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NumberSix -> RE: A good man stands up (10/11/2008 5:37:36 PM)

And, nobody said anything about justice.  You're the one to bring up the patron saint of oral sex.

And correct me if I am wrong you little round mouths....




Owner59 -> RE: A good man stands up (10/11/2008 5:40:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Irishknight

Owner, you know that there can be no credit given to a republican for standing up for the right thing.   That is against the rules.  Take it back right now.



To be fair,there were some(a few) people at the rally that applauded when McCain said "we can disagree on policy and still be respectful" and when he hushed the bigots.

He`s not happy with this.I think he will be the 1st to tire of it.

But the ads are still running.We`ll see.




Owner59 -> RE: A good man stands up (10/11/2008 6:03:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

The only good man in this election is John McCain.  Actually, he's the only man in this election at all.







And what was left of the respect I formerly afforded you is now completely gone.

This is beneath you---or at least used to be.



Calling a black man a boy or saying he isn`t a man.....

One of the oldest and most often used outrages perpetrated by bigoted people.




bluepanda -> RE: A good man stands up (10/11/2008 6:06:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

The only good man in this election is John McCain.
 

There was a time, 8 or 10 years  ago, when you could have posted that and not been challenged on it. Most people would have agree with you. But sadly, John McCain isn't John McCain anymore.



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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112
Actually, he's the only man in this election at all.



Weird.




BitaTruble -> RE: A good man stands up (10/11/2008 6:09:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

The only good man in this election is John McCain.  Actually, he's the only man in this election at all.



Care to clarify, then, what Obama is if not a man? It seems to me that the options are quite limited. Were I you, the very best answer you could possibly give would be .. a politician.




lronitulstahp -> RE: A good man stands up (10/11/2008 6:13:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

The only good man in this election is John McCain.  Actually, he's the only man in this election at all.





And what was left of the respect I formerly afforded you is now completely gone.

This is beneath you---or at least used to be.



Calling a black man a boy or saying he isn`t a man.....

One of the oldest and most often used outrages perpetrated by bigoted people.
i've never known CL to stoop to bigotry or any racist nonsense to make a point.  i may not agree always with him politcally, but i have always respected that about him.  He always called some of his GOP cohorts out on such behavior.  Besides, i believe he also included Joe Biden in his assesssment.  Sometimes, words are just unfortunate when used in certain instances.  "You can put lipstick on a pig", et al.





NumberSix -> RE: A good man stands up (10/11/2008 6:14:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bluepanda

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

The only good man in this election is John McCain.
 

There was a time, 8 or 10 years  ago, when you could have posted that and not been challenged on it. Most people would have agree with you. But sadly, John McCain isn't John McCain anymore.



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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112
Actually, he's the only man in this election at all.



Weird.



There was never a time you could post that. and it be wholly true.

6




Owner59 -> RE: A good man stands up (10/11/2008 6:20:09 PM)

Yes ,and written into law.




NumberSix -> RE: A good man stands up (10/11/2008 6:25:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lronitulstahp

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

The only good man in this election is John McCain.  Actually, he's the only man in this election at all.





And what was left of the respect I formerly afforded you is now completely gone.

This is beneath you---or at least used to be.



Calling a black man a boy or saying he isn`t a man.....

One of the oldest and most often used outrages perpetrated by bigoted people.
i've never known CL to stoop to bigotry or any racist nonsense to make a point.  i may not agree always with him politcally, but i have always respected that about him.  He always called some of his GOP cohorts out on such behavior.  Besides, i believe he also included Joe Biden in his assesssment.  Sometimes, words are just unfortunate when used in certain instances.  "You can put lipstick on a pig", et al.




what sorta lipstick do you think you are showing up at my house with?

Beowulf




servantheart -> RE: A good man stands up (10/11/2008 6:42:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: servantheart



There are extremists everywhere and on both sides.  My point is that unless one personally knows each and every person in this country, there is no way to accurately generalize the disgraceful attitude of the ones we saw in those televised rallies to everyone or even the majority of people in the entire U.S.
 
 


Really?

So tell me, how many Obama or Biden rallies have you heard where people scream out to kill John McCain?

This is the end result of the Moral Majority politics that Republicans have relied on for years.  Don't vote on issues, vote on "values".  And if you don't share my "values" it is not just a disagreement, you are one of the "evildoers".


McCain was booed by many there when he stood up for Obama.  I wouldn't call those people his supporters.  Again, we have some extremists who acted in a way they shouldn't have.  They are not representative of the majority of Americans or even Republicans.  In order to make that claim, you'd have to know each and every person's heart, everything they've ever said, and all of their actions.  Then you'd be qualified to say whether they are a certain way or not.  We have the extreme right and the extreme left, neither of who represent the majority of their respective parties. 
 




slvemike4u -> RE: A good man stands up (10/11/2008 7:08:04 PM)

Servantheart it will take but one of these extremist's,possibly stoked up by inflammatory rhetoric to perpetrate a tragedy...and that is why responsible people have an obligation to choose there words carefully when they stand on a large soapbox...Palin responding "boy you guys really get it"is not responsible behavior from someone seeking high office.




