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Can you relate? - 9/30/2008 11:49:04 AM   
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My roommate identifies as a dominant, he is also a good friend, generally still learning much about the lifestyle and still trying to be comfortable with that part of his personality - or at least still figuring out his comfort level as far as how dominant he wants to 'be".

He's interested in a submissive, she hasn't experienced many things so he is both eager and nervous. Eager at the opportunity and nervous because this would be his first D/s relationship and he wants to do it right, it must be done "right". Part of our conversation was that he was also trying to take things slow and was hesitant to exert any dominance due to the fact she had so much energy and enthusiasm that  believed he would be trying to "contain" or limit her personality by having her submit to him.

For me as a submissive, this was insulting. Even now the statement still irks me. So I explained it to him this way.

The lifestyle allows us to show a side of our personality we can't bring out in normal circumstances. A dom simply brings out a deeper part of the submissive's personality that is usually hidden, it allows the sub to be More of him/herself. It allows you to be who you are without judgment from those who are vanilla. You can be true to who you are. He is not "hindering" any part of who she is, on the contrary, he is bringing more of it to the surface.

In response to this he said he liked my "view on it". His tone when he said it told me "Unlikely, but I like it." I felt like he undermined my personal feelings and belief in what I'd said, but I let it go.

Anyways, apparently my talk convinced him to ask the girl to be his submissive.

Have you ever had these feelings towards a submissive where you thought that perhaps you were putting a damper on the sub's personality? What reshaped those views?

Or if you're in a similar situation, do you think that sometimes by exerting control that you are controlling her personality by not allowing her to be who she is? Why?

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RE: Can you relate? - 9/30/2008 12:09:14 PM   
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But sometimes the dom can put a damper on a sub's personality. If she's bubbly and he doesn't permit anything that isn't serious. Or if she is sarcastic and he finds himself too thin skinned and so puts her on speech restriction to make him feel better without caring that he's prevented her from speaking openly to him at all. I think the fact that he does worry about whether or not there is sufficient compatibility between them speaks well of him becoming a competent, caring dom.

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RE: Can you relate? - 9/30/2008 12:19:42 PM   
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I agree.  A blanket statement "The lifestyle allows us to show a side of our personality we can't bring out in normal circumstances. A dom simply brings out a deeper part of the submissive's personality that is usually hidden, it allows the sub to be More of him/herself. It allows you to be who you are without judgment from those who are vanilla. You can be true to who you are. He is not "hindering" any part of who she is, on the contrary, he is bringing more of it to the surface" doesn't hold true for all dominant nor for all submissives. 

I think that he is going slowly speaks highly for him.  I doubt that he was undermining your personal feelings or beliefs...he may feel that that simply doesn't work for him, that's all.

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RE: Can you relate? - 9/30/2008 12:38:25 PM   
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No it wasnt a general statement for All doms or subs, it was directly referring to her, really.

Though... I didn't think of it that way. Thank you.

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RE: Can you relate? - 9/30/2008 3:05:26 PM   
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Have you ever had these feelings towards a submissive where you thought that perhaps you were putting a damper on the sub's personality? What reshaped those views?

Sure I did. Frankly, I don't see how any healthy human being could approach dominating another and NOT ask questions in that space (at least, not to the extent that I am dominating my wife).  Am I going to "stifle" her?  Am I "taking" from her?  Will this be good for her in the long-term?  Really, these are all pretty obvious questions.  What reshaped my views was... well, hands-on experience.  In the end, it is kind of impossible to look at the smile on my wife's face every day and think that I'm somehow doing something bad.  In the end, I realized that while power can always be abused, I won't abuse it in MY relationship with the woman I LOVE.

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RE: Can you relate? - 9/30/2008 3:37:04 PM   
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Have you ever had these feelings toward a submissive where you thought that perhaps you were putting a damper on the sub's personality? What reshaped those views?

Or if you're in a similar situation, do you think that sometimes by exerting control that you are controlling her personality by not allowing her to be who she is? Why?


It really depends on what kind of control we are talking about and the person we are talking about.

I generally think there is a line between "healthy control" and "limiting and dampening self expression" that we have to be aware of when trying to decide what is or is not best for someone.

Shaving between the legs? I highly doubt that is going to conflict with anyone's self expression unless your in some kind of religious cult that worships Shenra, the Goddess of Crotch Hair.

Completely throwing out someone's wardrobe and changing their entire style of dress? Most likely will probably have negative repercussions on someone.

