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sailorfrank -> RE: Supremacy (10/14/2008 8:06:45 AM)

    Funny stuff here to get all worked up over Hmmmm??    Supremacy should never ever be based on gender/race/color or divinty!

  But should ideally be based on the individual or self.  As there are Supreme humans amongst us that are superior thru their own improvements thru education or or self-improvement of their mental and physical abilitys.

  But of course the True Supreme ones will not be bragging about themselves openly.




marieToo -> RE: Supremacy (10/14/2008 10:30:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sailorfrank

   Funny stuff here to get all worked up over Hmmmm??    Supremacy should never ever be based on gender/race/color or divinty!



I think it's important to examine the topic in the context in which it was couched. It's about a personal kink, not an effort to launch a revolution designed to oppress a particular religion, race or gender.

I don't see anything wrong with someone embracing this particular mindset if it helps them realize their enjoyment and fulfillment in the privacy of their own personal relationships.  There are others who believe in, and enjoy, gender supremacy, so if they seek each other out and enjoy this frame of mind together without impinging upon anyone else's rights, who am I to say they shouldn't? 




yourMissTress -> RE: Supremacy (10/14/2008 10:58:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: leadership527

Woah! Hold on tex... If I am correct that we are talking about a generalized philosophy which states all x are better than all y (rather than a specific statement about what goes on between two individuals) then we are discussing a thing which, as WestBaySlave quite accurately points out, puts down roughly 3 BILLION people. Me personally, I'm fine with both putting down the idea and anyone who subscribes to it. Not just this sort of supremacy.... ANY sort based upon such sweeping generalizations. I'm also perfectly willing to vote to enact laws as needed to stop it's spread. Sometimes, your kink is NOT ok and this is one of those times for me. I don't approve of the KKK and I don't approve of this for exactly identical reasons.


Wow, that train left the station fast!  No, we are talking about a KINK, something that is practiced between consenting adults within the context of their relationship. When that becomes a world view, let me know, because I'm sure there are plenty of kinks that need to be governed in that event.






OttersSwim -> RE: Supremacy (10/14/2008 11:01:24 AM)

And as a girlie boy, am I suffering from delusions of grandeur?  [;)]




yourMissTress -> RE: Supremacy (10/14/2008 11:02:17 AM)

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I stated my opinion on a subject not a specific person. Why some people appear to be unable to address the topic rather than the person discussing the topic on these boards is rather fascinating to me.


Had you simply stated an opinion, and not made value judgements, there would have been no question.  How you see any of this being about you is...fascinating to me.




leadership527 -> RE: Supremacy (10/14/2008 11:08:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: yourMissTress
Wow, that train left the station fast!  No, we are talking about a KINK, something that is practiced between consenting adults within the context of their relationship. When that becomes a world view, let me know, because I'm sure there are plenty of kinks that need to be governed in that event.



Hence my disclaimer in the very first sentence. Knowing not much of this myself, there seemed to be some serious disagreement about what we are talking about here and I've responded to both interpretations... one positively, the other strongly negatively.




Venatrix -> RE: Supremacy (10/14/2008 11:25:46 AM)

In reference to your OP, you make some rather sweeping judgements about other people.  I was just wondering if you have any clinical research to back up your statements, or are you basing your comments on an "everybody knows this is true" approach?




MsAuthoritarian -> RE: Supremacy (10/14/2008 11:27:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: yourMissTress
Had you simply stated an opinion, and not made value judgements, there would have been no question.  How you see any of this being about you is...fascinating to me.


We are not going to see each others point of view here so it is a waste of both of our time to continue this nonesense. If you have anything else to say to me please do feel free to email on the other side under this same name.
 
~Ms




LaTigresse -> RE: Supremacy (10/14/2008 11:32:55 AM)

To answer the OP.

Personally I do not subscribe to the theory that one specific group is supreme to another group/s. Too many examples that will prove it wrong.

However, if someone wants to believe that way, for their own little happy place in the world, I don't care. AS LONG as they do not try to push their belief system down my throat and mess with my own little happy place.

Supreme is just too exclusive, or all inclusive. Each time to try to create such an absolute, someone or thing, is going to come along and fuck the theory all up. I prefer to deal with it all on a case by case basis instead of broad sweeping generalizations.




JustDarkness -> RE: Supremacy (10/14/2008 11:35:54 AM)

good thing about supremacy...it destroys it self....thus as LT said.....proves itself wrong




yourMissTress -> RE: Supremacy (10/14/2008 11:36:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MsAuthoritarian

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ORIGINAL: yourMissTress
Had you simply stated an opinion, and not made value judgements, there would have been no question.  How you see any of this being about you is...fascinating to me.


We are not going to see each others point of view here so it is a waste of both of our time to continue this nonesense. If you have anything else to say to me please do feel free to email on the other side under this same name.
 