Amadan -> RE: A good man stands up (10/12/2008 3:13:10 AM)

As far as I'm concerned, it's getting close to guillotines and barricades time






slaveboyforyou -> RE: A good man stands up (10/12/2008 3:38:34 AM)

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Actually, it already has gotten to that point. A couple of months ago, a republican nutcase walked into Hillary Clinton's Little Rock HQ, and shot and killed the chairman of her local campaign, Bill Gwatney. Upon investigation, they found him to be a typical "fringe" type. His apartment was a small arsenal of semi-legal assault weapons, (he was an NRA member) with books by Limbaugh, O'Riley, The Turner Diaries, and his TV tuned to FOX. Along with the usual stuff, he had clippings about Gwatney push pinned to his walls.


Complete and utter horse manure, bipolar.  You apparently didn't pay attention to the entire story.  It wasn't Hillary's HQ.  It was the state Democratic HQ, and the guy wasn't a Republican.  He didn't live in an apartment; he had a house in Searcy.  I know you're making up the stuff about the books in his house and the television being tuned to FOX.  The police said they never could find a motive for the shooting.  You make up things all the time to push your views, and you've tried to use this story before. 

The guy had just lost his job at the Conway Target.  He was fired for writing juvenile graffiti in a store hallway that read, "Target is run by dumb jocks and sorority bitches."  The manager had warned employees to be alert for the guy, because he was the type that shoots up his workplace.  He was just a 50 year old loser, and his paranoid delusions had nothing to do with politics.  You should be embarrassed for even trying to blame that tragedy on the Republicans.  I guess I should blame the Democrats for that Jodie Foster obsessed asshole that tried to kill Reagan. 




rulemylife -> RE: A good man stands up (10/12/2008 5:08:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: servantheart

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: servantheart



There are extremists everywhere and on both sides.  My point is that unless one personally knows each and every person in this country, there is no way to accurately generalize the disgraceful attitude of the ones we saw in those televised rallies to everyone or even the majority of people in the entire U.S.
 
 


Really?

So tell me, how many Obama or Biden rallies have you heard where people scream out to kill John McCain?

This is the end result of the Moral Majority politics that Republicans have relied on for years.  Don't vote on issues, vote on "values".  And if you don't share my "values" it is not just a disagreement, you are one of the "evildoers".


McCain was booed by many there when he stood up for Obama.  I wouldn't call those people his supporters.  Again, we have some extremists who acted in a way they shouldn't have.  They are not representative of the majority of Americans or even Republicans.  In order to make that claim, you'd have to know each and every person's heart, everything they've ever said, and all of their actions.  Then you'd be qualified to say whether they are a certain way or not.  We have the extreme right and the extreme left, neither of who represent the majority of their respective parties. 
 


Quite frankly, I'm getting a little tired of this line of argument. 

The same type of argument that tells us it really wasn't the Republicans who have spent the last eight years running this country into the ground. 

When things go well it's because of brilliant Republican policies overcoming Democrat resistance.  When things go badly it's because the Democrats resisted brilliant Republican policies.

Reap the praise for yourself but spread the blame when you screw up things.  Doesn't that about sum it up?

Just like you are doing with this lame "well the Democrats have their extremists too" defense of what's been going on.

So I challenge you again to name me  just one similar incident at ANY Obama/Biden rally. 




Owner59 -> RE: A good man stands up (10/12/2008 6:05:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: servantheart

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: servantheart



There are extremists everywhere and on both sides.  My point is that unless one personally knows each and every person in this country, there is no way to accurately generalize the disgraceful attitude of the ones we saw in those televised rallies to everyone or even the majority of people in the entire U.S.
 
 


Really?

So tell me, how many Obama or Biden rallies have you heard where people scream out to kill John McCain?

This is the end result of the Moral Majority politics that Republicans have relied on for years.  Don't vote on issues, vote on "values".  And if you don't share my "values" it is not just a disagreement, you are one of the "evildoers".


McCain was booed by many there when he stood up for Obama.  I wouldn't call those people his supporters.  Again, we have some extremists who acted in a way they shouldn't have.  They are not representative of the majority of Americans or even Republicans.  In order to make that claim, you'd have to know each and every person's heart, everything they've ever said, and all of their actions.  Then you'd be qualified to say whether they are a certain way or not.  We have the extreme right and the extreme left, neither of who represent the majority of their respective parties. 
 



Ahh the "everyone does it" response.

Totally appropriate when you can`t explain something horrible that your party did.

No one ever need take responsibility with such justifications at the ready.




LadyEllen -> RE: A good man stands up (10/12/2008 6:23:03 AM)

By their deeds shall you know them - one might venture to say by their inaction you shall know them too.

If only there were a religion which required humility, acknowledged the flaws of the human state and yet had at its core the message that we can be better if only we respect one another and understand that only some supreme being somewhere is perfect, and that we can approach that perfection if only we sacrifice our own flawed human selfishness for others.

