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SrchngCpl73112 -> RE: weight issues (10/8/2008 5:42:35 AM)
Bama i wouldnt mind you emailing me at all. I actually incorporated southbeach when i was more trying to maintain. Atkins is where i really lost the weight. I had to have that structure and when i started trying to eat more carbs, even good ones i would stop losing. It is really a mental thing. I had tried atkins 2 or 3 times, and many other diets, before the last time it actually stuck. I have tried to figure out what the turning point in my mind was but i cant pinpoint it. It was just time i guess. I was actually ready to do it mentally. WW works for alot of people but for me it wasnt what i needed. I needed to be able to eat. I felt like with atkins i could eat. I didnt have to feel hungry. The first 2 wks is killer though. But once you get past that it is smooth sailing. When your body goes into ketosis your hunger goes away and the cravings stop. Ketosis is one thing atkins talks about alot. On southbeach you dont really get there because you are eating carbs. Even though they are good carbs. Ketosis for me is what really helped. There is a great support website for lowcarbers that gives tons of information and has message boards with great people who are on all different kinds of low carb plans. www.lowcarbfriends.com It is an awesome site. They have info on Atkins, Southbeach, the Zone and many more. They have tons of great recipes for the induction phase of Atkins as well as maintainance. It was a great help to me. It does make a huge difference to have people in your life that are supportive and not trying to sabotage you at every turn. Even unconsciously. C-mail me anytime if you have questions or if you just need a kick in the butt. I have been called the lowcarb nazi...lol

sambamanslilgirl -> RE: weight issues (10/8/2008 6:06:27 AM)
nope - if i want to go on a diet, then i'm doing it for myself and NOT for Daddy. it would be my personal goal to make me feel good. that's the difference. loosing weight for someone else wouldn't help me because it would send a message that he doesn't appreciate/love the woman in this body size.

tsatske -> RE: weight issues (10/8/2008 6:15:43 AM)
Sambamans lil girl, Thank you for phrasing that in a way that had to do with you, and what worked for you, instead of 'this is what everyone should do.' You are right. You must lose weight for reasons that feel good to you. trying to lose weight for 'reasons' that feed you bad messages is going to have a very reverse effect, for most people. Well, esp. women. Sometimes men respond to giving themselves self talk that women would find downtrodding - they find it upbeat. That is why those same men sometimes get confused about what is a good message to send to the woman they love. It's not what most of them say, that's for sure. :)

RCdc -> RE: weight issues (10/8/2008 6:59:55 AM)
Hello tsatske and big smooches to you. I am going to repeat again what I said - which is I don't support weight watchers as a dieting programme. But I do encourage healthy eating. The op was specific on weight loss and diet methods. My point was to not wrap yourself up in a diet programme and then expect it to stay off. That weight control is based on healthy eating and exercise even when you meet your target weight. It's proably different in the states to here - and I only just thought of that.(Duh) Here, you can be refered to a nutritionist and because of our beloved NHS its all cool - unlike in the states probably where I assume you have to pay off your insurance? It's a cheaper option here to see a doctor refered nutritionist than it is to pay for weight watchers. quote: Winchymes What's the difference if they receive their eating plan from WW or a nutritionist? Why advise them NOT to attend a program that has such a large following and good track record??? I did not say weight watchers is bad. I did NOT ADVISE THEM TO NOT ATTEND A PROGRAM AT ALL. It's just more cost effective in the UK to attend the nutritionst from doctors referal. I tend to forget sometimes that people have it totally different over the pond. I just didnt put it clearly as I re read it again. the.dark.

sambamanslilgirl -> RE: weight issues (10/8/2008 7:01:04 AM)
also to add - i'm currently on a "diet" to change my bad eating habits which accommodates my busy rock star life. my goal isn't really to loose weight but to stay healthy. so far - so good, i've lost a couple of inches around my waist. Daddy's great with advice and likes the fact i'm not out to shed pounds fast but doing it slowly and naturally.

