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RE: Why Do You Believe In What You Can't See? - 10/14/2008 1:29:26 PM

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in my experience, i do believe in what i cannot see. i thank him every single day for being able to witness not one but two instances of his miraculous power. first time happened 8yrs ago when my oldest was hit by a train. she was suppose to die that sunny day in July. the second time happened a month ago when a bullet missed her head by 5 inches. i may not understand why he saw fit to let her live after cheating death twice however i'm eternally grateful she's still here.

How miraculous!

Might of been even more so if he hadn't let her get hit by the train in the first place.

Wait, don't tell me, let me guess. It's because he works in mysterious ways.

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RE: Why Do You Believe In What You Can't See? - 10/14/2008 1:33:56 PM

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in my experience, i do believe in what i cannot see. i thank him every single day for being able to witness not one but two instances of his miraculous power. first time happened 8yrs ago when my oldest was hit by a train. she was suppose to die that sunny day in July. the second time happened a month ago when a bullet missed her head by 5 inches. i may not understand why he saw fit to let her live after cheating death twice however i'm eternally grateful she's still here.

How miraculous!

Might of been even more so if he hadn't let her get hit by the train in the first place.

Wait, don't tell me, let me guess. It's because he works in mysterious ways.

Cheap humor about a mother who nearly lost her child. Nice, rule.

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RE: Why Do You Believe In What You Can't See? - 10/14/2008 1:52:05 PM

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Hey, but I'm not very religious...just another sinner.

I don't believe in sin.

Most of us sinners don't at the moment

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RE: Why Do You Believe In What You Can't See? - 10/14/2008 3:31:50 PM

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I can't see oxygen.
I can't see electricity.
I am not doing much without either of them am I?

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RE: Why Do You Believe In What You Can't See? - 10/14/2008 3:42:30 PM

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Look at electricity.. we can't see it... but we have it. Reality is created out of nothing. What about thoughts... everyone has them... can you see them? feel them?

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RE: Why Do You Believe In What You Can't See? - 10/14/2008 3:47:47 PM

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I can't see oxygen.

Cool it to -183 degrees Celsius and you will.

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I can't see electricity.

Sure you can. I'm sure you've seen lightning, or static jumping from your finger to another object.

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RE: Why Do You Believe In What You Can't See? - 10/14/2008 3:50:40 PM

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Was just sitting here wondering why
people believe in what they can't see?

Because we all need hope. Life can be anxious, fearful and downright brutish at times. God is the obvious abstract notion floating around in the human mind, but it's far from the only one. I mean, you have a board full of people searching for spiritual enrichment through the BDSM medium. Human illusion and fantasy are constants, though they manifest themselves in various guises. Even the most logical of people have a cause underpinned by intangibles.

Ultimately, the alternative is a far less attractive option.

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RE: Why Do You Believe In What You Can't See? - 10/14/2008 4:13:06 PM

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Seriously?

1. Because it's possible.

2. Because I can.

3. Because ignored dreams rot and decay within the soul to become bitterness projected outwards.

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RE: Why Do You Believe In What You Can't See? - 10/14/2008 4:22:49 PM

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I believe in electricity and radiation etc.

I see in many different ways but not in the way that will make me see a creative influence. The reason some people don't like the theory of evolution for example is because they fear that if beautiful things could come about in chaotic ways it would mean there was no grand plan and therefore no set point in life to learn. No reason to exist but for your very own reason. Some people would prefer to be told what life means rather than come up with their own ideas as to what it is all about. Having an idea is scary right? I mean we could be wrong.

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RE: Why Do You Believe In What You Can't See? - 10/14/2008 4:31:28 PM

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Sure you can. I'm sure you've seen lightning, or static jumping from your finger to another object.

Technically that is the electricity heating up the surrounding atmosphere rather than the electricity itself. For example I can see a coil of wire heat up in a light bulb but I can't see electrons flowing through the coil of wire.

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RE: Why Do You Believe In What You Can't See? - 10/14/2008 5:11:39 PM

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Cool it to -183 degrees Celsius and you will.

The cheap alternative to cooling oxygen to its boiling point to make it visible would be to submerge an oxygen tank in water and open the valve.

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RE: Why Do You Believe In What You Can't See? - 10/14/2008 5:39:35 PM

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Was just sitting here wondering why
people believe in what they can't see?

What does this being do for them, what kind of purpose does it serve?

How has it changed your lives?

Always, knees

I've always believed in what I can't see.

And it's been the entire premise of my success.

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RE: Why Do You Believe In What You Can't See? - 10/14/2008 6:00:05 PM

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Only in actions that apply to you and those you know...but you can't walk down the street and look at others and see love.

I see Love all the time.

