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The people who write and enforce the laws read these bo... - 12/6/2005 7:22:06 AM   
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Reading the threads about the recent rash of raids got me to thinking that the people who write and enforce those laws sit at their desks (with their hard ons discreetly obscured from the view of their co workers) and peruse message boards just like this one looking for their next target. So.....since we have their captive attention.....why not tell them how we feel?

I personally think that they should go home and kiss their domineering wife's ass in the hope's that she may take pity on them and allow them a few moments of puritanical, missionary style sex (in the dark of course) to relieve the throbbing generated by spending 8 hours a day being tittilated in the name of justice. When they are done they should thank God that they live in a country that gives them the freedom to do so......regardless of how wrong and sick people like me think that type of interaction is.

How about you?

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RE: The people who write and enforce the laws read thes... - 12/6/2005 7:36:58 AM   
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I love missionary sex.

People enforcing the law are doing their jobs. Yes I think most of the sex laws and such are wrong and unjust and stupid. But we have activist groups and such to do that and each of us can do what we want in our own communities to make a difference.

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RE: The people who write and enforce the laws read thes... - 12/6/2005 7:48:08 AM   
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How would you like to do their job? Think about this......... They may not agree with the laws; in fact they may be just as pro lifestyle as you and I but they are charged with doing a job and following the rules just like you are at your job. So they plod along doing their best to enforce laws that they feel are stupid and useless too but, since they work for a 'government' they are not allowed to be 'activists' and speak their mind. As government employees they are not allowed an opinion; at least they are not allowed (by law) to actively voice their opinion. So next time you're at work and think one of the boss' rules is stupid or useless remember those government employees who deal with that every day.

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RE: The people who write and enforce the laws read thes... - 12/6/2005 7:57:56 AM   
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Did you read the other thread? Did you click the link? Are you trying to say that those officers who raided her home were just doing their jobs when they stood before her....berating and humiliating her? Is that what our taxes are paying government employees to do?

I'm sorry....but there is no paycheck big enough to get me to be loyal to an employer who asked me to do something that I feel is morally wrong.

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RE: The people who write and enforce the laws read thes... - 12/6/2005 8:00:44 AM   
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quote:

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those officers who raided her home were just doing their jobs when they stood before her....berating and humiliating her?


just ponder this thought.... those officers could be the next HNG to knock in your mail box.

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RE: The people who write and enforce the laws read thes... - 12/6/2005 8:06:26 AM   
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quote:

just ponder this thought.... those officers could be the next HNG to knock in your mail box.


and the fear of that should get me to be a good little girl and sit quietly in my closet?

guess I'm just an odd duck.......

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RE: The people who write and enforce the laws read thes... - 12/6/2005 8:07:22 AM   
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There has to be some truth to this. I logged in one morning a couple of months ago and unlike other normal mornings that showed about 100 or so users with the usual 40 or 50 regulars here there were about two thousand users on...all were viewing as guest. Someone somewhere must have been discussing something and they all came over to see. Who knows...a religious group? government agency? just a random group? coincidence? By the end of the morning they were all gone. Got me thinking though.

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RE: The people who write and enforce the laws read thes... - 12/6/2005 8:26:58 AM   
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Well, there is a reason that I keep the keyboard on my lap in the office.

Seriously (grin) though, censorship issues are driven by politicians playing to fundamental worries and fundamentalists of every persuasion. Last month Senator Sam Brownback of Kansas had a hearing over the dangers of internet pornography. Sen. Brownback is married to a zillionaire newspaper heiress, by the way.

I’m sure she whips him every night and is worried that he and other guys can find sexual stimulation on the net. She ordered him to have these hearings, don’t you think?

I think another poster on here put something up about the Brigham Young sociologist, at the same hearings, who said pornography changes the chemistry of your brain.
Another speaker at the hearings, Pamela Paul, explained that men used the internet to have cyber sex instead of having it with their wives. That is playing to the fear of anything but missionary position sex in a traditional monogamous married setting. You think I’m making this up? Here is her quote.

Paul said, "If they go to their wives, well, just practically speaking, they have to make sure they have done all the chores around the house they were supposed to do. They need to have a half-hour conversation about what they did that day."