Forbidding them to ever wear a Christian cross again? Not a big deal for someone who wears it to add a kind of cool Anti-Christ Gothic look to their style, but for a true believer who's faith defines their life, it can be incredibly negative and bad.

Edited to Add : Being a good dominant and leader means to some degree or another, being willing to mold and change what you want in light of what's best for the person serving you. The question is what you can compromise on and what you can't

And as far as your roommate, the whole "OH MY GOD! I am going to destroy her entire life by ordering her to get a cup of coffee and suck my cock!" thing naturally goes away with hands on experience and the personal enlightenment and understanding that comes with it.

You should be happy that he is acting this way, because it's a sign that he will be a good dominant later down the road.




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RE: Can you relate? - 9/30/2008 3:41:59 PM   
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Oh I am. I just think he's worrying and fretting way too much ^_^;

I really appreciate the responses, just wanted to see what he's going through in a sense.




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RE: Can you relate? - 9/30/2008 3:44:08 PM   
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Oh I am. I just think he's worrying and fretting way too much ^_^;



He probably is. Luckily, I had an awesome mentor who took a lot of time with phone conversations to put things in perspective for me.

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RE: Can you relate? - 9/30/2008 4:04:37 PM   
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In response to this he said he liked my "view on it". His tone when he said it told me "Unlikely, but I like it." I felt like he undermined my personal feelings and belief in what I'd said, but I let it go.


That's just it - that is your personal feeling and no one can undermine that. They can disagree with it, or have something to add, but I don't see this as undermining in the slightest.

And for me - this is my personal view - my personality is only fully brought out in submission to the right person. I don't submit to anyone with a BSD (big swingin' dick) but rather to the man that I feel best exemplifies the qualities I want to see in myself - kind, caring, courageous, self-controlled, etc. I respect my current Sir very much, and enjoy submitting to him. I've been in relationships where I lost respect for my partner and bailed, no longer feeling comfortable with submission. Those relationships DID hinder me/constrain me as a woman/make me unhappy.

Your friend has every right to be concerned and I'm glad he's thinking this through. He'll be a better Dom for it.


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RE: Can you relate? - 9/30/2008 4:57:35 PM   
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Don't misunderstand me, when I used the word undermine, i mean in the sense that he doesnt really Get that it is important to me, I was hoping he'd see that when I said it, and from his tone, I didnt think he really understood it. So I just let it go because I can see it may or may not be true for him, I dont know.

Its not like Im holding it against him, he can't pick at my brain or see what it is to me.

I wonder if domme's have this same issue?


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RE: Can you relate? - 9/30/2008 5:33:57 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Daes

My roommate identifies as a dominant, he is also a good friend, generally still learning much about the lifestyle and still trying to be comfortable with that part of his personality - or at least still figuring out his comfort level as far as how dominant he wants to 'be".

He's interested in a submissive, she hasn't experienced many things so he is both eager and nervous. Eager at the opportunity and nervous because this would be his first D/s relationship and he wants to do it right, it must be done "right". Part of our conversation was that he was also trying to take things slow and was hesitant to exert any dominance due to the fact she had so much energy and enthusiasm that  believed he would be trying to "contain" or limit her personality by having her submit to him.

For me as a submissive, this was insulting. Even now the statement still irks me. So I explained it to him this way.

The lifestyle allows us to show a side of our personality we can't bring out in normal circumstances. A dom simply brings out a deeper part of the submissive's personality that is usually hidden, it allows the sub to be More of him/herself. It allows you to be who you are without judgment from those who are vanilla. You can be true to who you are. He is not "hindering" any part of who she is, on the contrary, he is bringing more of it to the surface.

In response to this he said he liked my "view on it". His tone when he said it told me "Unlikely, but I like it." I felt like he undermined my personal feelings and belief in what I'd said, but I let it go.

Anyways, apparently my talk convinced him to ask the girl to be his submissive.

Have you ever had these feelings towards a submissive where you thought that perhaps you were putting a damper on the sub's personality? What reshaped those views?

Or if you're in a similar situation, do you think that sometimes by exerting control that you are controlling her personality by not allowing her to be who she is? Why?


"His tone when he said it told me "Unlikely, but I like it." I felt like he undermined my personal feelings and belief in what I'd said..." Is it just me, or do I read a subtle touch of dominant attitude in his reaction to you. From a distance, there appears the chance that perhaps... perhaps your discussion is more than you might understand or be willing to acknowledge.

Don't mind me, I'm just stirring the pot.

