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Sanity -> RE: Palin Rally Monkey (10/14/2008 3:32:38 PM)


It's dehumanizing, which is the same sort of behavior.

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

That's because comparing Bush to a monkey is a comic assessment of his intelligence level - it's not a racist commentary.




Politesub53 -> RE: Palin Rally Monkey (10/14/2008 3:32:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


I read that experimental airport scanners can pick up certain malicious brain wave patterns now. Perhaps the end to all these thought crimes is finally in our sights...


If only it were that simple. There is a world of difference between free speech and incitement to hatred.




kittinSol -> RE: Palin Rally Monkey (10/14/2008 3:33:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: stef

Makes you wonder if he's related to this mental defective.

~stef



Surely this guy is breaking some race hate laws Stef ?


What race hate laws [>:] ? The first amendment prevails over the prevention of incitement to racial hatred...




Politesub53 -> RE: Palin Rally Monkey (10/14/2008 3:34:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


It's dehumanizing, which is the same sort of behavior.

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

That's because comparing Bush to a monkey is a comic assessment of his intelligence level - it's not a racist commentary.



I fully agree, one behaviour is no less obnoxious than the other.




kittinSol -> RE: Palin Rally Monkey (10/14/2008 3:34:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


It's dehumanizing, which is the same sort of behavior.

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

That's because comparing Bush to a monkey is a comic assessment of his intelligence level - it's not a racist commentary.



Riiiiiiiiiiiiight...




slvemike4u -> RE: Palin Rally Monkey (10/14/2008 3:35:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

Nope, someone commented about "Where the pro-Obama fanatic videos were?" and I simply provided an explanation as to how they won't receive much priority or importance in a culture that sanctions and socially allows and justifies discrimination and racism towards white people that would result in outrage if directed towards a minority.

Now, being born white and into a family with no money and no political or buisness ties and connections, now that's a disadvantage.


Sorry Madrabbit,this is simply not true...there is no cultural sanction nor a social sanction on discrimination towards whites in American society....and to suggest this is rediculous
As far as being born poor and unconnected...that is and allways has been disadvantageous




Politesub53 -> RE: Palin Rally Monkey (10/14/2008 3:36:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

What race hate laws [>:] ? The first amendment prevails over the prevention of incitement to racial hatred...


It makes a farce of bringing in new laws then Kittin.




Sanity -> RE: Palin Rally Monkey (10/14/2008 3:38:04 PM)


"...incitement to hatred."

That could cover almost any substantive speech, couldn't it.

Even Bush-bashing.


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
If only it were that simple. There is a world of difference between free speech and incitement to hatred.




Raechard -> RE: Palin Rally Monkey (10/14/2008 3:42:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
Nope, someone commented about "Where the pro-Obama fanatic videos were?" and I simply provided an explanation as to how they won't receive much priority or importance in a culture that sanctions and socially allows and justifies discrimination and racism towards white people that would result in outrage if directed towards a minority.

Now, being born white and into a family with no money and no political or buisness ties and connections, now that's a disadvantage.

What you've never put African American on a form? You know they never check and if they prevented you on that basis you could claim discrimination of your declared non origin, worth a try. Here is the box tick 'other' code 99. Just because you are white it doesn't mean you are white to the people checking your whiteness in the office in the land far far away. You didn't tell the truth did you???[:D]

Mr Smith: "You are not black."
"No?"
Mr Smith: "Oh it's just you ticked African American on your Application form."
"Did I, oh the pen must have slipped, I was writing down hill[8|]?"
Mr Smith "Well we can't interview you because you are not black."
"You are saying you can't interview me because I am white? If so here is the number of my lawyer."




Politesub53 -> RE: Palin Rally Monkey (10/14/2008 3:42:59 PM)

Yes Sanity. I should have worded it racial hatred.




Sanity -> RE: Palin Rally Monkey (10/14/2008 4:08:48 PM)


Why just racial hatred, why on earth stop there.


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Yes Sanity. I should have worded it racial hatred.




Politesub53 -> RE: Palin Rally Monkey (10/14/2008 4:19:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Why just racial hatred, why on earth stop there.


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Yes Sanity. I should have worded it racial hatred.



Because the sign on the post i replied to was racist. What other forms of hatred do you have in mind ? The Bush monkey was obnoxious, but it wasnt aimed at a whole race.




MadRabbit -> RE: Palin Rally Monkey (10/14/2008 4:20:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
Sorry Madrabbit,this is simply not true...there is no cultural sanction nor a social sanction on discrimination towards whites in American society....and to suggest this is rediculous


Oh really? I guess it's almost as ridiculous and completely unsubstantiated as to assert that "white privilege" exists, but clearly that unfounded assertion isn't as ridiculous as my social observations.

