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Mixing Vanilla & BDSM - 12/6/2005 9:57:37 PM   
truesub4u


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I've looked, and could not find another post on this. So I decided to have a go at this. When someone decides they are ment to live in a BDSM life style, does the vanilla lifestlye have to stop all together? I'm not talking about the everyday hussle and bussle of family, work. But as a sub or slave. To have to hide things from family, co-workers, how does one deal with having to remain a certain way in front of one set or people. And another in front of the other?

Although I know it would be nice to stand up and yell.. this is me.. accept me as I am..... or leave me the hell alone! We can't always do this. I know I can't be the only one out there, trying to live a double life. One life for my family, (and i don't just mean unmentionables either, i mean siblings, parents, uncles, aunts, all the family) the other life for myself.

And if we do decide to live the total life of BDSM... no matter what it means to who. Does everything we once had, have, disappear? I see some on here talking about meeting someone, loving them, starting a life with them. But do we stop going out with our friends? Having tailgate parties at Super Bowl time. Going camping, movies, sitting at home snuggled on the couch watching a comedy, playing cards. Or do we throw it all away, and only do what the "Head of House" wants, each and every time? Are we not allowed to no longer mingle with the vanilla folks in our lives, or meet new ones? Because they may or may not approve of our lifestyles, because we are told never to hide and be ashamed?

I don't want to hide.. I don't want to be ashamed... But juggling the two are becoming a growing problem, now that i have found myself slowly entering back into the lifestyle.

I guess my main question is... how do others deal with these thoughts, and or problems?
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RE: Mixing Vanilla & BDSM - 12/6/2005 10:12:33 PM   
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The reality is that vanilla world. I am currenly hiding this from my family till i am really certain about it. However due to the job market i want to join, I will personally have to keep it on the down low while at work. I mean their are a lot of parents won't what their unmintionables to be tought by someone in this lifestyle. As much being able to lock ourselves in a community of people only in lifestyle, might be good as far as acceptence goes, it do think it could also bring on the fear of a "cult". I was watchign CNN one night their was a lady talking about a mormen cult, that she was part of and got out of and was blaming the whole thign on polygamy. I know some mormens and this was just an extreamest group. Reality we can never leave the vanilla world behind, nomatter how much one might want to, or try to.

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RE: Mixing Vanilla & BDSM - 12/6/2005 10:27:07 PM   
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It's no ones damn business how pet and I conduct ourselves. If ppl just have to know I simply give the answer "I in a loving and respecting relationship with my girl friend who I keep in line with a firm hand." That's what I tell my family and the vanilla people that I'm associated with. That's more than enough for anyone to know unless they know we are into BDSM and would like to ask questions and or see how it works for our relationship.

As to other thoughts, pet and I are still normal people. A D/s relationship is another relationship that just happens to work best for us. We have many vanilla interest. We dress normal if not professional when going out, we have the average christmas decorated apt with lights, a tree, and stockings over the chemney. We keep our BDSM toys and tools in a container that slides under the bed. We also enjoy going out for drinks, movies, and general fun.

Yes pet and I live a 24/7 D/s relationship but that dosen't mean everything we do has to be perverted and or sexualy oriented. It just means I put a firm hand on her when she begins to misconduct herself with bratty behavior.

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RE: Mixing Vanilla & BDSM - 12/6/2005 10:33:38 PM   
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I don't know it's an interesting question because I never really thought about it. There's nothing for me to "come out" about. I wouldn't tell my mother what my favorite sex toy is, or my favorite position, the best sex I've ever had...I guess it depends on the type of relationship. As a gay person I've already come out of the closet once and I don't think my parents care what my relationship is like behind closed doors. Besides we all have our kinks. "Vanilla" people have them too and it's not something people need to share. It is different with poly though obviously, but thats one of my limits so I don't know what it would be like to tell a family about that. I know mine would intervene without hesitating so it wouldn't be easy I'm sure.

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RE: Mixing Vanilla & BDSM - 12/7/2005 12:04:50 AM   
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You needn't say anything to anyone, your family already knows you're submissive in character, and they'll know you will naturally seek a Dominant partner. That'll be accepted. As for work, it's none of their business, unless your lifestyle impinges on it in some way, and I can think of several. You can live a vanilla life, and live the bdsm lifestyle in private. It's really no-one else's business what you do, unless you invite them in. Set parameters with your Dom/Master, Y/your lifestyle can incorporate both vanilla, and bdsm nicely, just simplify, well actually, that's His job, isn't it.

