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RE: Is it possible for a slave to earn good money? - 10/4/2008 4:53:02 AM   
winoverme


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No. It's impossible for slaves to make even bad money.

Agreed

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Slaves work for free. That's why we call them slaves.

Unfortunately no one works for free, not even a slave...the payoff may not be monetary, but there is a payoff.  Its more like the Barter System.

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Unfortunately no one works for free, not even a slave...the payoff may not be monetary, but there is a payoff. Its more like the Barter System.
Thank you for your time BBBTBW..It's because i was wondering if slaves cannot be some sort of Geishas by pure chance? They would, only on some occasions, dedicate themselves in the art of pleasing others. They would earn money this way and still be respectable, because people would appreciate their efforts to entertain...

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RE: Is it possible for a slave to earn good money? - 10/4/2008 4:57:17 AM   
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You want to trade secual favours for money and Not be a prostitute?
What do you think prostitutes do Sweetie?
If BDSM isn't sex, what the hell is?
With no offence to sex workers.

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You want to trade secual favours for money and Not be a prostitute?
What do you think prostitutes do Sweetie?
If BDSM isn't sex, what the hell is?
With no offence to sex workers.
So if i hear correctly what you're kindly telling me, it would mean that a slave with a salary is a whore, but a slave who performs for free (who gives himself to others, allowing them to use him for their private pleasure) would be more respectable?

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RE: Is it possible for a slave to earn good money? - 10/4/2008 5:01:14 AM   
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No. It's impossible for slaves to make even bad money.

Slaves work for free. That's why we call them slaves.




I guess you prefer real authentic slaves? I also like to think i am pure and (almost) perfect, to make sure Mistresses are pleased with me...

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RE: Is it possible for a slave to earn good money? - 10/4/2008 5:08:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		As many folk on here will happily tell you (and also IMveryHO), BDSM is not always about sex, in fact for some, sex does not come into it at all.  There are plenty of pro subs, just google them i did when i was curious about this.  i think (and this is also only my opinion) that being a pro sub can mean that you take on a dominant role, by definition almost. 

Let me try and explain something that i only feel, so may not make sense... If you provide a service to one that needs it, whether that is taxi driver, Mistress, shop owner; you are in control of that service you are providing.  The difference with a pro sub is that the client thinks they are in charge, they are paying for that priveledge.  However, you still retain the right to choose what service you offer, how long they have, how much they pay and in the end, when they leave.  Now, you tell me who is actually dominant here? 

If you can take the shift in roles that seems so apparent to me here, then by all means go ahead.  However, when i started thinking about this for myself, it became obvious to me that i would never be able to do it.  i am a slave, my Master loves to use me and to tell me about others who will use me.  They will not pay and i will, in the end, only be serving my Master by doing it.  That is what i am.  Believe me, if i thought that there was an easy way to make money out of it i would, but it would be going against what i deeply feel slavery to be.

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RE: Is it possible for a slave to earn good money? - 10/4/2008 5:09:46 AM   
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Sometimes it's been a little fantasy of mine to be "employed" as a kind of servant (or peon) to a mistress.  But, hmm - I'd only enjoy it if I were worked very hard and paid a tiny wage (£3 an hour, say)!  As for "real wages" - I have, in a sense, earned them - with a company called "ButlersintheBuff" (an outfit that provides mostly-naked "butlers" for female-only functions.  Easy to find on Google).  But whether you'd feel truly as though you were in a "Ds" mode whilst working at one of their standard engagements is something else again.  I did at first, but the feeling didn't last. 

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Sometimes it's been a little fantasy of mine to be "employed" as a kind of servant (or peon) to a mistress. But, hmm - I'd only enjoy it if I were worked very hard and paid a tiny wage (£3 an hour, say)! As for "real wages" - I have, in a sense, earned them - with a company called "ButlersintheBuff" (an outfit that provides mostly-naked "butlers" for female-only functions. Easy to find on Google). But whether you'd feel truly as though you were in a "Ds" mode whilst working at one of their standard engagements is something else again. I did at first, but the feeling didn't last.
Thank you for your helpful hint! I too, think that i wouldn't like very much the idea of making money on the back of serving Mistresses...In my deep soul, i have the desire of self-sacrifice (at least on some level). I really enjoy the thought of leaving some part of my identity or needs behind, only to concentrate on becoming useful yo others, so that they may become proud of me..That doesn't settle my need to earn a living though..If only it was possible to work for good money for others without being forced to keep a conventional job (9 to 5), with a boss that doesn't even care about you...

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RE: Is it possible for a slave to earn good money? - 10/4/2008 5:11:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Slightly on a tangent but interestingly many Pro Doms I have spoken to say that in that context they are more submissive than dominant, they are perfoming a service the way that the client wants that service to be performed.

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RE: Is it possible for a slave to earn good money? - 10/4/2008 5:13:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tweedydaddy

You want to trade secual favours for money and Not be a prostitute?
What do you think prostitutes do Sweetie?
If BDSM isn't sex, what the hell is?
With no offence to sex workers.


So then, by your definition all pro-dommes are prostitutes.