E




bipolarber -> RE: A good man stands up (10/12/2008 6:47:18 AM)

SB4U,

Well, gosh, you got me there... the guy did live in a house, not in an apartment, It was the Dem HQ and not Hillary's that he shot up. You're right, that makes ALL the difference, doesn't it? [8|] The stuff about the books and the TV came from an Earnie Dumas column from the Arkansas Times, the same week as the shooting. I don't know about you, but I've trusted Earnie's journalistic intergrity for years.

The point that LE brought up was that the election is getting ugly to the point of violence. I merely pointed out that it already has. Or, in your opinion, does Mr. Gwantey's death "not really count?"




Owner59 -> RE: A good man stands up (10/12/2008 6:47:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

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Actually, it already has gotten to that point. A couple of months ago, a republican nutcase walked into Hillary Clinton's Little Rock HQ, and shot and killed the chairman of her local campaign, Bill Gwatney. Upon investigation, they found him to be a typical "fringe" type. His apartment was a small arsenal of semi-legal assault weapons, (he was an NRA member) with books by Limbaugh, O'Riley, The Turner Diaries, and his TV tuned to FOX. Along with the usual stuff, he had clippings about Gwatney push pinned to his walls.


Complete and utter horse manure, bipolar.  You apparently didn't pay attention to the entire story.  It wasn't Hillary's HQ.  It was the state Democratic HQ, and the guy wasn't a Republican.  He didn't live in an apartment; he had a house in Searcy.  I know you're making up the stuff about the books in his house and the television being tuned to FOX.  The police said they never could find a motive for the shooting.  You make up things all the time to push your views, and you've tried to use this story before. 

The guy had just lost his job at the Conway Target.  He was fired for writing juvenile graffiti in a store hallway that read, "Target is run by dumb jocks and sorority bitches."  The manager had warned employees to be alert for the guy, because he was the type that shoots up his workplace.  He was just a 50 year old loser, and his paranoid delusions had nothing to do with politics.  You should be embarrassed for even trying to blame that tragedy on the Republicans.  I guess I should blame the Democrats for that Jodie Foster obsessed asshole that tried to kill Reagan. 





Thanks once more slaveboy.Though we rarely agree,you always tell it straight and have your homework done before you turn it in.

And wasn`t there a similar incident at an Obama office?I might be mistaken but I recall something.




servantheart -> RE: A good man stands up (10/12/2008 8:25:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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ORIGINAL: servantheart

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: servantheart



There are extremists everywhere and on both sides.  My point is that unless one personally knows each and every person in this country, there is no way to accurately generalize the disgraceful attitude of the ones we saw in those televised rallies to everyone or even the majority of people in the entire U.S.
 
 


Really?

So tell me, how many Obama or Biden rallies have you heard where people scream out to kill John McCain?

This is the end result of the Moral Majority politics that Republicans have relied on for years.  Don't vote on issues, vote on "values".  And if you don't share my "values" it is not just a disagreement, you are one of the "evildoers".


McCain was booed by many there when he stood up for Obama.  I wouldn't call those people his supporters.  Again, we have some extremists who acted in a way they shouldn't have.  They are not representative of the majority of Americans or even Republicans.  In order to make that claim, you'd have to know each and every person's heart, everything they've ever said, and all of their actions.  Then you'd be qualified to say whether they are a certain way or not.  We have the extreme right and the extreme left, neither of who represent the majority of their respective parties. 
 



Ahh the "everyone does it" response.

Totally appropriate when you can`t explain something horrible that your party did.

No one ever need take responsibility with such justifications at the ready.


Okay, first of all, I do not claim either party as my own.  I am neither Democrat or Republican.  I always vote for who I feel is best qualified at the time. Secondly, I do not condone what occured at those rallies, nor will I ever.  It is disgusting, disgraceful behavior, no matter WHO does it.  You are right.  I cannot explain such behavior.  I do not understand it.  Furthermore I do not ever wish to understand it.  And yes, there are "evil" people everywhere.  I do not believe they represent the whole of either party. 
 




servantheart -> RE: A good man stands up (10/12/2008 8:38:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

Quite frankly, I'm getting a little tired of this line of argument. 

The same type of argument that tells us it really wasn't the Republicans who have spent the last eight years running this country into the ground. 

When things go well it's because of brilliant Republican policies overcoming Democrat resistance.  When things go badly it's because the Democrats resisted brilliant Republican policies.

Reap the praise for yourself but spread the blame when you screw up things.  Doesn't that about sum it up?

Just like you are doing with this lame "well the Democrats have their extremists too" defense of what's been going on.

So I challenge you again to name me  just one similar incident at ANY Obama/Biden rally. 


I have not claimed that this kind of behavior has occured at any of Obama's rallies.  That is because it hasn't, at least not to my knowledge.  For that, I am glad.  We do not need this kind of extremism in ANY party.  But to say that there are no extremes in any group is ignorant.  Groups/Parties/Committees or whatever you want to label them are composed of people and some of those people are going to have extremist views.  Note that extremism doesn't necessarily equate with violence.
 
I do not attempt to reap the praise for the actions of any political party, nor do I blame any one party when things go wrong.  I do not belong to either party.   




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