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RE: Techniques for self-suppression or self-mastery. - 10/2/2008 9:17:23 AM

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This feels very passive-aggressive. I find you a frustrating person to follow on these boards.

I don't.

The problem being that those who do find it infinitely easier to resort to an argumentum ad hominem rather than addressing the topic.

(Side tangent: It has, wrongly, become colloquial thought that the 'ad hominem' is an example of a direct insult. What I'm speaking of here is the actual definition, where posters are not addressing his words objectively, but making presumptions about his persona first and then tossing out their 'advice' through that presumption filter.)

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RE: Techniques for self-suppression or self-mastery. - 10/2/2008 9:18:53 AM

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No, I am not going to tell you how to do it, because if your going to be in charge of someone else, then at some point your going to have to stop asking everyone else to tell you what to do.

Being a Master does not translate into magical knowledge of every possible topic (internal or external).

At the moment he becomes in charge of someone else, ironically, he won't need to worry about the part of him that has trouble with learning to deal with not having someone to be in charge of.

It is possible to be genuinely unsure of how to progress through one phase of life without it necessarily impacting one's abilities in a greater (or at least 'realtioship') sense.

Honestly, it's about having base-line skills, no? I may be wrong but you seem to defend the OP in a theoretical way, but really, his performance on the boards have been abismal.

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RE: Techniques for self-suppression or self-mastery. - 10/2/2008 9:21:49 AM

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No, I am not going to tell you how to do it, because if your going to be in charge of someone else, then at some point your going to have to stop asking everyone else to tell you what to do.

Being a Master does not translate into magical knowledge of every possible topic (internal or external).

At the moment he becomes in charge of someone else, ironically, he won't need to worry about the part of him that has trouble with learning to deal with not having someone to be in charge of.

It is possible to be genuinely unsure of how to progress through one phase of life without it necessarily impacting one's abilities in a greater (or at least 'realtioship') sense.

Honestly, it's about having base-line skills, no? I may be wrong but you seem to defend the OP in a theoretical way, but really, his performance on the boards have been abysmal.

I get the feeling that NZ enjoys playing Devil's Advocate from time to time, which is something I enjoy because it forces me to think about my own reactions and what I'm doing. Can't speak for everyone here, but keep it up NZ!

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RE: Techniques for self-suppression or self-mastery. - 10/2/2008 9:24:24 AM

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Honestly, it's about having base-line skills, no?

Those being...what?
Even in contrast to what I would normally be prone to think, the only real "skills" needed are those which would be needed by those you partner with.

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I may be wrong but you seem to defend the OP in a theoretical way, but really, his performance on the boards have been abismal.

"Abysmal" is a subjective term. If you happen to think that is the case, why are you even addressing his questions? Just to get a dig in?

Those who think he may be riding himself in circles but are genuinely trying to assist would not resort to the passive-aggressive snide prods that are apparent in a number of responses.

His "status" on the boards has been "abysmal" perhaps because he has openly admitted to seeking out things that, even in a supposedly liberal and tolerant community, hit many people's sensitivity buttons. They then follow that touchiness with the attribution of assumptions that were never accurate in the first place.

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RE: Techniques for self-suppression or self-mastery. - 10/2/2008 9:26:50 AM

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I get the feeling that NZ enjoys playing Devil's Advocate from time to time, which is something I enjoy because it forces me to think about my own reactions and what I'm doing. Can't speak for everyone here, but keep it up NZ!

How am I supposed to remain serious if I'm smiling at compliments?

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RE: Techniques for self-suppression or self-mastery. - 10/2/2008 9:29:23 AM

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NZ, everything is subjective; language creates reality; everything is a social construct. I agree, I couldn't agree more. More than anything, it's the narsisstic nature of the posts that wear me out (and yet I'm still here). Oh, and thanks for correcting my spelling......my spelling always sucks.

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RE: Techniques for self-suppression or self-mastery. - 10/2/2008 9:35:36 AM

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i work at self-mastery myself and have put many years into it, and will continue. There are times though that i get very confused. i do not understand what other's are saying to me, and find it difficult to communicate my own feelings. When this happens i know i need to stop everything. Stop fixating on what i believe is reality. Stop fearing the future. Stop painting a dim-view of life to be. Stop defining myself and my life period. It is during these times, i know i have no answers and gone into the pits of life. At that point i focus on the now. i do not focus on tomorrow or even a year from now.i do not focus on yesterday. i have today, so i focus on anything that is positive and keep my mind off my fears. This is extremely hard to do. So i write one postive thing about me and carry it around all day so i can focus on it, when those fears want to take over me. The next day i write another positive thing about me and do the same. By doing this, eventually i come from an empowered self, not a self ruled by my fears. Does this happen overnight? No, but you can see a difference by doing this in about a month. The point though you have to keep at it for a life time. You will have times of clutter mind throughout your life, but you can do something about it. This is not an easy thing to do. For me i prefer to be self-empowered than not, so i will do it.
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RE: Techniques for self-suppression or self-mastery. - 10/2/2008 11:21:57 AM

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Still on the "I'll never win" kick?

Not at all - but I am still on the "what does it take to win? No, wait, that doesn't make any sense... anything else?" kick.

Which is apparently far more frustrating for other people. I'm still working on delivery.

I think what's frustrating is that other people have tried to help you in so many ways, by taking a lot of time to post to you and putting a lot of thought and care behind it. I wonder if you feel that.

At any rate, it seems that no matter what is presented to you, you seem to blow it off.

Look, it's not about you taking advice so as not to offend someone, and it's not about your delivery or your words, it's more in your actions. You're like the proverbial horse being led to water yet you refuse to drink it.

I'm not saying you should abandon your own ideals and replace them with someone else's, but maybe consider for a moment that your own approach and beliefs haven't been working well for you, and maybe it would behoove you to at least consider some of the suggestions that you have received. Why not challenge those ideas by trying them on for size before dismissing them out of hand? What have you got to lose.

No one wants to see you fail. People have been posting to you for weeks here about the same fundamental issue, which seems to be your belief that you're never going to find the fulfillment that you deserve to have.

When I read your OP....Here's what I get from it.

"I need to find a way to bury this part of myself, because I believe I'm never going to find what I want.

Don't you see how self-defeating that is? And basically everyone here has said the same thing in so many words, yet you just keep coming back with "ok, I'll shut up", "Ok I should work on my delivery". Don't worry about how anyone takes it. It's not about them. It's about YOU. Why aren't you willing to help yourself? Or why does it appear that way? I'm not inside your head, so maybe this is off-base, but what I'm getting here is that you almost want to fail so you can continue to prove yourself correct.

Your vulnerability is palpable, and you seem like you're in a substantial amount of pain. And a lot of people have reached out to you for no other reason than they give a shit about a virtual stranger. And yes, when you put your back to that and write it all off as useless, it becomes frustrating for those who are trying to help you. I would imagine that's where some of the "dickery" is coming from. But read past it, and take the important stuff to heart.

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RE: Techniques for self-suppression or self-mastery. - 10/2/2008 12:09:42 PM

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