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RE: Is it possible for a slave to earn good money? - 10/4/2008 5:15:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GabrielleSlave

As many folk on here will happily tell you (and also IMveryHO), BDSM is not always about sex, in fact for some, sex does not come into it at all.  There are plenty of pro subs, just google them i did when i was curious about this.  i think (and this is also only my opinion) that being a pro sub can mean that you take on a dominant role, by definition almost. 

Let me try and explain something that i only feel, so may not make sense... If you provide a service to one that needs it, whether that is taxi driver, Mistress, shop owner; you are in control of that service you are providing.  The difference with a pro sub is that the client thinks they are in charge, they are paying for that priveledge.  However, you still retain the right to choose what service you offer, how long they have, how much they pay and in the end, when they leave.  Now, you tell me who is actually dominant here? 

If you can take the shift in roles that seems so apparent to me here, then by all means go ahead.  However, when i started thinking about this for myself, it became obvious to me that i would never be able to do it.  i am a slave, my Master loves to use me and to tell me about others who will use me.  They will not pay and i will, in the end, only be serving my Master by doing it.  That is what i am.  Believe me, if i thought that there was an easy way to make money out of it i would, but it would be going against what i deeply feel slavery to be.

Hugs

Gabrielle (please note that these are my feelings only!!)

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If you provide a service to one that needs it, whether that is taxi driver, Mistress, shop owner; you are in control of that service you are providing. The difference with a pro sub is that the client thinks they are in charge, they are paying for that priveledge. However, you still retain the right to choose what service you offer, how long they have, how much they pay and in the end, when they leave. Now, you tell me who is actually dominant here?


yes i see...That means to have some control over a service you can provide...But in the end, some part of you belongs to others, because you allow them to use you...

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RE: Is it possible for a slave to earn good money? - 10/4/2008 5:19:56 AM   
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No. It's impossible for slaves to make even bad money.

Slaves work for free. That's why we call them slaves.


one of my ex' buddies said he was gonna marry some girl for the "free sex".

wolf said "there aint NO such thing as free sex.  believe me, you PAY."

kitten, just sayin. 

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one of my ex' buddies said he was gonna marry some girl for the "free sex".

wolf said "there aint NO such thing as free sex. believe me, you PAY."

kitten, just sayin.

I agree that women are Goddesses and to have sex with them automatically means you are obligated to them after...They are perfect.

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RE: Is it possible for a slave to earn good money? - 10/4/2008 5:22:51 AM   
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Ok, while there are pro subs, the possiblity of a male making enough as a pro submissive to pay the bills is not very likely. There are just too many of them around willing to do it for free.

And no, a pro sub is generally not a prostitute, unless they choose to offer intercourse, bjs, what have you. Some posters on the board will disagree (Loudly, with much stomping and yelling)


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RE: Is it possible for a slave to earn good money? - 10/4/2008 5:24:36 AM   
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..But in the end, some part of you belongs to others, because you allow them to use you...


the very fact that you are allowing it, puts you in control surely?  You allow them to pay you for a service.  That makes them the sub in my view...

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RE: Is it possible for a slave to earn good money? - 10/4/2008 5:25:08 AM   
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If BDSM isn't sex, what the hell is?


I'm just going to omit the prostitute line to avoid further drama and just respond to this "lovely" gem. BDSM most certainly CAN be about sex but not everyone spreads their legs in the lifestyle. Plenty of people enjoy BDSM and BDSM relationships without sex.

To the OP; why the hell would I pay money to a male sub or slave? There are FAR more male subs/slaves than female dommes to deal with them. Why pay for something when I can just as easily get it for free?

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RE: Is it possible for a slave to earn good money? - 10/4/2008 5:26:13 AM   
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G'morning all:


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In answer to the OP; yes, there are professional submissives. In answer to other posters; no, they are not prostitutes. They accept cash for beatings, bondage and related services. They do not however engage in any form of sexual contact. How am I privy to this knowledge? I am acquainted with several, one of whom used to be employed by Pandora's Box here in NYC. Any reputable fetish house will not permit either their professional dominants nor submissives to engage in prostitution.

There may be ladies or gentlemen of the evening that engage in fetish acts while entertaining a customer but this doesn't imbue them with the title of professional dominant or submissive in any way. For there to be sexual content, there must be either oral, anal or vaginal contact. The professionals I'm acquainted with turn down clients that seek these services. I dearly wish people would stop lump summing the sex trade along with the professional fetish entertainment trade. To do so clearly shows a narrow minded method of thinking.


Stay safe, play nice, & share your toys w/ others...





Bella

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I dearly wish people would stop lump summing the sex trade along with the professional fetish entertainment trade. To do so clearly shows a narrow minded method of thinking.


Stay safe, play nice, & share your toys w/ others...


I generally agree with you "stay safe" attitude, though i wonder if that's enough to please service users...Won't hey be tempted to ask for more?