tsatske -> RE: weight issues (10/8/2008 7:12:31 AM)
Darcy, the insurance you mention makes a difference. Most private insurances, here, will pay for a nutritionist only for a specific health problem (which for some reason morbid obesity is not one of - ??? - how crazy is that) - and then will genrally pay for one or two visits. The nutritionist will give you some pamplets and discuss the dietary needs of your condition with you. Diabetics have it better, we get to go see 'diabetic educators' as well, so that gets us some extra visits. But rather WW or a nutritionist or a diet coach or what have you, yes, in the states, it is going to be out of pocket. By that measure, WW is cheap, at $10 a week. however, i just approve of the WW program in the same way I approve of AA, almost - it really works. If it were free, I would be talking it up just as much. My experience with OA was not as positive. WW meetings are what I WISH OA was, and they work. at OA, everyone seems to be - well, still fat. And, they assure you, it's about running a good program and growing spirtually, it's not about weight loss anyway. That's why i do WW instead. I run a good program already, in AA, and i am as spirtually (and spherically) grown as i need to be, again, i get that in AA. What i want now, however unimportant you (you being the OA member giving me the 'what's important' schtick, not YOU) think it is, is to lose weight. I am going to die of Morbid Obesity if I do not lose weight. To stand there with some still bigger than me after "3 wonderful years in the program" OA member telling me the weight loss is not the important thing, seems to me like an AA member saying not drinking isn't important, just so you are running a good program and growing... So i guess the reason WW works for me, is it feels natural. Like i said, it is what I wanted OA to be. (except that it does have a fee, of course)

SrchngCpl73112 -> RE: weight issues (10/8/2008 9:16:58 AM)
I also agree that really it has to start with yourself. It is great to have the support of your Dom but really you have to do it for you. When i was trying to do it for everyone else i always seemed to fail. From what i can tell this is something u really do want for yourself and he is just being supportive in that. That is the way it should be. Start with yourself first then the support is next. And something else, dont look at is as u are dieting. People tend to fail more often when their mindset is dieting because that is short term. Think of it as a way of life and eating change. That is where i finally had to get in my mind. I was not dieting, I was changing my way of life. Now that i am maintaining i know i will never be able to eat the way i did before. This is my life now. It is so worth it to me to not eat the bad foods when i look in the mirror. Those times i do get tempted all i have to do it look in the mirror or go and pull out one of my old pictures. That will do the trick every time...lol When i was working i kept an old pic of myself on my bookshelf in my office to look at everyday as a reminder, not that i really needed it anymore but i still knew it was there if i happen to have temptation come my way. It was also a great way to show off my weightloss!!!! LOL

newone11 -> RE: weight issues (10/8/2008 3:32:23 PM)
http://caloriecount.about.com/ CalorieCount via About.com has some useful tools including a weight tracker, message boards, food journal, etc. And it's FREE!

windchymes -> RE: weight issues (10/8/2008 3:52:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark Hello tsatske and big smooches to you. I am going to repeat again what I said - which is I don't support weight watchers as a dieting programme. But I do encourage healthy eating. The op was specific on weight loss and diet methods. My point was to not wrap yourself up in a diet programme and then expect it to stay off. That weight control is based on healthy eating and exercise even when you meet your target weight. It's proably different in the states to here - and I only just thought of that.(Duh) Here, you can be refered to a nutritionist and because of our beloved NHS its all cool - unlike in the states probably where I assume you have to pay off your insurance? It's a cheaper option here to see a doctor refered nutritionist than it is to pay for weight watchers. quote: Winchymes What's the difference if they receive their eating plan from WW or a nutritionist? Why advise them NOT to attend a program that has such a large following and good track record??? I did not say weight watchers is bad. I did NOT ADVISE THEM TO NOT ATTEND A PROGRAM AT ALL. It's just more cost effective in the UK to attend the nutritionst from doctors referal. I tend to forget sometimes that people have it totally different over the pond. I just didnt put it clearly as I re read it again. I was just going by this statement that you made towards the beginning of this thread that sounded to me like you were advising against going to WW: I would skip weight watchers and learn to eat properly and start exercising or take up some form of exercise. And then later on you made this inaccurate statement: The point I was making is not to look to ww as a long term thing. It isn't. It's a teaching tool and nothing different to healthy eating. Because, as anyone who has actually attended WW knows, it is very much encouraged to be a long-term, if not a lifetime thing. It's one of the basic concepts they teach there. I apologize if I misunderstood any of your statements, but I did want to clarify things so that someone who might benefit from Weight Watchers isn't discouraged from going. I mean....some of your own royalty is or was one of their spokespersons. [:)]

