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MsAuthoritarian -> RE: Supremacy (10/15/2008 7:10:04 PM)
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ORIGINAL: yourMissTress
I agree that different points of view make for a good and often times productive debate. The exception that I took to the OP had nothing to do with her view of a kink, but the way that she condemned anyone who engaged in that kink. A discussion of ideas was not really possible at that point, as anyone who would have come out to say "I do it and I like it" may have stayed away because of the abuse hurled at them before they had any opportunity to state their point of view.
I see the OP as being argumentative and hurtful to anyone that isn't in agreement with her way of thinking. Anyone questioning her motives in posting such a hatefilled and meanspirited message is pooh-poohed with "Oh come on now" as if she is above questioning and no one else could be sincere in their curiosity. It's hard to have a discussion when one party won't explain their motive and intent to the conversation.
I don't see any evidence that she wanted any opposing ideas, unless it was bait for someone who obviously didn't show up.
As far as this discussion has evolved, we seem to be at the point of tolerance and acceptance of others and their kinks.
I agree that there are kinks that are NOT OK. Any action done without the consent of the person it's being done to or involving those unable to give consent is where I draw the line. Beyond that, I don't care what anyone chooses to do in their own life. I may not choose to engage, watch, listen to, or read about it, but that doesn't mean that I don't accept them or encourage their right to do just as they please.
As far as supremacy in the sense of a world view. The people who believe such have just as much right to believe it as I have the right not to. When someone attempts to infringe on another's rights to believe as they choose, is when there will be a problem.
I live 10 miles from a HUGE monument to the founder of the KKK. Yep, disgusting, it's right next to the interstate and you can't miss it, the damn thing is lit up like a Christmas tree at night. It's on private property. It is every bit the right of the property owner to have, maintain, and light this monument. I don't like it, other than the man looks completely deranged and that makes me laugh. But the right to a belief is the right to believe whatever the hell you want, and to maintain my own freedom, I will defend the rights of others to believe something I abhore. Picking what is "right" and "wrong" for others is a slippery slope, and one I'd rather not be on.
A wonderful quote comes to my mind after reading your words especially the ones about the KKK member living close to you and your apparent devotion to his having the right to believe in white supremacy.
“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.”
Edmund Burke
One of the many differences between you and I is that while living in Duluth, GA I attended a KKK rally as a “protestor” against the KKK. I have a brother that became a member of the Aryan Brotherhood white supremacy group while in prison. Upon being released he did not revoke his membership. As a result I cut him out of my life a good six year ago now. I have kicked people out of my home and my life for sexism, racism, supremacy and for slamming gay and lesbian individuals. Those are simply a few of the small things I have done to fight against hate.
Good thing here is while you apparently have the cyber balls to “defend” as you put it “the rights of others to believe something I abhore” (I think you may of actually meant abhor and spell check just didn’t catch it – I know how that is), I doubt very seriously I will ever encounter you in the streets at rally’s, etc. fighting so veraciously as it is more likely that you would simply “do nothing”. In that case good for you keep turning a blind eye to the KKK and other hate monger groups and their “beliefs” as why should you care how many people get murdered, harassed, raped, beaten, and tortured in the name of supremacy? Why should you care how many gay, lesbian, trans, inter-sexed individuals fall victims to the same type of crimes, right? Why should you care that sexism is still a major problem in the USA that often causes deaths in domestic violence? As long as you are defending their rights to believe what they want thus continue to spread the hate that causes these crimes, really, why should you care?
Literally thousands of people fall victim to hate crimes each year according to the FBI- http://www.fbi.gov/page2/nov07/hatecrime111907.html
And those are only the things being reported!
9/11 was a direct result of politics AND personal “beliefs” and yet you fight so vigorously to defend the right of people to believe in things that cause hate and death.
If you used half of the energy you have shown on these boards in real life towards fighting against hate groups then perhaps there would be one less victim of a hate crime in the world.
I will say it one more time, I don’t care if someone engages in supremacy as kinky fun as that is harmless but supremacy as a non-consensual prejudice and discrimination (as John so eloquently put it [:)]) I will fight against every time!!!!
It is so good it needs to be repeated:
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
Edmund Burke
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~Ms
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