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RE: Mixing Vanilla & BDSM - 12/7/2005 12:20:36 AM   
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I'm a very private and discrete type. Now when I do find a sub for 24/7 does that mean our lifestyle dynamic ends the second we leave the house? No, I expect her to still be submissive. I don't expect her to maybe be as openly submissive...maybe wrong choice of words but they are the closest that come to mind at the moment. I don't expect sir or master. Basicly while she is still my submissive I don't expect anything that calls attention. If someone asks I won't lie, maybe not go into the juicy details but I will explain and beyond that if you have a problem you can sit on it and rotate.

I just don't feel the need to shout it to the world because it is a largly vanilla one and I can understand and respect that. But at the same time I don't hide it, I simply don't shout it.

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RE: Mixing Vanilla & BDSM - 12/7/2005 5:17:32 AM   
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My business is my business. I've found the more people know about my business the more they have to talk about, especially at work.

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RE: Mixing Vanilla & BDSM - 12/7/2005 6:01:48 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: truesub4u
I don't want to hide.. I don't want to be ashamed... But juggling the two are becoming a growing problem, now that i have found myself slowly entering back into the lifestyle.

I guess my main question is... how do others deal with these thoughts, and or problems?

For me it is by remembering that who I AM is not dependent on some series of ACTS.

How blatantly out you are depends on yourself. Yes, sometimes it's awkward and annoying and I don't like it. I don't get to talk about my partners as easily as my co-workers can talk about theirs.

But, in day to day life generally, I simply am who I am. I'm still a slave whether I'm kneeling in chains or getting my oil changed in the car.

Over time you find an equilibrium that works best for you.

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RE: Mixing Vanilla & BDSM - 12/7/2005 6:03:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterFerdinand
You needn't say anything to anyone, your family already knows you're submissive in character,

Many submissives and slaves have dominant characters/personalities.

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RE: Mixing Vanilla & BDSM - 12/7/2005 6:11:13 AM   
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For me, I have to have the balance of both worlds....or forget that comment...there are not TWO worlds, there are just the choices that I make in MY world, and some of those choices involve D/s activities. Maybe therein lies how we set ourselves (including myself) up to worry about the blending....we think it is two different worlds. When I am contacted by people who describe their life with no other activies in it except BDSM activities, I know their world is not for me. I have to have a balanced life. It has to include my friends (which all happen to be very vanilla and know nothing of my own deviant desires!!), my family (same discloure, or lack thereof, made to them), movies, sporting activies, reading, etc.....it has to! I think the well rounded people don't fight with themselves like you and I do about how to mesh things and who needs to know as they realize that they live with this in their mind and heart 24/7, but that it is only one aspect of their daily life. They do not worry whether or not they need to make sure their neighbors know that they like to tie up or be tied up because they also don't share what author's books are on their night stand or what size they shop for at the store. Reading your post made me think....thanks....

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RE: Mixing Vanilla & BDSM - 12/7/2005 6:15:47 AM   
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Is your lifestyle with your partner what defines you as a person? Say for example you are just a naturally submissive person. This is a personality trait that everyone would know about already so it's not something that you would need to come clean about.


quote:

Many submissives and slaves have dominant characters/personalities.


Very true.

All I'm saying is that the activities I enjoy in the bedroom aren't what make me as a person. That's one tiny part of who I am. So what you like being whipped? Do you also like to sew, go to church, volunteer...the list goes on and on. We all live in a "vanilla" world. Your sexual preferences don't separate you from everyone else. Maybe if you make a living as a pro dom that's something to share. Otherwise...eh, who cares?

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RE: Mixing Vanilla & BDSM - 12/7/2005 6:20:15 AM   
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i haven't noticed a problem, i act the same way around my family as i always did. i still see my vanilla friends and go out and do vanilla things. They are aware of my lifestyle, but don't judge me by it, so basically nothing has changed.

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RE: Mixing Vanilla & BDSM - 12/7/2005 6:23:19 AM   
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quote:

Although I know it would be nice to stand up and yell.. this is me.. accept me as I am..... or leave me the hell alone! We can't always do this. I know I can't be the only one out there, trying to live a double life. One life for my family, (and i don't just mean unmentionables either, i mean siblings, parents, uncles, aunts, all the family) the other life for myself.


Hmm, am I an oddball? My whole family knows about me lol. I have never tried to hide it from them. They may not understand my reasons, and have a hard time dealing with it, but they accept my choices as being mine.