~Ms


How could I possibly see your point of view when you haven't given me the opportunity?   I asked why it mattered to you...I haven't seen a response.





MsAuthoritarian -> RE: Supremacy (10/14/2008 11:38:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Venatrix
In reference to your OP, you make some rather sweeping judgements about other people.  I was just wondering if you have any clinical research to back up your statements, or are you basing your comments on an "everybody knows this is true" approach?


It was an opinion and I even stated the word "theory", come on now. Yes I judge supremacy. I have never claimed to never judge anything or anyone and frankly I have yet to meet someone that does not EVER judge anything or anyone so I find any attempt to point the finger of shame towards me as being judgmental to be laughable and most likely hypocritical. If you are the exception, the one person that has never nor would ever judge something or someone then I apologize for offending your sensibilities, however, I need proof.

I have every right to think, feel and state my thoughts even if they are negative or judgmental and I will not apologize. No one must agree with me as that is their choice. I stated my opinion, my "theory" and that is that. Like it or not there it is.

Anyone is perfectly welcome to send all hate mail to me on the other side under this same name. I actually enjoy getting them so I thank you in advance.

Have a groovy day!

~Ms
 




Venatrix -> RE: Supremacy (10/14/2008 11:48:49 AM)

Yes, but the word "theory" implies that you got it from somewhere.  I was just wondering where.  Had I known my question would have made you so defensive, I wouldn't have bothered to ask.




MsAuthoritarian -> RE: Supremacy (10/14/2008 12:15:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Venatrix

Yes, but the word "theory" implies that you got it from somewhere.  I was just wondering where.  Had I known my question would have made you so defensive, I wouldn't have bothered to ask.


Communicating with nothing but the written word is a very tricky thing as emotions that are not there are often translated to be there. I obviously came across defensive and in reality that was not the case as I simply chose to express myself a bit further in hopes you would understand a bit better. At the end I did use some sarcasm that was not directed towards you as it was directed to anyone that wishes to send me hate mail lol
 
I stated in other posts within this thread that I had spoken to and questioned many people that subscribe to supremacy both online and real life. Speaking to those people is one of the ways I came up with my theories.

For clarification, I have zero issues with those that role-play supremacy or even think they were born to do X,Y,Z. My issue lies with those that make all inclusive claims such as; All women were born superior to men or anything of that nature. If they keep it personal (about themselves specifically) I see no issue with it but when it is made general then yes I have issues with it. I addition, if they take it a step further and start preaching their supremacy ideals then yes that lights my fire and I tend to rail against it lol

 
I hope that helped you understand a bit better.
 
~Ms
 




WestBaySlave -> RE: Supremacy (10/14/2008 2:01:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: yourMissTress

Wow, that train left the station fast!  No, we are talking about a KINK, something that is practiced between consenting adults within the context of their relationship. When that becomes a world view, let me know, because I'm sure there are plenty of kinks that need to be governed in that event.



Supremecy is quite patently a world view. If someone tells me that all men, women, blacks, whites, etc. are "superior" then they've made a statement about the world.

Saying "I believe black people exist to serve whites", is a far-reaching statement that effects billions - and one I believe to be not only be factually wrong, but immoral according to my beliefs. I feel no shame in expressing my thoughts on this.

This isn't in the least preventing others expressing their notion that women are walking holes that do the dishes, nor would I advocate laws preventing someone who held such a view from expressing themselves. Freedom to hold an opinion comes with freedom to criticize, and yes, put down someone holding that opinion.

If someone doesn't actually believe the views they're expressing, then they should say that. Few - especially around here - criticize role play.

However, I and others here have encountered people who express supremecist views as their reality rather than role play, and those people I have no objection to criticizing in any way.








SnowRanger -> RE: Supremacy (10/14/2008 2:42:04 PM)

Hello All,

I will admit to liking the fantasy of FemDom Supremacy as an aspect of role playing or injected into a "session" in some other way.

In real life, I'd like to find a woman I have to strive to be worthy of.  I don't belive that makes me pathetic or irresponsible or what ever.

Respectfully,
Mike
SnowRanger




world4penelope -> intriguing (10/14/2008 3:16:00 PM)

Womyn are the bringers and carriers of life...

Ultimately that makes us the closest thing to a god on earth. On one hand, in a practical sense, supremacy and sexism make no sense and yet... I don't find it completely unnatural for a man to stand in awe of the polar opposite creature that he is not. Why wouldn't he marvel at, honor, and respect the beautiful, brilliant, carrier of life? In this way I think that a man feeling humbled by a Womyn and wanting to serve her out of love and devotion is absolutely understandable.




OttersSwim -> RE: intriguing (10/14/2008 3:33:09 PM)

 
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ORIGINAL: world4penelope

Womyn are the bringers and carriers of life...