Polemics. (This is not a reference to male sexual organs either.)


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RE: The people who write and enforce the laws read thes... - 12/6/2005 9:22:19 AM   
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RE: The people who write and enforce the laws read thes... - 12/6/2005 9:50:53 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aileen68

There has to be some truth to this. I logged in one morning a couple of months ago and unlike other normal mornings that showed about 100 or so users with the usual 40 or 50 regulars here there were about two thousand users on...all were viewing as guest. Someone somewhere must have been discussing something and they all came over to see. Who knows...a religious group? government agency? just a random group? coincidence? By the end of the morning they were all gone. Got me thinking though.





Wow, that really makes one think! I do know that some local vice units here patrol the 'net via the escort reviews! And specifically one or two ProDommes over the years who have publically advertised and promoted being an Escort as well as a Dominatrix have been busted. Yep, they troll the 'net, that's for sure.

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RE: The people who write and enforce the laws read thes... - 12/6/2005 10:00:39 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mistoferin

Reading the threads about the recent rash of raids got me to thinking that the people who write and enforce those laws sit at their desks (with their hard ons discreetly obscured from the view of their co workers) and peruse message boards just like this one looking for their next target. So.....since we have their captive attention.....why not tell them how we feel?


Here's a great idea. So let me just tell them...

Up yours! If you don't agree with the laws you must enforce then quit your job and join us. If you think you have the right to tell me how to live my life then read the Constitution. If you think I belong on a sex offender list then look for my criminal record, it's an empty folder. If you think I'm immoral then ask my friends about my moral compass. I'm sure I'm not perfect in God's eyes but I know I practice my faith far more diligently than MANY of you who preach it, HYPOCRITES!!!!

Thank you. Now please drive through...

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RE: The people who write and enforce the laws read thes... - 12/6/2005 10:18:58 AM   
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quote:

Here's a great idea. So let me just tell them...

Up yours! If you don't agree with the laws you must enforce then quit your job and join us. If you think you have the right to tell me how to live my life then read the Constitution. If you think I belong on a sex offender list then look for my criminal record, it's an empty folder. If you think I'm immoral then ask my friends about my moral compass. I'm sure I'm not perfect in God's eyes but I know I practice my faith far more diligently than MANY of you who preach it, HYPOCRITES!!!!

Thank you. Now please drive through...


Now THAT'S what I'm talking about......how many ways can we say "Get out of my bedroom!"?

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RE: The people who write and enforce the laws read thes... - 12/6/2005 10:20:23 AM   
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A dear friend was set up and arrested by someone that passed her screening process, online, and in person. The officers took great pleasure in frisking her, in as suggestive a way as possible.

It could be ANY of us. Lucky Albatross has it right----find your local activist groups, and support them.

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RE: The people who write and enforce the laws read thes... - 12/6/2005 10:37:21 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: OscarHargraves

How would you like to do their job? Think about this......... They may not agree with the laws; in fact they may be just as pro lifestyle as you and I but they are charged with doing a job and following the rules just like you are at your job.


Yup, they are "just following orders."

Heard that one before.

It's an excuse, how good it is depends on how much harm is being caused. I wonder if the cops in the OP were "ordered" to humiliate the citizens.



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RE: The people who write and enforce the laws read thes... - 12/6/2005 11:41:30 AM   
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There was a video, called "Out of the Darkness (The Reality of S & M)" made to educate the law enforcement and other authorities about BDSM in 2001 and shown at the 2nd annual S/M film Festival in NYC. http://www.tes.org/events/filmfest/2001/

The film has some problems -- its just a bunch of talking heads and can be boring -- but I think it shows a great way to reach out to those who have to answer calls about domestic violence and possible crimes. I bought a copy that I've let professors at IUB copy for their human sexual classes but I don't know how to get a copy today.

Honestly, would you want the police to not investigate? What if you really needed them and they weren't required to go when someone called for help or to report a possible crime?

Yes, the police should treat people with respect when they can and given the situation you mention later they should have been more respectful of that woman (who also should not have let them in since they did not show her a search warrent). I wonder if she can sue them in return for their behavior?