But here...check all this out....

So when I was researching business grants, the ones that I found that provided money solely with the only qualifier as being a "disadvantaged" race were clearly fictitious?

The "disadvantaged races" included all the minorities. A shame for my poor white friends! They have all the disadvantages, but can't get anything for those disadvantages!

Look at this....

http://www.blackexcel.org/link4.htm

200 new scholarships that award money to people solely based on their race!

But what happens when someone tries to start a scholarship using the exact same logic and concept, but geared toward solely white people....

http://abcnews.go.com/us/story?id=2674267&page=1

Outrage! We can't give people money just for being white!

Watch comedy much? Name one white comedian who is even close to the level of usage of black racial stereotypes as Richard Pyror's, Carlos Mencia's, Dave Chapelle's, and Chris Rock's level of usage of white stereotypes.

Feel free to google "racial slurs" and attempt to compare the number of high profile, mainstream stories about "white people getting fired for racial slurs and discrimination" to the number of stories about "minorities getting fired for racial slurs about white people". If you in the first 5 google pages can provide and equal or greater amount of articles that focus their attention on punishment of minorities then the amount of articles that focus their attention on punishment of white people, I will repent my case and change my opinion.




MadRabbit -> RE: Palin Rally Monkey (10/14/2008 4:25:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Raechard

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
Nope, someone commented about "Where the pro-Obama fanatic videos were?" and I simply provided an explanation as to how they won't receive much priority or importance in a culture that sanctions and socially allows and justifies discrimination and racism toward white people that would result in outrage if directed toward a minority.

Now, being born white and into a family with no money and no political or business ties and connections, now that's a disadvantage.

What you've never put African American on a form? You know they never check and if they prevented you on that basis you could claim discrimination of your declared non origin, worth a try. Here is the box tick 'other' code 99. Just because you are white it doesn't mean you are white to the people checking your whiteness in the office in the land far far away. You didn't tell the truth did you???[:D]

Mr Smith: "You are not black."
"No?"
Mr Smith: "Oh it's just you ticked African American on your Application form."
"Did I, oh the pen must have slipped, I was writing down hill[8|]?"
Mr Smith "Well we can't interview you because you are not black."
"You are saying you can't interview me because I am white? If so here is the number of my lawyer."


My roommates told me to do this when applying to college, but my pesky integrity kept getting in the way.




Raechard -> RE: Palin Rally Monkey (10/14/2008 4:44:58 PM)

If you don’t believe in the legitimacy of the system then personal integrity should instruct you to oppose it in protest. Fear of consequences is something else altogether.




Sanity -> RE: Palin Rally Monkey (10/14/2008 4:56:17 PM)


Sexist, for one. I'm sure we as a society will come up with almost unlimited types of thought crimes, eventually. Religious thought, perhaps. Nationalism...




slvemike4u -> RE: Palin Rally Monkey (10/14/2008 5:23:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
Sorry Madrabbit,this is simply not true...there is no cultural sanction nor a social sanction on discrimination towards whites in American society....and to suggest this is rediculous


Oh really? I guess it's almost as ridiculous and completely unsubstantiated as to assert that "white privilege" exists, but clearly that unfounded assertion isn't as ridiculous as my social observations.

But here...check all this out....

So when I was researching business grants, the ones that I found that provided money solely with the only qualifier as being a "disadvantaged" race were clearly fictitious?

The "disadvantaged races" included all the minorities. A shame for my poor white friends! They have all the disadvantages, but can't get anything for those disadvantages!

Look at this....

http://www.blackexcel.org/link4.htm

200 new scholarships that award money to people solely based on their race!

But what happens when someone tries to start a scholarship using the exact same logic and concept, but geared toward solely white people....

http://abcnews.go.com/us/story?id=2674267&page=1

Outrage! We can't give people money just for being white!

Watch comedy much? Name one white comedian who is even close to the level of usage of black racial stereotypes as Richard Pyror's, Carlos Mencia's, Dave Chapelle's, and Chris Rock's level of usage of white stereotypes.

Feel free to google "racial slurs" and attempt to compare the number of high profile, mainstream stories about "white people getting fired for racial slurs and discrimination" to the number of stories about "minorities getting fired for racial slurs about white people". If you in the first 5 google pages can provide and equal or greater amount of articles that focus their attention on punishment of minorities then the amount of articles that focus their attention on punishment of white people, I will repent my case and change my opinion.

So because there are programs in place,specifically to address past injustices and penalties in place again to address past inequities you have concluded you are somehow disadvantaged....it would seem you have given this a lot of thought....I'll tell you what,when you can honestly say you wouldn't mind being black in this country,and please remember you would than be elligible for all those wonderful entitlement programs...get back to me and we can talk.
As far as black comedians using racial epitaths,I for one deplore that practice....in most instances it is a cheap and easy path to laughs...but it is self depracating and as such should stop.