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RE: Is it possible for a slave to earn good money? - 10/4/2008 5:27:22 AM   
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Let me try and explain something that i only feel, so may not make sense... If you provide a service to one that needs it, whether that is taxi driver, Mistress, shop owner; you are in control of that service you are providing.  The difference with a pro sub is that the client thinks they are in charge, they are paying for that priveledge.  However, you still retain the right to choose what service you offer, how long they have, how much they pay and in the end, when they leave.  Now, you tell me who is actually dominant here? 




So, if I understand this correctly, when I go to McDonald's the pimple-faced kid serving up my happy meal is in control and I should be grateful for the privilege of being allowed my greasy fries.

Does this mean I'm going to have to start tipping at McDonald's?

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RE: Is it possible for a slave to earn good money? - 10/4/2008 5:28:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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Let me try and explain something that i only feel, so may not make sense... If you provide a service to one that needs it, whether that is taxi driver, Mistress, shop owner; you are in control of that service you are providing.  The difference with a pro sub is that the client thinks they are in charge, they are paying for that priveledge.  However, you still retain the right to choose what service you offer, how long they have, how much they pay and in the end, when they leave.  Now, you tell me who is actually dominant here? 




So, if I understand this correctly, when I go to McDonald's the pimple-faced kid serving up my happy meal is in control and I should be grateful for the privilege of being allowed my greasy fries.

Does this mean I'm going to have to start tipping at McDonald's?


No. What she means is that the kid at the lemonade stand still has the authority to kick you off his  driveway.


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RE: Is it possible for a slave to earn good money? - 10/4/2008 5:47:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: tweedydaddy

You want to trade secual favours for money and Not be a prostitute?
What do you think prostitutes do Sweetie?
If BDSM isn't sex, what the hell is?
With no offence to sex workers.


So then, by your definition all pro-dommes are prostitutes.

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So then, by your definition all pro-dommes are prostitutes.


Of course not!! I violently oppose to this disgusting suggestion! Women ARE the the stronger sex after all! They are superior in many "sexual" aspects in our lives (males) and they dominate us with all their skill and ability to mold us from their own image...For me, all women are better than man because they know best what's right and how men should behave toward them...I even think that real prostitutes (on the street) deserve lots of respect...One time, as i saw one woman on the corner of the street (about 50 yrs old, not that pretty), standing and waiting for interested customers, i stopped at her and told her: "I deeply respect what you do..Do you mind if i prove it to you by licking your feet? She answered with visible pleasure: "Go ahead..Do it". so i knelt down to her and started to lick her feet while looking at her with an angelic pleasing face..She was smiling and people in the street were wondering: "What the hell?" Finally, i said: "Thank you for being a woman" and left her...I think she left the corner of the street...Last Sunday, i went to the public demonstration that was held against C-484, the anti-abortion law, because i felt concerned about the women's right to have free legal abortion without becoming criminals...I've learned there that many respectful women were victims of violence, poverty and some had to end up in the street...It made me realize that they all are determined and important women. And i now have to admit that, as a good boy that was raised in a healthy family, i don't even stand at the ankle of most of these wonderful women. so i rightfully now my place is at their feet!!

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RE: Is it possible for a slave to earn good money? - 10/4/2008 5:51:28 AM   
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Let me put my flame proof hat on here....

Ok, while there are pro subs, the possiblity of a male making enough as a pro submissive to pay the bills is not very likely. There are just too many of them around willing to do it for free.

And no, a pro sub is generally not a prostitute, unless they choose to offer intercourse, bjs, what have you. Some posters on the board will disagree (Loudly, with much stomping and yelling)


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There are just too many of them around willing to do it for free.


I imagine that if so many subs are willing to make it for free, it's probably because they are aware that Women deserve to be served...

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RE: Is it possible for a slave to earn good money? - 10/4/2008 5:52:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Wow win what an increadably warped view you have. Putting aside the sycophantic nature of your posts I find it rather offensive that you would assume either sex is 'better' and your argument is sadly lacking to validate your view either. This is off topic but I guess you took it there. it shows a real low self image to believe that all women are better than you. I also wouldnt have thought many Mistresses agree with the statement either.

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RE: Is it possible for a slave to earn good money? - 10/4/2008 5:53:22 AM   
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Let me try and explain something that i only feel, so may not make sense... If you provide a service to one that needs it, whether that is taxi driver, Mistress, shop owner; you are in control of that service you are providing.  The difference with a pro sub is that the client thinks they are in charge, they are paying for that priveledge.  However, you still retain the right to choose what service you offer, how long they have, how much they pay and in the end, when they leave.  Now, you tell me who is actually dominant here? 




So, if I understand this correctly, when I go to McDonald's the pimple-faced kid serving up my happy meal is in control and I should be grateful for the privilege of being allowed my greasy fries.

Does this mean I'm going to have to start tipping at McDonald's?

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So, if I understand this correctly, when I go to McDonald's the pimple-faced kid serving up my happy meal is in control and I should be grateful for the privilege of being allowed my greasy fries.

Does this mean I'm going to have to start tipping at McDonald's?


Of course not!! LOL. They have a salary and they use microwaves...

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RE: Is it possible for a slave to earn good money? - 10/4/2008 6:10:23 AM   
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