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RE: The people who write and enforce the laws read thes... - 12/6/2005 4:36:24 PM   
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When I had my studio in NY I had a few cops on my mailing list. I knew they were there, they knew I knew. Once they'd been to my place and made sure that I wasn't doing something illegal (like serving alcohol w/o a license, selling sex, serving food w/o license, etc.) they were pretty kewl. I'd see them at the local watering hole, they usually waved if they saw me on the street. They knew who I was and I was glad for it. Unbeknownst to me at the time I leased the place, the previous tenants were raided and closed for running a whore house. I'm talking vacant, no furniture, throw rugs for mattresses on the floor in the corners whore house. I swear to you, for 3 months I would go answer the door and some latin stereotype would try to push his way in assuming that services were still available. At first I patiently explained that this wasnt that business anymore (to those that understood english - my spanish is atrocious). After about 3 months I noticed that some of these were the same guys coming back. So I started hanging out the upstairs window screaming "NO BLOWS JOBS!!! THIS ISNT A WHORE HOUSE ANYMORE" as loud as I could when they would come knocking. That pretty much took care of that problem.

...but I digress.

Shortly after I'd established a relationship with the local business community (and the cops) I put out a notice on my email list that I was having a party. I got a phone call about two hours later telling me I should tell my guests to park on the right side of the street so they wouldn't get tickets (and I always included that statement at the end of all my announcements thereafter). The cops would step up their patrols if they knew I had something going on. Since I was at the end of a somewhat dark dead end street in an industrial area I was grateful for their presence. None of my guests ever complained of ill treatment, although they did notice the patrols. None of my guests ever had their cars vandalized, either.

They (the local police) were always quite professional and friendly with me but it was a very small burg in Westchester County. They made sure to let me know they'd looked it up and made sure no laws were being broken before they got friendly with me, too. I was happy to be friendly with them and didn't mind that it gave them more insight into me and my practice. In short, I had no secrets and wasnt defensive or aggressive. I think that had a lot to do with how well it went. I also got lucky. They were, by and large, good guys trying to do the right thing. Trust me when I tell you that has not always been the norm in my dealings with governmental authority. I also had a business license and was at the end of a dead end street in an industrial area that had a few (2) residences on the block. Zoning couldn't have been a issue (one of the reasons I picked the place).

This was in pre 9/11-bush America. It's a different world today, isn't it?

I can't speak to what I think about people who surf the net looking for predators or the next notch in the climb to detective status. I don't live in their skin or understand what motivates them so I don't have enough information to make a judgement. I know they're there. Anonymity on the net, in general, is a fallacy and illusion.

Life is full of stumbling blocks. Well meaning but under informed politians jumping on a bandwagon to outlaw female genitorture without understanding that for many piercings are WANTED; and in the process trampling across an entire segment of the population's personal choice prerogatives. This is one of TONS AND TONS of examples.

I see no reason why a stumbling block thrown by someone with 'evil' motives should be handled any differently than a stumbling block created by someone 'well meaning.' In fact, it's quite possible to see it as all the same. It's still a hurdle to over come.



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RE: The people who write and enforce the laws read thes... - 12/6/2005 5:26:47 PM   
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I've read most of the comments to this thread and think there is something we are all forgetting. I live in Colorado and a few years ago we had one of our BDSM clubs in Denver get infiltrated by the police and soon thereafter shut down. The aftermath brought many from the scene to the surface to stand their ground and defend the scene, and ultimately most went underground for some time. Why did all this occur? The club was shut down cause someone called the police and told them that there was a S/M dungeon in town that was allowing anyone to come in and engage in S/M activities and have sex on premesis for a small fee. Was it true, no...but that didn't matter. What the press and police couldn't do to our BDSM community on their own, our own more verbal members did with their attempts to bring us out of the closet and gain acceptance. All it really did was give local press and law enforcement more reason to continue the crusade to get rid of us all. Not one word of acceptance was heard, only twisted into showing how many more sick deviants were running around in our community. Why did most of us wind up going underground? Because everyone outside the BDSM community were quite eager to have us identified and our lives ruined anyway they could....eager to ensure there would not be any BDSM clubs or organizations in the greater Denver area if we gave them any reason to believe there were more of them out there.

