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MasterFireMaam -> RE: collar of protection (9/30/2008 8:09:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

I agreed with you until Master Fire posted that she uses collars of protection in her household protocols.  That made me less cynical about the things.


*chuckle*

That's changed...as all things do. I don't do levels anymore. Not because they're 'wrong' or whatever, but because they didn't reflect how I REALLY operate. I wanted it to work that way, but it doesn't for me, based on the successful relationship I have and the failed ones I don't. With anne, we talked a lot and spent time together for a year, then she petitioned. Every time I've done the level thing, it's not worked out. So, I had to really look at why.

When I did use them, the idea for me behind the 'protection/guardianship' collar was, honestly, more about staking my territory than anythings else. I saw this when I really, really took a look at why the system failed me. It was hard to admit I was doing this because its admitting my insecurities got to me, which is a blow to the Ego, of course. I've since switch to just peeing on their leg. ;-)

Master Fire




beargonewild -> RE: collar of protection (9/30/2008 8:11:46 PM)

Speaking of collars Greedy, got the ring yet?  *grins*




LadyArakney -> RE: collar of protection (9/30/2008 8:11:52 PM)

I was wondering ... is it the newest model of protection collars that have the onstar locator in it just like the cars, so that if there's a sharp whack to the collar, it locates you and sends help?  




JewAndCelt -> RE: collar of protection (9/30/2008 8:12:15 PM)

So under a collar of protection you may still seek other doms (if I am not mistaken). The problem with that is I can't see any doms I know jumping through hoops to get to a potental sub. Most doms sort of make their own rules and tend to dismiss rules put on them by other people.

So in my thinking - you would be limiting yourself.

But that is just my two cents.........

_her




DiurnalVampire -> RE: collar of protection (9/30/2008 8:14:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: goodgirlslave

i am considering taking a collar of protection.  can anyone give me some thoughts to think about or questions to ask as i consider it?

1) What is this Dom going to protect me from that I cant protect myself from.
2) What is this Dom going to expect from me, without ownership?
3) Where is the Dom who is protecting me, and will he be physically present at any point in time.
4) Does this collar of protection give the Dom I take it from some sort of veto power to make decisions in my relationships and about my partners.
5) Do I trust this Dom?
6) Why is the Dom willing to offer a collar of protection but not consider ownership of me?

Honestly, other than #1, they are all fluff questions. What can someone protect you from that you cannot protect yourself from, as an adult? And who is going to protect you from your protector? Are you sure the one offering you the collar really has YOUR best interests in mind and isnt just looking for an easy way to get what they want from you without the permanency of ownership? Why yoke the oxen when you can get the plowing for free so to speak (yes, I know, cow and milk but you get the point)

DV




GreedyTop -> RE: collar of protection (9/30/2008 8:17:30 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam

quote:

ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

I agreed with you until Master Fire posted that she uses collars of protection in her household protocols.  That made me less cynical about the things.


*chuckle*

That's changed...as all things do. I don't do levels anymore. Not because they're 'wrong' or whatever, but because they didn't reflect how I REALLY operate. I wanted it to work that way, but it doesn't for me, based on the successful relationship I have and the failed ones I don't. With anne, we talked a lot and spent time together for a year, then she petitioned. Every time I've done the level thing, it's not worked out. So, I had to really look at why.

When I did use them, the idea for me behind the 'protection/guardianship' collar was, honestly, more about staking my territory than anythings else. I saw this when I really, really took a look at why the system failed me. It was hard to admit I was doing this because its admitting my insecurities got to me, which is a blow to the Ego, of course. I've since switch to just peeing on their leg. ;-)

Master Fire



thats just hot!! *grin*

Bear .. working on it!!

and I agree with DV




beargonewild -> RE: collar of protection (9/30/2008 8:18:08 PM)

I quite agree with you DV. It's my feeling that offering a collar of protection is akin to saying to a dom or sub : yeah, I'll settle for you until something better comes along."
Any Dom I know won't bother with a sub who wear's a collar of protection from another.




StrangerThan -> RE: collar of protection (9/30/2008 8:23:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

I think a collar of protection is what a dom offers you when he's trying to get into your panties.



I think you're dead on probably 99 percent of the time.

The problem with a collar of protection is that you're going to have to explain it to most people and those you'd probably need protection from aren't going to care a whole lot. Depending on who's offering, the reason they're offering it and their integrity, you can just as easily be roping yourself into a corner with someone you don't want to be in a corner with.

I view the ideal of them as something of a mentoring thing. The reality of them is a good part of the time, Aileen1968 is dead on right. Another reality to them is the fact that the very idea of them has you linked to someone, which is going to put a lot of folks off. Translate that to mean good as well as bad. After all, you've made it this far in life and now you suddenly need someone to review your email, IM, act as a mediator between you and someone else, whatever, to determine if Alfred is a "true" Dom or if Johnny passes Sir's tests?  I used to mentor. No I didn't teach women "how" to be submissive (never quite figured out how Dominant was what one was, but submissive one had to be trained to be. Nor could I figure out how I was going to train anyone to be submissive to someone else.) I only dealt with those who had real life problems and I don't consider looking for a Dom to be a real life problem, I consider it looking. In any case, I was informed a time or two that I'd been used as that protector just to get some cling-on or dick-head to go away.

