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ORIGINAL: corysub

President and don't wait for the "re-write". For example,  the Soviet Unions first assesment of young Jack Kennedy was tht he was naieve, inexperienced and the typical "lets negotiate an honorable defeat" democrat that pushed them to put missiles 90 miles offshore.  They "mischaracterized" his words and his determination and we found ourselves on the brink of an atomic war.  Scary times not to be repeated.


Joe Biden was right when he said the "Presidency is not a place for on the job training".  It would be great if Obama would give any evidence that he has the skill set to actually deliver and execute on the "words" he so elequently delivers.  Sorry, I don't see it... Would love to see that evidence from some of his supporters here. Obviously, Obama is a quick study and has shown a lot of "flexibility" in his stand on issues.  However, the "real world" is not a debat, and the residency is not a job for on the job training!   

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Pakistan might not be another Great Britain, but they have certainly assisted us in the war against terrorists.

Do we have a problem with them, in that they do have a problem with the "bandit area" on their border? Yep.

But, Obama's plan may well turn a reluctant ally into a party to a live fire war - and they have nukes.

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY




Pakistan might not be another Great Britain, but they have certainly assisted us in the war against terrorists.

Do we have a problem with them, in that they do have a problem with the "bandit area" on their border? Yep.

But, Obama's plan may well turn a reluctant ally into a party to a live fire war - and they have nukes.

Yet ... he's willing to sit down with the president of Iran, and the dictator of N. Korea "without precondition"?

There is something basically skewed with this thinking, and I'm not simply trying to "make points" on Obama.

Firm

•U.S. Takes Heat Over Pakistan Border Raids, Pakistan Army Chief ...

•Political Radar: Palin Supports Cross-Border Pakistan Raids

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ORIGINAL: SilverMark

It amazes me that an attack in a ungoverned area of a country harboring terrorists brings such a diatribe of rebuke yet, attacking Iraq and everyone knowing when we would is somehow different and was supported? If we can pin point Bin Laden and the Pakistani's aren't able or willing to take him out We Will.
Nothing was said about an invasion or military conflict with the Government of Pakistan. Go ahead....shoot the Bastard PLEASE!
The Pakistani's will issue statements as to their anger and then go right back to planning the annihilation of India. If anyone is President and they have the opportunity and don't seize it, they should be run out of the White house!

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

They are talking about Obama's plan to invade Pakistan if necessary.

It occurred to me, while I was listening, how turned around things seem to get sometimes ...

McCain is willing to sit down and talk with our allies ... and is willing to attack our enemies.

Obama is willing to sit down and talk with our enemies ... and is willing to attack our allies.

Strange.

Firm

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

~FR~

Obama's actual comment was if Bin Ladin was in our sights and Pakistan either could not or would not go after him, then we would. He never used the word invade. Tom Brokaw used it .. maybe that's where the confusion lies. The only definition of invade that I could find which would fit the OP was 'to move into' since there is no conquest or pillage/plunder involved in going after Bin Laden as far as Pakistan is concerned. 

As far as I can tell, Obama doesn't want to move into Pakistan. He just wants to visit, get Bin Laden then get out. And why on Earth would we be allies with a country that harbors terrorists? That's a direct violation of the Patriot Act passed by both houses and signed into law by our President. And did not our esteemed president declare we would go after the evil doers no matter where on Earth they might hide? Remember 'if you're not with us, you're against us? I thought Bush did an excellent job in the early days after 9/11. Now it's time to finish what we started, get that son-of-a-bitch and be done with it.

Don't get me wrong .. I think diplomacy should be tried with Pakistan and I believe that Obama thinks that as well ... and maybe some new blood in the WH, whether that's McCain or Obama will enable some talks that will lead to a joint venture in capturing the bastard, but if not .. then we have every right (in fact I consider it a responsibility to ensure the safety of future generations) as a sovereign nation, to hunt down and capture or kill the terrorists who are responsible for the destruction and death of 9/11.

~Don't fuck with a menopausal sadist from Texas who owns guns~

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Plausible deniability?...Really Firm,you would want to deny ,and or keep secret, getting Bin Laden.If I had my druthers his body would go on tour and every American who wanted would get a chance to view his rotting corpse.

I recall about 7 years ago a little incident called "9/11".
Who was the mastermind behind 9/11?
Was his name Bin Laden?
Where is Bin Laden these days Firm?
Is he in Iraq?
Do we even care about Bin Laden any more?

I also recall the tactics that led up to our soon to be 8 years long war in Iraq.
mike? Do you recall President Bush sitting down to negotiate prior to bombing Iraq?
Why am I thinking another case of:  pot, kettle, black here?
Hummm, was our President willing to sit and wait and chat with our "friends" in
the UN, prior to going to Iraq?
Or do we have "friends" in the UN?

Can someone explain the negotiations that took place prior to our going over to Iraq?
I mean how long did President Bush sit down and talk prior to going, Firm?

Bush went to the UN, and engaged the UN several times before the Iraq war.

How soon we forget. Especially when it is convenient.

