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candystripper -> CBS says Obama leads McCain by 14 points (10/14/2008 3:37:34 PM)
Listening to the evening news, CBS announces its poll that Obama is 14 points ahead of McCain in the race at this point. Will the debate tomorrow night affect this very much? candystripper [sm=pole.gif]

slvemike4u -> RE: CBS says Obama leads McCain by 14 points (10/14/2008 3:51:38 PM)
At this point it would appear McCain must WIN the debate and do so in an overly convincing fashion...which in an of itself is a problem for him,in trying to win he must take chances ,he must attack and perhaps offer yet another plan to deal with the economic recession we are in...and therein lies the danger.In trying to win and doing the things he will need to do to win....he risks looking desperate and could fall further behind.It is akin to the 2 minute offence in football...beautiful when it works stick a fork in you when it doesn't.

corysub -> RE: CBS says Obama leads McCain by 14 points (10/14/2008 3:55:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: candystripper Listening to the evening news, CBS announces its poll that Obama is 14 points ahead of McCain in the race at this point. Will the debate tomorrow night affect this very much? candystripper [sm=pole.gif] If you put a tooth under your pillow, a beautiful winged fairy will exchange it for money!...Sleep well honey.. Polls are a wonderful.....filler in between commercials on TV. I find it informative to go back and review the "Polls"...and the lack of accuracy...almost until the day the public actually votes. I can't remember the last time a Presidential race was decided by 14 points...and would bet the ranch that this race will be not only close, there is a possibility that the old man who has served his country for decades could be our next President. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/nh/new_hampshire_democratic_primary-194.html

slvemike4u -> RE: CBS says Obama leads McCain by 14 points (10/14/2008 4:22:49 PM)
Well of course Cory,being there are two major partys and the old man you speak of is the candidate for one of them......there is indeed a chance he could be our next Presient,it is at this point a slim chance..but a chance all the same.

corysub -> RE: CBS says Obama leads McCain by 14 points (10/14/2008 5:29:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Well of course Cory,being there are two major partys and the old man you speak of is the candidate for one of them......there is indeed a chance he could be our next Presient,it is at this point a slim chance..but a chance all the same. We have been there before....Something about the American spirit that comes to the surface when times are most difficult...God bless America! These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman... Thomas Paine, The American Crisis

dcnovice -> RE: CBS says Obama leads McCain by 14 points (10/14/2008 6:24:13 PM)
Here's a link to the CBS story.

slvemike4u -> RE: CBS says Obama leads McCain by 14 points (10/14/2008 6:51:15 PM)
Cory,care to explain the Paine quote,though familiar with the quote since grade school I don't see the connection here.

PlayfulOne -> RE: CBS says Obama leads McCain by 14 points (10/14/2008 7:12:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: corysub quote: ORIGINAL: candystripper Listening to the evening news, CBS announces its poll that Obama is 14 points ahead of McCain in the race at this point. Will the debate tomorrow night affect this very much? candystripper [sm=pole.gif] If you put a tooth under your pillow, a beautiful winged fairy will exchange it for money!...Sleep well honey.. Polls are a wonderful.....filler in between commercials on TV. I find it informative to go back and review the "Polls"...and the lack of accuracy...almost until the day the public actually votes. I can't remember the last time a Presidential race was decided by 14 points...and would bet the ranch that this race will be not only close, there is a possibility that the old man who has served his country for decades could be our next President. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/nh/new_hampshire_democratic_primary-194.html Here ya go 1996 9 points 1988 9 points 1984 18 points 1980 9 points 1972 23 points 1964 23 points History is a wonderful thing. K

bipolarber -> RE: CBS says Obama leads McCain by 14 points (10/14/2008 8:02:24 PM)
Polls, like most statistics, can be manipulated to show pretty much anything that someone wants. However, it's obvious that the players in the game believe it, or at least McCain's managers believe it. All the moves they've been making of late scream "we're losing!" The desperate use of character attacks, the grandstanding throughout the economic crisis, the changing of positions almost daily... McCain knows he's trailing...badly... and he's getting desperate. I have little doubt that in the debate on Wed. night, he will be moved to bring up some of the same BS he and Palin have been relying on since he crashed his numbers with the "campaign suspension" stunt. (Thank you, David Letterman, for focusing America's suspicion about that political "hail Mary!" so well.) If that is the case, if McCain intends to decry Obama is "a terrorist pal," then all Obama has to do to counter is remain, as he has throughout the election cycle, calm cool and collected. He'll come off as presidential as always, while McCain will cast himself as a Jim Crow style fanatic. The level of desperate frustration felt by McCain, quite noticable in the last debate, will rise to levels where coranary infarction may become a problem. I hope they have a nurse standing by in the lobby (Like in the old William Castle movies, such as 13 Ghosts, House on Haunted Hill, or The Tingler) in case McCain finds himself worked into a full-on coniption. I can imagine the scene: McCain: "The Terrorist is loose in this very theatre! Your only hope is to scream! Scream for your very lives! Scream!!!" (At which point, Sara Palin presses a button backstage, and the cattle prods installed in the audiance's seats go off.) At which point, the camera cuts to Obama, standing there, tall, stoic, like fuckin' Mr. Spock... and he gets on with discussing the issue at hand.