MadRabbit -> RE: Palin Rally Monkey (10/14/2008 5:32:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
So because there are programs in place,specifically to address past injustices and penalties in place again to address past inequities you have concluded you are somehow disadvantaged....it would seem you have given this a lot of thought....I'll tell you what,when you can honestly say you wouldn't mind being black in this country,and please remember you would than be elligible for all those wonderful entitlement programs...get back to me and we can talk.
As far as black comedians using racial epitaths,I for one deplore that practice....in most instances it is a cheap and easy path to laughs...but it is self depracating and as such should stop.


The price of tea in China.

Don't argue that inequalities in our system and society regarding discrimination towards white people don't exist, then when I prove such inequalities exist, argue that the inequalities are justified.

You didn't ask whether I thought they were justified or not. You told me they don't exist. That's a completely different topic.

Denying someone something because of their race is called "racial discrimination". Except when an organization denies white people, who are just as much the need, the benefits based on their race, it changes from "racial discrimination" to "balancing out injustices".

I proved the social discrimination.

You just proved the cultural sanction of those social discriminations.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Palin Rally Monkey (10/14/2008 5:35:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MistresseLotus

This does more to confirm I made the right choice with my vote than any speech or debate ever could or will.


Mine as well....however...I won't be voting.

I haven't since Gore "lost".

I'm a devout Republican (who, by the way....did NOT vote for George either of the 2 times he ran)....

I was sick after George won the first go around....Gore won...and as bad as that sat for me (see above)....he won.

Gore...won.

Simple stuff...

You and I voted...(we) voted for Gore...he was the one the American public wanted....

I was good with that.  I've always been good with that.  That's the way it's (supposed) to work.

But the electoral college ran the show.  As I (errently) discovered 8 years ago it always has.

As it will this go around.

Polls suggest that most folks think Obama has it sewed up.  Indeed...the electoral college shows him barely 10 votes shy.  Ironically, when the same polls ask "who are you going to vote for?"...the answer is McCain.

All Obama has to do is win one state...and he's the guy.

No matter what the fuck you think...no matter how the fuck you vote.

Some will find that fabulous.

I don't.

I used to think my vote mattered.

It never has...it didn't in 2000...and it won't this go around either.

(And yeah...I know...that eliminates my right to bitch....I ain't bitching.  I'm just saying....your vote may matter....I simply gave up believing mine did).




rexrgisformidoni -> RE: Palin Rally Monkey (10/14/2008 5:45:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

quote:

ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
Sorry Madrabbit,this is simply not true...there is no cultural sanction nor a social sanction on discrimination towards whites in American society....and to suggest this is rediculous


Oh really? I guess it's almost as ridiculous and completely unsubstantiated as to assert that "white privilege" exists, but clearly that unfounded assertion isn't as ridiculous as my social observations.

But here...check all this out....

So when I was researching business grants, the ones that I found that provided money solely with the only qualifier as being a "disadvantaged" race were clearly fictitious?

The "disadvantaged races" included all the minorities. A shame for my poor white friends! They have all the disadvantages, but can't get anything for those disadvantages!

Look at this....

http://www.blackexcel.org/link4.htm

200 new scholarships that award money to people solely based on their race!

But what happens when someone tries to start a scholarship using the exact same logic and concept, but geared toward solely white people....

http://abcnews.go.com/us/story?id=2674267&page=1

Outrage! We can't give people money just for being white!

Watch comedy much? Name one white comedian who is even close to the level of usage of black racial stereotypes as Richard Pyror's, Carlos Mencia's, Dave Chapelle's, and Chris Rock's level of usage of white stereotypes.

Feel free to google "racial slurs" and attempt to compare the number of high profile, mainstream stories about "white people getting fired for racial slurs and discrimination" to the number of stories about "minorities getting fired for racial slurs about white people". If you in the first 5 google pages can provide and equal or greater amount of articles that focus their attention on punishment of minorities then the amount of articles that focus their attention on punishment of white people, I will repent my case and change my opinion.

So because there are programs in place,specifically to address past injustices and penalties in place again to address past inequities you have concluded you are somehow disadvantaged....it would seem you have given this a lot of thought....I'll tell you what,when you can honestly say you wouldn't mind being black in this country,and please remember you would than be elligible for all those wonderful entitlement programs...get back to me and we can talk.
As far as black comedians using racial epitaths,I for one deplore that practice....in most instances it is a cheap and easy path to laughs...but it is self depracating and as such should stop.



I am with rabbit on this one. Past injustice. PAST. Get the fuck over it, I didn't do anything to anyone. I've been denied things based on my white maleness, and thats a damn injustice.




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