Firm

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You will learn cricket, and we will let you face the South Africans first to take the sting out of their deliveries. -------------------- 13. You must tell us who killed JFK. It's been driving us mad. ----------------- 14. An internal revenue agent (i.e. tax collector) from Her Majesty's Government will be with you shortly to ensure the acquisition of all monies due (backdated to 1776). --------------- 15. Daily Tea Time begins promptly at 4 p.m. with proper cups, with saucers, and never mugs, with high quality biscuits (cookies) and cakes; plus strawberries (with cream) when in season. God Save the Queen!

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God save the Queen!

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ORIGINAL: SilverMark

I don't disagree with you...this sight attributes a reply to things I post based on who's post preceeds mine.
You are correct, there will be many in line for us to shoot Bin Laden is the face of the movment for now I hope
it dosen't take 8 years to get the next one! Just shoot Bin Laden first!

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ORIGINAL: cjan

I'm not sure where to post this, so I thought I'd try here. I found this e-mail in my inbox from the Queen of England this morning. I'm not sure if it is a hoax or not since I haven't been able to stand watching the news for the last coupla weeks and have been sticking to the cartoon channel. Here is the text of the message, it looks official and came with a nice pic of the Queen, but I know it is against the rules to post pics here so I left it out.

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To the citizens of the United States of America from Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II In light of your failure in recent years to nominate competent candidates for President of the USA and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective immediately. (You should look up 'revocation' in the Oxford English Dictionary.) Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchical duties over all states, commonwealths, and territories (except Kansas, which she does not fancy). Your new Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, will appoint a Governor for America without the need for further elections. Congress and the Senate will be disbanded. A questionnaire may be circulated next year to determine whether any of you noticed. To aid in the transition to a British Crown dependency, the following rules are introduced with immediate effect: ----------------------- 1. The letter 'U' will be reinstated in words such as 'colour,' 'favour,' 'labour' and 'neighbour.' Likewise, you will learn to spell 'doughnut' without skipping half the letters, and the suffix '-ize' will be replaced by the suffix '-ise.' Generally, you will be expected to raise your vocabulary to acceptable levels. (look up 'vocabulary'). ------------------------ 2. Using the same twenty-seven words interspersed with filler noises such as ''like' and 'you know' is an unacceptable and inefficient form of communication. There is no such thing as U.S. English. We will let Microsoft know on your behalf. The Microsoft spell-checker will be adjusted to take into account the reinstated let ter 'u'' and the elimination of '-ize.' ------------------- 3. July 4th will no longer be celebrated as a holiday. ----------------- 4. You will learn to resolve personal issues without using guns, lawyers, or therapists. The fact that you need so many lawyers and therapists shows that you're not quite ready to be independent. Guns should only be used for shooting grouse. If you can't sort things out without suing someone or speaking to a therapist,then you're not ready to shoot grouse. ---------------------- 5. Therefore, you will no longer be allowed to own or carry anything more dangerous than a vegetable peeler. Although a permit will be required if you wish to carry a vegetable peeler in public. ---------------------- 6. All intersections will be replaced with roundabouts, and you will start driving on the left side with immediate effect. At the same time, you will go metric with immediate effect and without the benefit of conversion tables. Both roundabouts and metrication will help you understand the British sense of humour. -------------------- 7. The former USA will adopt UK prices on petrol (which you have been calling gasoline) of roughly $10/US gallon. Get used to it. ------------------- 8. You will learn to make real chips. Those things you callFrench fries are not real chips, and those things you insist on calling potato chips are properly called crisps. Real chips are thick cut, fried in animal fat, and dressed not with catsup but with vinegar. ------------------- 9. The cold, tasteless stuff you insist on calling beer is not actually beer at all. Henceforth, only proper British Bitter will be referred to as beer, and European brews of known and accepted provenance will be referred to as Lager. South African beer is also acceptable, as they are pound for pound the greatest sporting nation on earth and it can only be due to the beer. They are also part of the British Commonwealth - see what it did for them. American brands will be referred to as Near-Frozen Gnat's Urine, so that all can be sold without risk of further confusion. --------------------- 10. Hollywood will be required occasionally to cast English actors as good guys. Hollywood will also be required to cast English actors to play English characters. Watching Andie Macdowell attempt English dialogue in Four Weddings and a Funeral was an experience akin to having one's ears removed with a cheese grater. --------------------- 11. You will cease playing American football. There is only one kind of proper football; you call it soccer. Those of you brave enough will, in time, be allowed to play rugby (which has some similarities to American football, but does not involve stopping for a rest every twenty seconds or wearing full kevlar body armour like a bunch of nancies). --------------------- 12. Further, you will stop playing baseball. It is not reasonable to host an event called the World Series for a game which is not played outside of America. Since only 2.1% of you are aware there is a world beyond your borders, your error is understandable. You will learn cricket, and we will let you face the South Africans first to take the sting out of their deliveries. -------------------- 13. You must tell us who killed JFK. It's been driving us mad. ----------------- 14. An internal revenue agent (i.e. tax collector) from Her Majesty's Government will be with you shortly to ensure the acquisition of all monies due (backdated to 1776). --------------- 15. Daily Tea Time begins promptly at 4 p.m. with proper cups, with saucers, and never mugs, with high quality biscuits (cookies) and cakes; plus strawberries (with cream) when in season. God Save the Queen!