Ultimately that makes us the closest thing to a god on earth. On one hand, in a practical sense, supremacy and sexism make no sense and yet... I don't find it completely unnatural for a man to stand in awe of the polar opposite creature that he is not. Why wouldn't he marvel at, honor, and respect the beautiful, brilliant, carrier of life? In this way I think that a man feeling humbled by a Womyn and wanting to serve her out of love and devotion is absolutely understandable.


*waves penis in the air*

Men have just a little bit to do with all that -god on earth- stuff too.  Happy to give the ladies their part in carrying birthing and nurturing mother, but in all cases but one that I am aware of, there was a man present doing and contributing -something- to that creation and in most cases (yay for Dads!), the nurturing of the child too. 

Don't get me wrong, I am all about women (not sure about womyn) and am proud to be in the service of one...but I am not drinking that "cause we're uber" koolaid...noper...[&o]




MmeGigs -> RE: Supremacy (10/14/2008 4:00:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MsAuthoritarian

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ORIGINAL: MmeGigs

Why do you feel the need to press your beliefs about this on others? 


You have to be joking here. I refuse to believe that you think that stating a negative opinion about something and asking questions means that someone is pressing their beliefs upon others. Seriously now, come on.

 
I wasn't joking.  Look at your original post.  You're not just saying you don't like this kink and asking folks who are into it what the deal is, you're saying there's something wrong with these folks.  You're inviting folks who agree with you to share their theories and asking those who disagree with you whether they're just deluding themselves.  To me, that didn't look anything like stating an opinion and asking questions.

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ORIGINAL: MmeGigs
Why are you so sure that you've got his all figured out when it's something that you're obviously not into and don't understand?
 

Ok another thing I refuse to believe that you actually went there and proceeded to tell me flat out that I "obviously do not understand". As if you know me at all or anything about what I know or don't know.

 
I meant that, too.  You've made it abundantly clear what you think about this kink.  It's very clear that you don't understand why anyone would be into it, and pretty obvious that you've made up your mind about it and aren't willing to listen.  These idiots who fill up the inboxes of dominant women with "How can i serve You, Mistress??" crapola are not representative of folks with a supremacy kink - they're representative of horny internet dickheads.  The misogynistic jackasses and feminazis (not to be confused with feminists) who annoy those who have to put up with them with their theories and prejudices are also not representative of folks with a supremacy kink. 

There are a whole lot of people for whom the supremacy thing is part of their kink.  The Gor folks, for example - that's a rather male-supremacist kink.  Femsupremacy is also a very popular kink.  There are certainly some of them who aren't coming from the healthiest place with it, but the same could be said of any kink.  For the most part these folks do what they do in a safe, sane and consensual way and just want to be left alone to do it, same as the rest of us.  In the same way that someone with a bondage fetish doesn't go around tying up random strangers, folks with a supremacy kink do not expect random strangers to participate in their kink with them.

Supremacy isn't a kink I share.  I don't know how someone who is into this processes it, and neither does anyone else who doesn't share this kink.  I can get an inkling by talking to them about it and maybe trying to relate their feelings about it to something that does fit in my head, but if I start that conversation by telling them that I think they're weak and pathetic, I'm guessing that they aren't really going to open up to me.

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It is one thing to question someone about their beliefs; it is something else entirely to slam them on a personal level.


I agree with you.  I found your original post incredibly offensive because of the way you were slamming people on a personal level.  You weren't asking questions about their beliefs, you were belittling and insulting them.  According to you, their beliefs are pathetic.  They're weak and insecure.  They must be doing it to prop up a shaky ego or avoid taking responsibility for themselves.  And you could go on and on.

After you've put all of this really insulting and nasty stuff out there, you're feeling that I've slammed you by saying that you don't know what you're talking about.  I wasn't nasty to you, I was just bluntly stating my opinion, and in much kinder terms than you used.  If you can't handle that, I think that you need to take a look at what you're putting out there.  If you're going to be blunt and aggressive, people will be blunt and aggressive with you.




yourMissTress -> RE: Supremacy (10/14/2008 4:12:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: WestBaySlave


Supremecy is quite patently a world view. If someone tells me that all men, women, blacks, whites, etc. are "superior" then they've made a statement about the world.


Except when it's not.


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This isn't in the least preventing others expressing their notion that women are walking holes that do the dishes, nor would I advocate laws preventing someone who held such a view from expressing themselves. Freedom to hold an opinion comes with freedom to criticize, and yes, put down someone holding that opinion.


and some of them are, and like it.

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If someone doesn't actually believe the views they're expressing, then they should say that. Few - especially around here - criticize role play.


The OP did, and that was what I responded to.  As far as what I believe, I am not a subscriber to the belief that any group of people are superior to another.  I do, however, believe that some individuals are superior to the rest.

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However, I and others here have encountered people who express supremecist views as their reality rather than role play, and those people I have no objection to criticizing in any way.



As you have stated multiple times, you have the right to your opinion and your expression of that in whatever manner you choose.








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