windchymes -> RE: weight issues (10/8/2008 4:13:06 PM)
tsatske, you made some really good points.....I wanted to add that, at least in the US, there are many employers who offer at-work WW meetings, and some will even reimburse you for your fees when you make your goal weight. Weight Watchers isn't some gimmicky "tool" or fly-by-night program. They teach people who want and need to be taught how to live as normal a life as possible by eating as normally as possible. Their goal isn't for you to lose massive amounts of weight in a short time by crash dieting and then turn you loose only to gain it all back again. They teach healthy and sensible eating while still having treats and celebrations and even having pizza and ice cream with your kids. Just don't have sausage on the pizza because it's very high fat, limit yourself to one or two slices, and either have some kind of fat-free or low fat ice cream, or, save up your "credits" and have a scoop of real ice cream. A trick I still do is, rather than dump salad dressing all over my salad, I have it on the side, then dip the tines of the fork in the dressing first, then spear the lettuce. You get great dressing taste but you only eat a tiny portion of the dressing, saving lots of calories and/or fat grams, whatever you're counting. You can make a great fruit dip out of a half-cup of non-fat plain yogurt (yuk) by adding vanilla extract and packets of artificial sweetener to taste. Make it as sweet as you want. It's delicious, satisfies your sweet craving, and it's totally guilt-free. Apple slices are wonderful dipped in it. You can flavor it with cinnamon & nutmeg, too, for a different taste. I haven't tried it, but you could probably put powdered baking cocoa in it for chocolate dip, too. That's the kind of stuff I learned at Weight Watchers. It was fun! Besides, it's the only place where you will get a round of applause for losing "only" a 1/2 pound in a week. But hey....that's two sticks of butter!

Duckiemine -> RE: weight issues (10/8/2008 4:52:06 PM)
Hello all, I happen to know silk and have met her Master...yall are getting it wrong when you say "lose weight for yourself and not him!" because thats exactly why shes doing it... she said she was unhappy and endevoring to change it so she could be happy, and has support of her dominant half. But onward and upward. I'm a proud fat kid and probally always will be, but I have been endevoring through the past few weeks to figure out how I can be more healthy, and although I have been on weight watchers before in the past and it really didn't work of me... it did work for family members... I also at the moment don't have a dominant that I call my own to support me, but I do have my friends... and any support is better than none...although I can see how the support of a dominant would be a bit more conductive to the reaching of goals...

LilWicked88 -> RE: weight issues (10/8/2008 6:26:22 PM)
i personally havn't done the whole weight watchers thing but i have been on a rather strict diet lately. my Dom enjoys all my curvey glory (lol) but is supportive in my effort to become healthier. mostly it was just a cut back in meal portions and really pushing water and only drinking a diet soda once in a while...in the last 3 months i've lost 20 lbs and feel so much better

bamabbwsub -> RE: weight issues (10/8/2008 6:41:59 PM)
quote: I've been following the South Beach eating plan for almost 5 years now, feel free to email me. I follow it as much for my health as for weight loss because the way it works is by keeping your blood sugar levels even thoughout the day which helps prevent diabetes and heart disease. BTW South Beach is not low carb, you eat plenty of "good carbs". Even though I'm a BBW, I'm quite comfortable with my weight and the way I look. I'm trying the SBD upon my doctor's recommendation, not so much to lose weight as to see if my extreme fatigue is due in part to my sugar/carb intake. quote: Bama i wouldnt mind you emailing me at all. Thanks a lot to both of you! I will definitely c-mail you after I re-read the SBD book and start on the plan (next week, after I get back from being out of town). I really appreciate the offers for support (luscious has been a big help also), and I'm starting to get kind of excited about starting the plan, now that I have some people to help me through it! And Srchng, thanks so much for the link -- the site looks awesome!

proudsub -> RE: weight issues (10/8/2008 10:06:47 PM)
quote: I'm starting to get kind of excited about starting the plan, now that I have some people to help me through it! Bama-i belong to a SB support group on aol and can give you the link if you want, everyone there is very nice and supportive. We also share a lot of recipes many of which i have saved and can send to you.

