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RE: McCain/______ - 10/11/2008 1:54:40 AM

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I sense a rush to judgement here.
Lets find out what that Trooper was up to.
If a politician may be held to account for impropriety why not a state trooper.

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RE: McCain/______ - 10/11/2008 3:11:07 AM

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Choosing her was stupid. McCain getting rid of her would be an admission of his own stupidity.

He's flying on a wing and a prayer and hopefully he will crash.

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RE: McCain/______ - 10/11/2008 3:47:45 AM

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Will Sarah Palin still be on the Republican ticket in November?

Yes!

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RE: McCain/______ - 10/11/2008 3:54:07 AM

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

I sense a rush to judgement here.
Lets find out what that Trooper was up to.
If a politician may be held to account for impropriety why not a state trooper.

Remember the market knows best !

It doesn't matter what he was "up to". If he was doing something inappropriate or illegal there were proper channels that should have been used.

Instead, she ordered his supervisor to fire him, and when he refused she acted like a petulant child and fired the supervisor.

This is not about the trooper's actions, it is about hers.

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RE: McCain/______ - 10/11/2008 3:57:45 AM

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I call it firm governance.
Would you like to be "stopped" by a trooper who was no better than he ought to be ?

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RE: McCain/______ - 10/11/2008 4:00:07 AM

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What he was up to was disciplining his step-son with a stun gun. Amazing the other party thinks they are going to get traction on this.

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RE: McCain/______ - 10/11/2008 4:04:29 AM

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Wow, basically I was trolling but that revelation is astounding.
If true all this "kerfuffle" as you say may well backfire.
We shall see.

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RE: McCain/______ - 10/11/2008 4:34:03 AM

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I call it firm governance

Palin Warned to Stop Disparaging Sister's Ex | Newsweek Politics ...
Sep 9, 2008 ... He had just been to Taser instructor school. Wooten told Sgt. Wall ... In his
interview with troopers, the stepson said it hurt for about a ...
http://www.newsweek.com/id/158140

An Anchorage judge three years ago warned Sarah Palin and members of her family to stop "disparaging" the reputation of Alaska State Trooper Michael Wooten, who at the time was undergoing a bitter separation and divorce from Palin's sister Molly.
Allegations that Palin, her husband Todd, and at least one top gubernatorial aide continued to vilify Wooten—after Palin became Alaska's governor and pressured state police officials to take action against him—are at the center of "Troopergate," a political and ethical controversy which has embroiled Palin's administration and is currently the subject of an official inquiry by a special investigator hired by the state legislature.

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RE: McCain/______ - 10/11/2008 4:38:17 AM

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Does it matter to anyone that the guy she fired wasn`t Palin`s taser`n bro-in-law? But rather the bro-in-laws boss? Oh well.

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Her credibility is shot with regulars now.Only the " believers" of the party buy her shpeel.

These are the folks who now booo McCain, when McCain is forced to defend Obama at his rallys,the bigot wing of the party.

It`s about her lying, about all of if.Not the firing

If the woman has just kept her mouth shut about it,Troopergate wouldn`t exist.

But she did and now here we are.

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RE: McCain/______ - 10/11/2008 4:42:59 AM

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What he was up to was disciplining his step-son with a stun gun. Amazing the other party thinks they are going to get traction on this.

Trooper in Palin probe tells his side - CNN.com
Story Highlights; Alaska state trooper Mike Wooten admits using Taser on his
stepson, regrets it; In exclusive CNN interview, Wooten denies drinking beer ...
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/05/palin.trooper/index.html
He said that he was a new Taser instructor, and his stepson was asking him about the equipment. "I didn't shoot him with live, you know, actual live cartridge," Wooten said.
Instead, he said, he hooked his stepson up to a training aid "with little clips. And, you know, the Taser was activated for less than a second, which would be less than what you would get if you touched an electric fence. ... It was as safe as I could possibly make it."
He said his stepson was on the living room floor surrounded by pillows, that he "was bragging about it," and that the family laughed about it.

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RE: McCain/______ - 10/11/2008 4:46:58 AM

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What he was up to was disciplining his step-son with a stun gun. Amazing the other party thinks they are going to get traction on this.

She was using public office to pursue a personal vendetta and sacked someone who would not cooperate in that vendetta.

What you are trying to do is rationalize her behaviour.

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RE: McCain/______ - 10/11/2008 5:10:05 AM

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Okay, people need to figure out what they want. They bitch and moan that politicians won't admit their mistakes and yet people are saying if McCain stood up today and said hey folks, i really screwed up with my choice here, i am changing my VP so in the event i DO get elected i won't be stuck with a VP who i feel is now a bad choice -- it would hurt him and they would see it as something he shouldn't do.

According to many in this thread, its a contradiction -- people bitch that Bush won't admit his mistakes so they can be fixed and are saying that McCain shouldn't admit his mistake or else he would be seen as stupid.