Always, knees

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RE: Why Do You Believe In What You Can't See? - 10/14/2008 6:10:37 PM

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I can't remember if it was Nietzche or Marx that said, religion is for people that don't want to know the truth. That just about sums up my feelings about faith, it is for children. To believe there in an omnipotent omnipresent god is not only to believe in a logical impossibility but to believe a sociopathic paranoid scitzophrenic psycopath who likes to dabble in extreme sadism, is a god of love.

Impressionable children aren't that stupid.

I Believe in the Big Bang Theory.

God said Bang and there we are!

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RE: Why Do You Believe In What You Can't See? - 10/14/2008 6:54:13 PM

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Because it has not been proven to me that what one does not see does not exist.

That's right!

I still set out milk and cookies for Santa every Christmas Eve.

Funny though, the presents stopped coming a few years back and I think Santa became diabetic and lactose intolerant.

No, he told me you just piss him off ...

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RE: Why Do You Believe In What You Can't See? - 10/14/2008 9:56:22 PM

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Hey, but I'm not very religious...just another sinner.

I don't believe in sin.

Is Killing a Sin?

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RE: Why Do You Believe In What You Can't See? - 10/14/2008 10:40:37 PM

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in my experience, i do believe in what i cannot see. i thank him every single day for being able to witness not one but two instances of his miraculous power. first time happened 8yrs ago when my oldest was hit by a train. she was suppose to die that sunny day in July. the second time happened a month ago when a bullet missed her head by 5 inches. i may not understand why he saw fit to let her live after cheating death twice however i'm eternally grateful she's still here.

How miraculous!

Might of been even more so if he hadn't let her get hit by the train in the first place.

Wait, don't tell me, let me guess. It's because he works in mysterious ways.

Cheap humor about a mother who nearly lost her child. Nice, rule.

Indeed. Just wow. Pretty much the ugliest thing I've seen on these boards ever.

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RE: Why Do You Believe In What You Can't See? - 10/14/2008 11:17:07 PM

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Without some sort of belief we question.
When questions have no answer we can facilitate or dissect forever.

To steal a line from an old country song, "you've got to believe in something or you'll fall for anything".
I think whoever wrote that hit the nail on the head.

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RE: Why Do You Believe In What You Can't See? - 10/15/2008 4:02:56 AM

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Was just sitting here wondering why
people believe in what they can't see?

What does this being do for them, what kind of purpose does it serve?

How has it changed your lives?

Always, knees

I'm just wondering the older I get why people care if others believe that god exists, at all.

I mean, most people believe, we have higher purposes, and standards, than just to be mindless animals. God, Jesus, most religious figures, are an attempt (IMO), to put that concept into a physical form. There is no evidence, that there is a higher purpose, but nearly everyone believes things, without any reason

Most believe, children should be cared for. You could ask why, it doesn't really matter, there is no evidence, that life is important, and beyond that to be purely logical about it, we are overpopulated thus we should be encouraging death, not promoting others lives.

However, the concept of right to life, is very important to people, though it is just a belief, nothing more. It doesn't really exist, it's as absurd as a belief in god, to the atheist.

The idea of love, caring, and all emotions are illogical, and should be weighted as nothing, in a logical world, yet, we all believe they are important. They are simply because we all agree they are, but in cold reality they aren't. More beliefs in nothing.

Why do we believe slavery is wrong? Again, it's just a made up human concept, that if you believe it, you believe it based on other made up principles. Thus are as foolish, as any religious person could be believe in the supposed invisible man in the sky.

Actually, if anyone examines what they think, you'll find, unless you are a true sociopath, that almost our entire system we use day to day, is based on nothing more than group consensus, there are no facts, proving that slavery is wrong, we just agree it is thus it is. There are no facts that life is valuable, we just say its so and it is. There is no basis for all our principles we live by other than the illogic of emotion, or some made up premise we treat as fact.

Not much different than a belief in a god, that simply embodies these higher ideas in a physical form. I do think God, is a bit dated now, as he doesn't embody embody our modern idealized version of higher purpose anymore, like he used to, but that is all it's about, nothing more, in my mind.

Why do people want to believe in god? That's a really dumb question really, why wouldn't someone want to believe in an idealized being that embodies what we perceive to be perfection. It gives hope that we can be better than we are.

Now, do I believe in god, no, do I believe in higher purpose, sure. Am I going to act like I'm better than someone that believes in a physical god, that encompasses all our modern day beliefs of right and wrong. No, because it's not any more illogical really than believing in right and wrong to begin with.

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RE: Why Do You Believe In What You Can't See? - 10/15/2008 5:00:07 AM

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Is Killing a Sin?

Always, knees

more like a crime...sins are more emotions related..while crime is related to the law (mostly written nowadays)
for believers sins might be crimes...

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