Why did all this crazy witch hunt crap go on in a city were the BDSM scene has flurished for many years with full knowledge of local law enforcement? Simple. We are an extreme minority of society. Sure Gays and Lesbians have won mainstream acceptance, but they didn't go to the vanilla world demanding acceptance to tie each other up and engage in S/M activities. Do they do this? You betcha, as a major percentage of the scene is made up by gays and lesbians. In fact, I would go so far as to say that many of them consider this alternative lifestyle, theirs first, hetrosexual & monogomous BDSM'ers only the recent group to invade this lifestyle. Attend any major BDSM function around the country and observe who holds a leading role in running and attending those events.

Again I will state, they have won mainstream acceptance not because they claimed a BDSM alternative lifestyle, but because they wanted to have same sex relationships. To live lives like any hetrosexual in this country, but in a same sex environment. Guess what....they are just as persecuted for practicing the BDSM lifestyle as the rest of us are.

This country will not now or ever accept behavior which has only recently been removed from the mental illness list. We know our needs and desires are normal and healthy for us, but you can't expect the rest of the world to just up and accept us. If 5% of the population go out and demand acceptance to practice something that 95% of the population consider unhealthy, mentally and emotionally sick, physical abuse, psychological abuse, perverted, and the hunting grounds for preditors, guess who is going to run who out of town on a rail? Think about it......just for a few minutes and althouh I know none of you like it anymore than I do, try to accept the fact that most of us can run out and tell our employers, friends, family, community, law enforcement or the press how we wish to express our lifestyle without being persecuted or likewise being run out of town just as quickly.

All that said, why would any of us be suprised to find those of the vanilla world watching our every move for an opportunity to strike out and do us harm. Aren't there just as many of us eager to show why we should be accepted as their are them trying to prove we should not be? I suggest we simply keep this knowledge in mind as we talk in these semi-public forums. Always consider the words you speak and who they may affect. (Not that I'm suggesting anyone is doing that here.) Outing our friends and local groups in the scene is not something we have a right to do. I think its smart to notice things like the vanilla's observing us sometimes a bit too closely, but keep it in perspective and understand this is how it is in our world.....and will be for the forseeable future.

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RE: The people who write and enforce the laws read thes... - 12/6/2005 5:40:15 PM   
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This country will not now or ever accept behavior which has only recently been removed from the mental illness list.

I disagree with the "or ever" part. I think at this point it will take a few more generations, but it will happen.

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Aren't there just as many of us eager to show why we should be accepted as their are them trying to prove we should not be?

I agree. This is why even if *I* am extremely comfortable being out in most social situations, some of the groups I am a part of (non kink ones) I do not openly discuss my kink stuff because my partners are there and THEY should not be outed by anyone but themselves.


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RE: The people who write and enforce the laws read thes... - 12/6/2005 6:11:51 PM   
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quote:

I disagree with the "or ever" part. I think at this point it will take a few more generations, but it will happen.


Okay, I will give you that, but it isn't happening any time soon. Society isn't ready to accept us mainstream just yet.

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I agree. This is why even if *I* am extremely comfortable being out in most social situations, some of the groups I am a part of (non kink ones) I do not openly discuss my kink stuff because my partners are there and THEY should not be outed by anyone but themselves.

Unfortunately some think they are standing alone as they out themselves and their actions have a serious backlash on the rest of the community around them. The rest of the community having no choice in how their lifestyle choices are being publisized even if their names are not being used. I watched it happen in Denver, and watched many sacrifice how they wanted to practice their lifestyle choices, for how they felt they could safely practice it simply because a few became too outspoken and took a bad thing to the level of being a disasterous thing for the community as a whole.

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RE: The people who write and enforce the laws read thes... - 12/7/2005 4:06:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

quote:

just ponder this thought.... those officers could be the next HNG to knock in your mail box.


and the fear of that should get me to be a good little girl and sit quietly in my closet?

guess I'm just an odd duck.......


I didnt add that for the fear factor.......... it's just something some forget when online.


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