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RE: Why Do You Believe In What You Can't See? - 10/14/2008 11:00:30 AM

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I don't know where you get your information, but the exact opposite is true...

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By attaching some foreign aid to policies like this the administration basically signed the death warrants of thousands, if not millions, of sub saharan african people. He/they did this in the name of religion and morality. It doesn't seem legitimate to me, but hey, its all a matter of faith, and that is beyond question or reproach.

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RE: Why Do You Believe In What You Can't See? - 10/14/2008 11:01:40 AM

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It is my faith in God that makes Him visible to me. A non-believing woman might look at her newborn and think "Look what we made". A believer might look at her newborn and think "Look what God made".

If you have faith you might see things differently.

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RE: Why Do You Believe In What You Can't See? - 10/14/2008 11:14:58 AM

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I can't remember if it was Nietzche or Marx that said, religion is for people that don't want to know the truth. That just about sums up my feelings about faith, it is for children. To believe there in an omnipotent omnipresent god is not only to believe in a logical impossibility but to believe a sociopathic paranoid scitzophrenic psycopath who likes to dabble in extreme sadism, is a god of love.

Impressionable children aren't that stupid.

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RE: Why Do You Believe In What You Can't See? - 10/14/2008 11:19:30 AM

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Yes. I believe in the power of positive thought. I can't see it as anything tangible before me, but it do see it manifest in the things I desire that have actually come to life, simply by believing and imagining it to be so.

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RE: Why Do You Believe In What You Can't See? - 10/14/2008 11:19:38 AM

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I can't remember if it was Nietzche or Marx that said, religion is for people that don't want to know the truth. That just about sums up my feelings about faith, it is for children. To believe there in an omnipotent omnipresent god is not only to believe in a logical impossibility but to believe a sociopathic paranoid scitzophrenic psycopath who likes to dabble in extreme sadism, is a god of love.

Impressionable children aren't that stupid.

Nietzsche disliked religion..because the church uses the power for other things. He said the church doesn't act like Jesus did in his days.
So I am not sure if he dislikes faith completely (jesus vs God thingy).

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Nietzsche also distinguished Christianity from the teachings of Jesus Christ. The message of the Christ was one of glad tidings, that heaven is to be found in how one lives. It is not by following the law, not through redemption from sin, but only through a benevolent disposition, which might best be summarized in the commandment to love one's neighbor as one's self. "The 'kingdom of Heaven' is a condition of the heart -- not sometihng that comes 'upon the earth' or 'after death'" (The Anti-Christ, section 34).

Christian doctrine, however, is little concerned with the glad tidings, Nietzsche went on. After the death of Jesus, it turned in the opposite direction, to become a religion of hatred. This began by Jesus's followers blaming the Jews for putting their leader to death. But it could not be the whole story, for God had to have permitted the event to occur. "And now an absurd problem came up: 'How could God have permitted that?' For this question the deranged reason of the little community found a downright terrifingly absurd anser: God gave his Son for the forgiveness of sins, as a sacrifice" (The Anti-Christ, section 41). Guilt, which played no part in the glad tidings of Jesus, took center stage once again. Nietzsche accused the disciples, Paul in particular, of having gone on to falsify the history of Christianity, for example by putting words of vengeance in the mouth of Jesus.

Which makes me wonder if Nietsche is a modern satanist.

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RE: Why Do You Believe In What You Can't See? - 10/14/2008 11:29:34 AM

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This I know is a Nietzche quote if I can remeber it rightly, a casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.

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RE: Why Do You Believe In What You Can't See? - 10/14/2008 11:32:14 AM

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lol
true but he sounds bitter also :P
still he is sure hat the words of Jesus were ok. (how could he know?)
At least he left us some good quotes

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RE: Why Do You Believe In What You Can't See? - 10/14/2008 11:41:56 AM

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I believe in a Creator because I notice that we are the only body rotating around a average star that has life. I believe it's highly possible that more life exists, but we haven't found it yet. I doubt we will find it in my lifetime. We really are lucky. Less than a few million miles away lays the planet, Venus. It is similar in size and composition to us. But it didn't make the grade. Life really is precious. It only takes a few million miles from a star to make it impossible It only takes a minor change in atmosphere to live. We are lucky, and we should remember that.

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RE: Why Do You Believe In What You Can't See? - 10/14/2008 11:44:20 AM

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Life really is precious.

Only to those that live it (on the other hand, it seems that life is bloody rare, that's unarguable).

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RE: Why Do You Believe In What You Can't See? - 10/14/2008 11:44:54 AM

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

I believe in a Creator because I notice that we are the only body rotating around a average star that has life. I believe it's highly possible that more life exists, but we haven't found it yet. I doubt we will find it in my lifetime. We really are lucky. Less than a few million miles away lays the planet, Venus. It is similar in size and composition to us. But it didn't make the grade. Life really is precious. It only takes a few million miles from a star to make it impossible It only takes a minor change in atmosphere to live. We are lucky, and we should remember that.

what makes us lucky?
would we have noticed if we didn't excist?