Personally, if he admitted his mistake and attempted to fix it NOW, it to me would lend credibility he would perhaps choose to do so while in office so if he makes a decision that turns out to be a wrong one for the country he will admit it and move on to try and fix it instead of trying to continue to justify a mistake he doesn't want to admit for people will hold it against him instead of working WITH him to fix it. Perhaps if the people of the country were more willing to work WITH the President whomever he is or becomes instead of bitching about him, things may be different as to what a President chooses to do. Hell he is human not a saint or some perfect decision maker.

I hope he does stand up and say he made a mistake. it to me will show me he admits he is human and needs the country just as much as the country needs the President - whoever it is at the time.

angel

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RE: McCain/______ - 10/11/2008 5:17:30 AM

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Good luck with that. His ego would never allow him to admit he screwed up.

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RE: McCain/______ - 10/11/2008 5:23:52 AM

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I agree, but it would be nice to see it happen. It really would be nice to see a politician stand for principles that go beyond getting elected. Even if it loses him the election because people are more concerned with holding mistakes against people in office than working with them or giving them credit to try to correct a mistake, i would have respect for his doing so.

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RE: McCain/______ - 10/11/2008 5:30:13 AM

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Angel, I agree. I still would not vote for him based upon the reasons I've formed that have nothing at all to do with Sarah Palin. But I would gain a great deal of respect for him that I lost when he chose her.

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RE: McCain/______ - 10/11/2008 5:55:45 AM

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The sad thing is, Palin's abuse of power probably won't cause McCain to fall any farther in the polls. McCain is at 41 right now (even before this probe came out with it's findings) and it's just not possible to fall farther than that, if you are a member of one of the two major parties. The only way to fall farther would be if he pissed of his base to the extent that they all abandoned him... Say, like calling his opponent a "good, decent, family man..." or chucking Palin and bringing on Leiberman... or declaring himself to be a member of the Greens.

As much as Im loving this, it does kinda take the fun out of it. It's like watching your favorite team win by a total shutout. It's boring.

But, after ass fucking the country without lube for eight years... what did the GOP expect? Most voters, given their choice, would like to take the cabinet members of the Bush administration, skin them alive, and throw them into a rock salt pit. (for starters) Please note that I'm speaking metaphorically, and not literally, as some McCain supporters did when they called for Obama to be killed.

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RE: McCain/______ - 10/11/2008 6:08:27 AM

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If he wants a replacement I'd be very pleased to step in today - quick trip to the Embassy, access to the right channels and hey presto I'm qualified!

Its not that I think McCain and I would do any better (though the value of the ticket would increase hugely, even with No.6 shortselling), or that I think McCain is the man for the job, nor even that I think the Republicans deserve even one vote for the Whitehouse.

Its just that the rights to my new book "inside the McCain campaign - the last three weeks" would get me such an advance I could retire around January 2009.

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RE: McCain/______ - 10/11/2008 6:12:16 AM

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LadyE, I'd write you in.............if I could exclude McCain.

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RE: McCain/______ - 10/11/2008 6:17:48 AM

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Okay, people need to figure out what they want. They bitch and moan that politicians won't admit their mistakes and yet people are saying if McCain stood up today and said hey folks, i really screwed up with my choice here, i am changing my VP so in the event i DO get elected i won't be stuck with a VP who i feel is now a bad choice -- it would hurt him and they would see it as something he shouldn't do.

According to many in this thread, its a contradiction -- people bitch that Bush won't admit his mistakes so they can be fixed and are saying that McCain shouldn't admit his mistake or else he would be seen as stupid.

Personally, if he admitted his mistake and attempted to fix it NOW, it to me would lend credibility he would perhaps choose to do so while in office so if he makes a decision that turns out to be a wrong one for the country he will admit it and move on to try and fix it instead of trying to continue to justify a mistake he doesn't want to admit for people will hold it against him instead of working WITH him to fix it. Perhaps if the people of the country were more willing to work WITH the President whomever he is or becomes instead of bitching about him, things may be different as to what a President chooses to do. Hell he is human not a saint or some perfect decision maker.

I hope he does stand up and say he made a mistake. it to me will show me he admits he is human and needs the country just as much as the country needs the President - whoever it is at the time.

angel

Yep....The news conference would be interesting,wouldn't it.A candidate admitting his first major decision as a candidate,made under the best of circumstance, minus the famous 3 a.m. phone call was wrong....and more importantly the process by which he made that decision sounds familiar to millions of Americans: He went with his gut...he ignored "the process" yep ....that should work out well for Sen.McCain
BTW Sen McCain is how we will be referring to him in his retirement.....

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RE: McCain/______ - 10/11/2008 6:22:47 AM

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I dunno.

These mavericks, these fuckin' guys, hah?

We are gonna see some REAL CHANGE in these few weeks leading up to the election.

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