wichchilde -> RE: weight issues (10/10/2008 1:00:16 AM)
What worked for me was cutting back on the pop, the coffee, and smaller portions of food. If i have to snack it is rice cakes or something that is good for me, not candy or cakes, and i found vitiamins too that help me. The biggest thing was know why i was doing it. Was it for my Dom or me? The answer was that it was for me morso then Him, but i wanted Him to be proud too. i have lost 8 pounds in the last 30 days. Green tea helps too, by the by, as does drinking lots of water. witchy

Belladonna30 -> RE: weight issues (10/10/2008 3:04:51 AM)
Hi A/all, I think this is a great idea, I need a "diet" buddy desparetly. I gained weight with my Dom since he is a bigger guy and loves good food. I also quit smoking and went on birth control. I am now off birth control and have been smoke free for almost 2 years. I am ready to get back into the "diet" mode. I used Medifast in the past to drop 40 pounds and had I not quit smoking I would have stayed with it, but I fell off the wagon 2 years ago. I just need a motivator now and than. My Dom is no help as he likes me the way I am, but he knows I am unhappy and although he will always support me in what I do, he still eats the way he likes and it is hard for me to follow through. If hes eating a cheeseburger, I am going to want it too, lol. Hard to eat prepacked bland food when you watch someone chowing down on something yummy. I love Medifast though, because it works like a dream and if you can stick with it, it is worth the suffering. Mantra: Nothing tastes as good as skinny feels... If anyone is looking for someone to blab or cry at wilst dealing with the diet demons, I am ready and willing to chat and keep you going! (I have about 65 pounds to drop) bella

ApathyRomance -> RE: weight issues (10/10/2008 5:36:17 AM)
Heroin works well.

barelynangel -> RE: weight issues (10/10/2008 5:57:10 AM)
Hi all, I do well on Atkins but the hardest part for me was the "FRESH" eating in otherwords, its not a convenient type plan but is more beneficial when you cook over the weekend so you have grab and go. What i LOVE about atkins is that there is usually a substitute for ANYTHING you are craving lol. There are turnip french fries, mock danishes, zuchinni lasagna etc. YES there are many women in slave relationships who are trying to lose weight or become in shape and healthy. I started a yahoo group for some of the girls on the Gorean slave's thread wherein we can talk about such things of being a slave on a diet plan or getting healthy plan that also incorporated the life we live. Some as owned slaves, some simply recognizing slave. But i don't know of any groups or message boards that focus on same. I love message boards for support, if you are willing to be honest and accountable, there are many many support groups online for many type of different plans, for example what i know is low carb, there are many low carb or atkins or SB message boards where people help you understand the plan as you read the books or answer your questions or just lend a ear on those days or clap and cheer when you have a success AND THE RECIPES lol tried and true by members are amazing. I have a 3 inch notebook of low carb recipes lol from them. Good luck, but yes there are women in slave relationships who struggle and try to lose weight, get in shape, or just become and stay healthy. I am currently working with beachbody with P90, Turbo Jam and 10 minute trainer incorporated into my routines. The message board has this awesome thing called WOWY -- wherein you log in when you work out and see others who are working out atthe same time and its like a group thing. Really cool. angel

RCdc -> RE: weight issues (10/10/2008 6:15:36 AM)
It's all cool - if you hadn't said anything, I wouldn't know how what I said looked or thought about the difference of medical costs. And just for info - I have attended ww classes before.[;)] the.dark.

beltainefaerie -> RE: weight issues (10/10/2008 8:20:37 AM)
I use WW when I am trying to lose weight. I'm about to start again using the guidelines for nursing mothers, though I already weigh less than I did when I got pregnant. Master doesn't care what I weigh and neither does my husband or any of my partners, but they do want me to be healthy. When Master discovered that I actually like to exercise, but always felt guilty that I wasn't cleaning or cooking or grading (basically doing things for other people), he ordered me to take time to exercise at least an hour 3x per week. I did super well with this for over a year and only had to stop due to complications during pregnancy, but I am excited to start again. It really helps to have someone involved in the process with you and even more so when it is your dom. Best of luck!

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