting them to end the habit.

I know smoking was my example. If you prefer the example of not using the seat belt, you are in and out of the car a dozen times a day some days. Being beaten once a week or a month won't address this. What will address it and teach the good habit of buckling up is to stick a cardboard sign against the steering wheel saying BUCKLE everytime you exit the car. Plus the dom could text you right before you leave in the morning saying "sign", again at lunch time, quitting time, after your dance class, etc. He could help her learn the new and better habit.

And if it turns out that not buckling is because of claustrophobia, he could help her find a hypnotist or therapist to work on the underlying cause. But a beating wouldn't teach a new habit day in and day out for a month nor find out why you're doing it. And those two parts are essential.

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RE: Preparing for Discipline - 9/30/2008 6:45:41 PM   
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Ok, since everyone is doing a guessing job on what my habit is, I will go ahead and share.

My habit is picking at myself.  I've been doing it for years, it's not really a pain thing it's a habit thing.  I started doing it one day and have had the hardest time stopping.  I pick at everything on my body, from bites to bumps to whatever.  I especially pick at my fingers, to the point of bleeding sometimes.  It's definitely not a good habit to have, and given my family history of diabetes it would be a horrific habit to have if I got the dreaded disease in that it could result in gangrene and loss of appendages.  I digress.  Anyway, I have tried all kinds of things to get to stop.  I've even joined a support group, etc.  Tried medidation, hypnosis type things, and nothing has ever worked. 

Spanking is the only thing that's never been done to me to get me to stop.  This is definitely the last resort so to speak, if I am not "cured" this way I doubt I ever will be, but it's time to put this to the test.  I'm trusting my Dom to do it the best way he sees fit.  I thank you all for your opinions on this subject.  So far I'm on day two, I've had two spankings in a row, and so far I have not picked today, I see that I probably won't pick before my 8AM confessional in the morning.  Hopefully by seeing the positive reinforcement of not getting spanked for not doing it it'll that much feed into my mind not to do it.

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