awmslave -> RE: CBS says Obama leads McCain by 14 points (10/14/2008 8:29:08 PM)
Obama is obviously ahead. However, regarding the poll (exact methodology was not given) as democrat supporters run the polling one is left to wonder just how much the Oba numbers are inflated.

Hippiekinkster -> RE: CBS says Obama leads McCain by 14 points (10/14/2008 8:32:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: awmslave Obama is obviously ahead. However, regarding the poll (exact methodology was not given) as democrat supporters run the polling one is left to wonder just how much the Oba numbers are inflated. Do you have any proof of your partisan assertion?

slvemike4u -> RE: CBS says Obama leads McCain by 14 points (10/14/2008 8:34:32 PM)
Democrat supporters run the polling?

bluepanda -> RE: CBS says Obama leads McCain by 14 points (10/14/2008 8:58:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Democrat supporters run the polling? Oh. Well, that would explain it then.

Sanity -> RE: CBS says Obama leads McCain by 14 points (10/14/2008 8:58:42 PM)
Practically all the other polls shows the race as being much closer, and I doubt it's a coincidence that the NYT and CBS are two of the farthest left mainstream "news" sources that there are in these United States. quote: ORIGINAL: awmslave Obama is obviously ahead. However, regarding the poll (exact methodology was not given) as democrat supporters run the polling one is left to wonder just how much the Oba numbers are inflated.

slvemike4u -> RE: CBS says Obama leads McCain by 14 points (10/14/2008 9:07:11 PM)
Right sanity the Old Grey Lady is a secret left wing Democratic mouthpiece....

moonvine -> RE: CBS says Obama leads McCain by 14 points (10/14/2008 9:53:32 PM)
I like these polls better (and not just because they have my candidate in the lead) but because they are WAY more thorough: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

corysub -> RE: CBS says Obama leads McCain by 14 points (10/15/2008 12:33:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Cory,care to explain the Paine quote,though familiar with the quote since grade school I don't see the connection here. Sure Mike...from my perspective of this current environment and Presidential election, we are going through one of the most trying times in American history since the revolution. The public holds the government in low esteem with around 30% popularity for Bush and almost a "hat sized" 10% for a totally dysfunctional Congress, and the economy and financial system of the country is on the brink of "no one knows what for sure" but it ain't good. Into the mix we we throw in a charismatic, albeit inexperienced politician, who is capitalizing beautifully on the angst of he public and need for "change"...I look at the background of this man and only see two memoirs but not much else in terms of legislative accomplishment. I look at the far left leanings of the man and see the direction of the country with an Obama administration and Pelosi/Reid Congress as a pathway towards the end of an America that offered the pursuit of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness to a a government that has ALL the answers for what is best for us, whethe we want their intrusion into our lives, from healthcare to destroying the mom and pop businesses with a minimum wage that he wants to raise from $7.25 to over $9.00/hour in 2011. Most of the businesses around me are hanging on by a thread, the sharp escallation in the minimum wage has forced me to pay 15 and 16 year old kids, most in their first jobs, money not only not earned because of their lack of experience, but has forced me to raise kids who have worked for me over the past couple of years to $9 and more just in fairness. Obama could care less about the fact that I hired almost a third less kids this year because of the confiscatory impact of what I have been "mandated" to pay kids. The unintended consequences of trying to give aid to people raising families at minimum wage levels, is that people will go out of business, and jobs will disappear. With no track record of accomplishment,, with no meaningful legislation proposed, we are forced to judge this man and his "judgement" importantly on the circle of friends cultivated over the years...felons, terrorists, nutcase Ministers, groups that have an agenda and record of intimidation and fraud to accomplish the "American Dream"... The man has been running for Presidential Office for two years, about half the time of his "first" Senate term...and has never been as vetted for this office by the press as much as Sarah Palin, for example, where within days of her nomination, dozens of reporters were sent up to Alaska to dig, question, interview, and report back on everything this woman has done since puberty. I doubt most of his supporters here have any clue other than the word "change" on the button they wear so proudly just what Obama did in the Illinois Senate...Has anyone seen any investigation, until now? Hopefully, there is still time to peel the onion of this mystery man who would lead us but is mostly known by the speeches given and not his actions taken. “What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be.” Barack Obama...sound familiar? No...quote from Sol Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals".. *Mike, This may be the "second coming" for millions of people...for me..these are the times that try mens souls!* Obama: Minimum Wage - http://www.suntimes.com/news/watchdogs/1184049,CST-NWS-watchdog25.article Obama attacks McCain's physical handicap: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=679_1221236712 (For those that might care, McCain can't raise his arms due to the physical injury received in VietNam prison. Chicago Sun Times: Investigation of possible misuse of $100,000 grant: http://www.suntimes.com/news/watchdogs/1184049,CST-NWS-watchdog25.article ACORN To many stories on ACORN and it's practices to link...just google and you can write a thesis on "Community Activism" Alinsky style. The ends justify the means.... http://www.nypost.com/seven/10142008/news/politics/bogus_voter_booted_amid_probe_of_acorn_133540.htm