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RE: Can you relate? - 10/1/2008 1:38:40 AM   
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Or if you're in a similar situation, do you think that sometimes by exerting control that you are controlling her personality by not allowing her to be who she is? Why?


ppl control others personalities all the time wether they realize it or not.  Your parents give you a look.  A friend rolls their eyes.  You get the idea.

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RE: Can you relate? - 10/1/2008 6:56:46 AM   
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If he was entering into a relationship with you, then this kind of attitude would undermine your experience. But that's because you are experienced.

Both he and his gf are new to this, and shouldn't be jumping into the deep end without knowing anything. They need to take it slow because they will hit unexpected landmines along the way. We all have emotional triggers that we have to trip to know about. Going this slowly allows them to hit those things and recover. Remember if you hit a telephone poll with your car at 5 mph you do a whole lot less damage then if you're going 80. Let them go at the pace that is right for them, do not try to mold them into your image.

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RE: Can you relate? - 10/1/2008 8:22:27 PM   
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somehow I wonder if we are talking about him and her..or her and Him...

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RE: Can you relate? - 10/2/2008 10:51:21 AM   
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If a sub is pushing for edge play too soon and too fast, the dominant should rein in things a bit.  Sometimes the Dom is the one to keep some sanity in play.

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RE: Can you relate? - 10/2/2008 12:25:26 PM   
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In response to this he said he liked my "view on it". His tone when he said it told me "Unlikely, but I like it." I felt like he undermined my personal feelings and belief in what I'd said, but I let it go.


So, his not accepting your view undermined you?  What about your not accepting his?  That is what we call a "two edged sword"...you don't get to have it both ways dear.


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RE: Can you relate? - 10/2/2008 5:46:53 PM   
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The thing that I think the op is not seeing, is the personal angle. She needs her dom to have the same viewpoint as she does. And since she's close friends with this other dom, she automatically thinks he should share her viewpoint. But he would only have to do that if she were entering into a relationship with him.

Since he's entering into a relationship with someone else, it isn't important that he shares the op's viewpoint. It is only important that he shares his sub's viewpoint.

You don't need to run your dynamic in exactly the same way to be friends, you just need to share enough commonalities in ethics and general life interests to be friends.

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RE: Can you relate? - 10/3/2008 12:16:54 PM   
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ive always felt that one of the most freeing things about being in a D/s relationship is the fact that you can be yourself, totally.  free in the knowledge that the D will encourage the good, modify the not so good and erradicate the bad.  so i can be all that i am and know that i will only be checked on the things that bug him or need to be controlled.

its only a bad thing if the D has an ideal that he thinks his sub should fit into and completely strips her of her own identity. take the raw materials and hone them, yes.  but the raw materials need to be as close to compatible with the D before they start.

its potentially devastating otherwise, particularly if the relationship then ends.

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RE: Can you relate? - 10/4/2008 3:36:06 AM   
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I always said the freedom stuff but i realised recently that in most of my past relationships I was the way I was because I was terrified. I am in a relationship now where the Dominant I am with is actively trying to change my personality and I dont see that as a bad thing, no hes not trying to stop me having an opinion or being able to speak to him he is trying to boost my sense of self, become more organised and less anxious. Also in reverse he is changing elements of himself that we both see as negative. People change all the time, relationships facilitate change because if they didnt what would be the point? Life is about learning and growing. I realise that this OP is implying that the fear is of squashing personality but you know what some parts of everyones personality could do with a good squashing.

I also agree with Desfip when starting out its a bloody good thing to be careful. I had loads of people tell me what I was meant to feel and to be honest all it did was put pressure on me and extend the amount of time it took for me to feel good about it. There isnt one way to skin a cat as they say, talking with passion about it is great but one of the first things a sub told me was that I had to feel as though a certain place was home to me, if i didnt feel that then I wasnt really a sub, i pushed to feel it because I identified witht he word sub but I couldnt feel it, you know what that does to someones confidence? its horrbile questioning your motivations especially when you eventually realise it was all stupid anyways.

I think its great that you are helping him out and of you shouldnt put a lid on your feelings however make sure that you point out they are your feelings, dont be offended if they dont agree and dont push it. Everyone who finds this side of themselves also finds why it means so much to them they find their own explianations and definitions and that rocks actually.

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RE: Can you relate? - 10/4/2008 3:49:12 AM   
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Or if you're in a similar situation, do you think that sometimes by exerting control that you are controlling her personality by not allowing her to be who she is? Why?



It's dampner.

Presumably you're with a woman because you like her......why aim to fundamentally change that which you like?

You can always aim to shave off a few rough edges, though.



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