As for work, while there are some that know...I do not go around shouting it. If someone asks me, I tell them the truth. Many times I get the obvious reaction of shock, disbelief, followed by the lewd comments...but, I am a big girl, I can deal with the insecurities of others.

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RE: Mixing Vanilla & BDSM - 12/7/2005 9:24:15 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross


quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterFerdinand
You needn't say anything to anyone, your family already knows you're submissive in character,


Actually, to ask my parents.... my mom will tell you i'm a very Dominate person. As she raised me so to speak if you were to look at it in those terms. To find me on my knees, well she would kick me.





Many submissives and slaves have dominant characters/personalities.


Very true, being single mother for over 9years, having to take on the world as it comes my way. As mother, father, caretaker, protector. Everyone basically sees me as an open funfilled Dominate person. But those that have met me on the reverse side of the coin, know me better than that.

Everyones post have been wonderful so far. Still a bit conflicted... LOL.

I agree that my sexual preferances are not open to the public eye in the vanilla world. And it also doesn't define me as to who I am as a Whole Person. And that it shouldn't be a conflict.

Now I've run across more so than not, Dominate ones. That feel, knowing that are talking to and seeking out a single mother, that I should be submissive 24/7 and make all aware of it. All that all who enter upon our home should see, (should he decide my place is kneeling before him, calling him Master or Sir, wearing skimpy to nothing around the house, even in front of family)

I guess i'm too strong minded, or more Dominate that even I care to admit to make someone see something about me, I feel is no ones damn business but mine. I do go out of my way to hide toys, reading material and clothing from all that do enter upon my home. So that they don't ask, and I have to see the look of disgust on their faces. It's time like that, I begin to feel ashamed. And then I get more mad and ashamed because of feeling ashamed to begin with.

To Quote Waylon Jennings........ STOP THE WORLD AND LEFT ME OFF!

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RE: Mixing Vanilla & BDSM - 12/7/2005 9:34:22 AM   
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quote:

You needn't say anything to anyone, your family already knows you're submissive in character, and they'll know you will naturally seek a Dominant partner.


Oh just so not universally true. I went home for Thanskgiving and spent time with my family. Over dinner there was a discussion about a family member who had a very controlling partner and the comments went something like this" Did you notice how everything is the way B wants it? and how it is B does it this way or that, B is very controlling of her and she just takes it." My mother looked over at me and said "I'm so glad you are not like that at all." I just about choked on my pumpkin pie. I live my life as property, to say my owner is controlling is an understatement. So believe me what you said above is just not always the case. It makes me glad my owner and I live on the opposite coast from my family and that they will never see me interact with him.

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RE: Mixing Vanilla & BDSM - 12/7/2005 9:41:08 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: truesub4u
It's time like that, I begin to feel ashamed. And then I get more mad and ashamed because of feeling ashamed to begin with.


People will try and make you doubt everything so they can get what they want.

We each have our own equilibrium. I enjoy being naked all the time at home simply because it's how I feel happiest, has absolutely nothing to do with submission. When I have guests over who are not very close or comfortable with me, I will wear at least a robe because as a host it is my job to make my guests as comfortable as possible within reason. I don't think putting clothes on so that we can all have a good time is unreasonable.

Those types of doms tend to be focused on the ACTs and LOOKs rather than the simple relationship dynamic, as well as not understanding the social interactions that will make us all happier in the long run. Instead they focus only on their selfish need for attention at the cost of others happiness.

In the end, find someone who has compatible views to you.

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RE: Mixing Vanilla & BDSM - 12/7/2005 9:44:50 AM   
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My private life is not the business of my work nor my family. I call Master my "significant other" or "my boyfriend" or "my partner" in front of my family and co-workers. They don't ask questions as they have no reason to. My Master and I are not overtly S&M nor do we show off or involve ourselves in PDA.

As long as you don't show off in a non-normal way in public, you should be fine. Kneeling in public, leashing, or being overtly sexual isn't really appropriate imo.