I didn't mind.

Here's a bottom line for you though. Take care in accepting any kind of collar. I'm not sure who you need protection from to the degree that you might make it official that Dom A or Dom B will be screening applicants, but in doing so you will, by default, be latching on to their view and giving them some control in your life. Shrug. Some folks see collars - any collar as a simple attachment. I don't. I view them as a committment. If Dom A or Dom B insists that you accept such a collar in order to be there for you if you did in fact need their opinion or their help, then in reality, either their ego needs stroked or they're probably more interested in the control they have over you than you in the first place.

A lot depends on the situation and you gave none of it. If it's someone you know well, trust, then it could be a good thing, If it's some Voice of Oz over the internet thing, well.. remember who Oz really was?







faerytattoodgirl -> RE: collar of protection (9/30/2008 8:23:49 PM)

so you want to be protected by fleas and ticks? thats all collar's do...on pets...of the non human kind....




Hippiekinkster -> RE: collar of protection (9/30/2008 8:24:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

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ORIGINAL: boytoyinatlanta

from bad play partners, users, abusers, sex fiends, and other undesirables


like a collar is some kind of magic talisman? akin to vampires and garlic??
I used to have a Collar of Invisibility once, but I put it in the wrong place and haven't seen it since. Probably got sucked under the sofa by Selective Gravity.




BKSir -> RE: collar of protection (9/30/2008 8:27:51 PM)

My pet has a collar of protection of sorts... more like a cell phone though.  If someone won't get the hint, all he has to do is call me, and I come explain calmly and rationally that he belongs to me.  If they still don't get the hint, I explain calmly and rationally that, out in the parking lot is a 1982 oldsmobile station wagon that is large to the point of obscenity and that it would gladly also explain far less calmly and rationally that my pet belongs to me and the annoying person should probably walk away immediately.

Possessive and protective much?  Nah.




beargonewild -> RE: collar of protection (9/30/2008 8:32:19 PM)

Nope, sounds like you should be far more caring BK  *grins*




Lashra -> RE: collar of protection (9/30/2008 8:33:39 PM)

Learn to use your own good judgement and forget the collar of protection. Once your actually "owned" by someone protection should come with that. Until then you are responsible for yourself as an adult. I've seen to many slaves throw the responsibility of taking care of themselves to the wind just because they wore a "collar of protection". That collar will not protect you, your instincts will so use them.

Good luck,
~Lashra




UmbraDomina -> RE: collar of protection (9/30/2008 8:40:24 PM)

*LMAO* collar of protection.... if someone messed with my beloved slave they would need the protection...... from him. He is submissive to me, not to the world, he would fold someone up in a shoebox and mail them to their mother.




sambamanslilgirl -> RE: collar of protection (9/30/2008 9:18:24 PM)

collar of protection = the "i'm not really serious about us until we have sex" collar





AquaticSub -> RE: collar of protection (9/30/2008 9:25:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: goodgirlslave

i am considering taking a collar of protection.  can anyone give me some thoughts to think about or questions to ask as i consider it?


Why do you want one? What is going to protect you from? Why can't you protect yourself from it?

I'm cynical of them but I also think they have their place. However, I also believe that one should only accept them from someone they are positively never going to have sex with and the person offering it should understand that. Personally, I can see myself accepting one in very particular circumstances so figure out what it is going to do for you - not what they are saying it will.




girlygurl -> RE: collar of protection (9/30/2008 9:26:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: goodgirlslave

i am considering taking a collar of protection.  can anyone give me some thoughts to think about or questions to ask as i consider it?


What or who do you need protection from?  IMO it sounds kinda silly.  Is this like being under consideration?  I never got that one either.  What ever works for you and the other person is all that matters.  Good luck and be well.

girly




christine1 -> RE: collar of protection (9/30/2008 9:27:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: faerytattoodgirl

so you want to be protected by fleas and ticks? thats all collar's do...on pets...of the non human kind....


hey now, we flea ridden subs need protection too!




girlygurl -> RE: collar of protection (9/30/2008 9:29:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sambamanslilgirl

collar of protection = the "i'm not really serious about us until we have sex" collar




Thanks for the laugh! [sm=LMAO.gif]




Usako -> RE: collar of protection (9/30/2008 9:37:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sambamanslilgirl
collar of protection = the "i'm not really serious about us until we have sex" collar


So what does someone call the "lets just be friends" collar? Or the "I'll call you tomorrow" collar? Or maybe the "I'm just not that into you" collar.




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