LadyEllen -> RE: CBS says Obama leads McCain by 14 points (10/15/2008 1:44:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Democrat supporters run the polling? duh! Well yeah - they're the only ones that might be interested in what the public thinks and wants! The other lot seem to be telling the public what it thinks and wants. I will quite frankly be amazed (and somewhat suspicious) if McCain wins now. This period has all the feel of 1997 in the UK, (and it can be sensed from here), a time when everyone was sick and tired of the Tories and "change" was in the air. There was a landslide victory for Blair and New Labour - someone with a history not too dissimilar to Obama and a presentation not too dissimilar too. Whilst the Tories seemed to be telling us what we wanted, New Labour had spent a lot of time and money on marketing itself to fit perceived public wants. For good or for bad, the Tories couldnt have won that election, and there could only be one outcome for them - near annihilation. This was a good thing since their party had become utterly discredited and riven with internal conflict, but above that it had become complacent; 11 years on they have rebuilt and come back to the platform with something apparently more widely acceptable - though again its notable that their leader is another relatively inexperienced young man whose presentation outdoes his accomplishments, and it is New Labour that is now discredited and disunited. Oppositions rarely win elections. It is usually governing parties that lose them through complacency. E

BitaTruble -> RE: CBS says Obama leads McCain by 14 points (10/15/2008 3:04:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: corysub “What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be.” Barack Obama...sound familiar? No...quote from Sol Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals".. You've stated in several posts that Saul Alinsky was a mentor for Obama. Saul Alinsky died in 1972 when Obama was 11. Media Matters The Facts: Obama is not a Marxist. Alinsky, who gained renown helping meatpackers organize for safe working conditions and developed an influential methodology of activism, was not a communist, and considered himself squarely within Judeo-Christian and democratic political traditions. Obama was not a disciple of Alinsky, who died long before Obama began his community organizing work. Obama did admire "Alinsky's appeal for small-d democracy but came to believe that social progress is best achieved by working within the political system, and on a national scale." During his years working for the Developing Communities Project in Chicago, Obama embraced Alinsky's method of lengthy face-to-face conversations to elicit people's stories, goals, and ambitions and then leading them to action. He used it to negotiate among residents, church leaders, and politicians to build and lead various grassroots groups that worked for playgrounds, better trash pickup, and asbestos removal. But Obama rejected Alinsky's confrontational tactics in favor of reconciliation and unity. quote: Obama: Minimum Wage - http://www.suntimes.com/news/watchdogs/1184049,CST-NWS-watchdog25.article The link you provided goes to the Englewood article, not a minimum wage article. McCain offers $50 an hour to pick lettuce quote: Obama attacks McCain's physical handicap: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=679_1221236712 (For those that might care, McCain can't raise his arms due to the physical injury received in VietNam prison. No where in that clip is there any mockery of McCain's physical handicap. quote: Chicago Sun Times: Investigation of possible misuse of $100,000 grant: http://www.suntimes.com/news/watchdogs/1184049,CST-NWS-watchdog25.article From that same article. "Madigan's office has notified Obama's presidential campaign of the probe, which was launched this week. But Obama's actions in awarding the money are not a focus of the investigation, Smith said." quote: ACORN To many stories on ACORN and it's practices to link...just google and you can write a thesis on "Community Activism" Alinsky style. The ends justify the means.... http://www.nypost.com/seven/10142008/news/politics/bogus_voter_booted_amid_probe_of_acorn_133540.htm What, exactly, has Obama done which is illegal or unethical with regard to ACORN? Which laws has he broken? Any? Any at all? Any findings of ethics violations against Obama ever? How about McCain or Palin? They ever get a slap on the wrist regarding ethics?

LaTigresse -> RE: CBS says Obama leads McCain by 14 points (10/15/2008 4:01:08 AM)
Celeste, if I ever run for office I want you on my side. You are the bomb when it comes to fact finding.

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