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RE: Why Do You Believe In What You Can't See? - 10/14/2008 11:53:01 AM

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Because it has not been proven to me that what one does not see does not exist.

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RE: Why Do You Believe In What You Can't See? - 10/14/2008 11:56:42 AM

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Two answers:

Kittin:

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Only to those that live it (on the other hand, it seems that life is bloody rare, that's unarguable).

Don't bring me down today, my dear. I am really in a stellar mood. (pun intended)

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what makes us lucky?
would we have noticed if we didn't excist?

I give you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FAcpGtJnvI

You can find Carl Sagan's "Pale Blue Dot" speech set to different musical scores. I just prefer this one.

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RE: Why Do You Believe In What You Can't See? - 10/14/2008 11:57:53 AM

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thank you :)
I will listen to it

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RE: Why Do You Believe In What You Can't See? - 10/14/2008 12:09:55 PM

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in my experience, i do believe in what i cannot see. i thank him every single day for being able to witness not one but two instances of his miraculous power. first time happened 8yrs ago when my oldest was hit by a train. she was suppose to die that sunny day in July. the second time happened a month ago when a bullet missed her head by 5 inches. i may not understand why he saw fit to let her live after cheating death twice however i'm eternally grateful she's still here.

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RE: Why Do You Believe In What You Can't See? - 10/14/2008 12:10:16 PM

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I believe in a Creator because I notice that we are the only body rotating around a average star that has life. I believe it's highly possible that more life exists, but we haven't found it yet. I doubt we will find it in my lifetime. We really are lucky. Less than a few million miles away lays the planet, Venus. It is similar in size and composition to us. But it didn't make the grade. Life really is precious. It only takes a few million miles from a star to make it impossible It only takes a minor change in atmosphere to live. We are lucky, and we should remember that.

If the speed of light is as fast as matter or energy can travel… then in an infinitely expanding universe the odds of ever hearing from or visiting another life form may be impossibly small. But common sense should tell us we are not alone…or special.

Some how to me that is depressing.

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RE: Why Do You Believe In What You Can't See? - 10/14/2008 12:30:19 PM

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If the speed of light is as fast as matter or energy can travel… then in an infinitely expanding universe the odds of ever hearing from or visiting another life form may be impossibly small. But common sense should tell us we are not alone…or special.

Some how to me that is depressing.

Butch

It doesn't depress , Butch. I am envious. I will not live to see us leave our solar system. I hope we learn to get along, and I hope we cooperate. I hope we start making ventures into the Jovian reaches of our realm when I am an old man. But I have no illusions about my fate. I will be an old man in a world of chaos or discovery. I hope for the latter.

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RE: Why Do You Believe In What You Can't See? - 10/14/2008 12:46:16 PM

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Chaos is what it takes for discovery...We had better find a way to colonise outside or solar system or we will eventually go the way of the Dinosaur.

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RE: Why Do You Believe In What You Can't See? - 10/14/2008 1:08:49 PM

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Was just sitting here wondering why
people believe in what they can't see?

What does this being do for them, what kind of purpose does it serve?

How has it changed your lives?

Always, knees

Billions of people believe in a Supreme Being or Power...Whether it's God, Allah..The Buddha...the Sun...whatever. For real believers it is a source of great strength knowing that their is "something" some great power that loves them, comforts them, gives them courage, motiviates them, inspires them, rewards them...and so much more.

"There are no athiests in fox holes" for a reason....sometimes who pray to a god to give you protection when
bodies are being blown up all around you. Most religions or beliefs, I think, are very basic in terms of their principles...to lead good, worthy lives, with charity to those less blessed than you are..etc. Sure, both sides in a war could have their religious beliefs, maybe even the same God, and many will point to the "horrors performed in the name of religion"!...On the other hand, many wonderful things have also been done, lives saved, children fed or adopted, orphans taken in and cared for, victims of land mines aided, starving people fed, and on and on helping to fulfil every human need.

What purpose does it serve? The question with respect to religious people is .."what purpose do I serve"...Hey, but I'm not very religious...just another sinner.

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RE: Why Do You Believe In What You Can't See? - 10/14/2008 1:21:33 PM

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Hey, but I'm not very religious...just another sinner.

I don't believe in sin.

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RE: Why Do You Believe In What You Can't See? - 10/14/2008 1:22:17 PM

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Because it has not been proven to me that what one does not see does not exist.

That's right!

I still set out milk and cookies for Santa every Christmas Eve.

Funny though, the presents stopped coming a few years back and I think Santa became diabetic and lactose intolerant.

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