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RE: Mixing Vanilla & BDSM - 12/7/2005 10:11:32 AM   
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And if we do decide to live the total life of BDSM... no matter what it means to who. Does everything we once had, have, disappear? I see some on here talking about meeting someone, loving them, starting a life with them. But do we stop going out with our friends?


for some, yes. sometimes when people join together in a committed relationship, THAT relationship becomes the most important relationship--they are no longer two and become ONE. this slave grew up in a home where BOTH parents left all friends and family behind and started a "new" life together. they didn't abandon ALL ties, sure there was letters and phone calls to old friends from time to time, visits from grandma at Christmas, but they were EACH OTHERS best friend, confidante and lover. they selfishly wanted each other to themselves--and their joy was unmistakable. when Dad died, they both had the same attitude they had for almost 40 years--if they could just be alone together for a few more moments....they wanted to be alone together in that final moment and the children and friends that they had involved in their life together didn't even try to argue with them. this slave came to realize over time that their relationship was not typical even in the "vanilla" world.

in the Vanilla world, it is perfectly acceptable to make friendships, relationships with relatives, therapist visits, pta get-togethers, a "career", etc. just as important as your relationship with your significant other. if that works for you, great, more power to you.....however, that is but one of the problems this slave encountered in vanilla relationships and in trying to "fit in" to the vanilla world as opposed to living "a total life of BDSM" in a Master/slave relationship. If this slave had wished to mix Vanilla and BDSM she would have insisted on being someone's submissive in certain places, at certain times and would not have made the choice to be in a Master/slave relationship. If it was only about what went on in the bedroom, well, then it is no different than Vanilla with some kink mixed in with sex.

for this slave, the relationship dynamic is the difference between "Vanilla" and "BDSM"....it really isn't so much about people in the vanilla world being made aware of our bedroom/dungeon proclivities, it is that they ALL know, no matter who it is, this slave's job is making Master happy by serving and pleasing HIM. Everyone else can take a number and if Master decides to share His slave with them(from sexual acts to giving them a ride somewhere), then that is 100% HIS decision.

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RE: Mixing Vanilla & BDSM - 12/7/2005 10:47:38 AM   
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We've found there to be compatibility between our "vanilla" lives and our alternative lives -- to the point where there is really only "life". I really believe that we shape our lives by what we are -and- by what we fear -- and that we create divisions because of the struggle to integrating these things within ourselves. There isn't any reason to give up anything that you want to be a part of -- it just becomes a matter of learning how to manage it.

Our household crosses through several alternative lifestyles, including M/s. We've never had an issue with co-workers, and I think that is because we, as individuals, have always had firm boundaries about what is suitable to discuss with co-workers and what isn't. We don't share our dating/sex lives with people at work. This includes the private levels of our M/s life. Even though I wore a full collar every day to work for several years, I never made a big deal about it, and never announced its meaning or tried to explain it to my co-workers. For those who asked, it was a gift from one whom I loved dearly, and I enjoyed wearing it. To me, that was all the explaination that anyone needed about my private life (and I don't ask about their private lives, either.) These days, we try to use collaring options that allow our servants to maintain their connection to their life with us while not drawing a lot of unnecessary attention while at work.

Even when we -weren't- in the D/s aspects of this life, SR, PD, LEB and I had plenty of other alternative perspectives to work from (not the least of which was that there was the 4 of us where most folks came in pairs unless you added unmentionables). We didn't share our sex lives with co-workers, and didn't explain how we were all inter-related to those whom we worked with (unless the individuals crossed paths with us in other areas). When it came time for company parties, we have all gone to the parties. We didn't explain whom we were bringing and why... we sent in our RSVP for whomever would be in town, and we just brought whomever was available to go... sometimes one of us, sometimes two or three, and a couple of times all of us were in the same place at the same time to go. These days, we're working for a company where our holiday parties are done during work hours, so nobody goes but whomever is employed there. SR and I are in the same department, but different sections... we have -yet- to be able to share a holiday party together, because each of our sections celebrates separately. But when we had our department party, we took each other. At the same time, we kept PDA's respectful... a quick kiss, hug, holding hands.... No tongues down one another's throats, etc... and we danced together -- even slow dances -- without anyone saying a word. We didn't drink heavily, didn't participate in crass jokes and the "gossip train", had some awesome conversations, and even discussed some controversial topics from our strange perspective... and came out of our company parties with as much or more respect than before the party.

Our families know about our spiritual divergence from the norm, our gender divergence, our family-size/style divergence, and our D/s divergence as well. We've visited family with our servants and their unmentionables, taken the whole brood to family reunions, etc. In being completely comfortable with ourselves, and completely unapologetic about our choices, while still respecting the dignity and mores of the people with whom we associate and being present but not pushy about who and what we are, we've managed to fit comfortably and without giving stress to those whom we care about in the work, vanilla and multiple lifestyle worlds.

Lady Zephyr


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RE: Mixing Vanilla & BDSM - 12/7/2005 12:59:13 PM   
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You should not have to HIDE who you are from friends and family. This does not mean they need to know all the details. My husband and I have not hid our livestyle from friends or family. We just do not find it neccessary to give the details of what We do behind closed doors.

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